What - The - Fuck

[Anthrax Invasion]

Okay, seriously, what's with all these inane threads? People are SO fucking lazy.

DO SOME GOD DAMN RESEARCH YOU RETARDS!

Stop asking "oh, is this program what I'm looking for?", "are these programs the same?", "how's my diet lololzol!?24?", and "HOW DO U TRAIN!?!"

I'm SICK of this SHIT. Can't we wipe this board clean of all this fucking garbage? How can people be SO lazy? I mean once in awhile, sure, I can understand it. This isn't once in awhile though, it's all the god damned fucking time. This is driving me insane.

Here are a few examples of threads pissing me off:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489999
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489573
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489578
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27072
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489753
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=482897
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=488395

To add, anything posted by Jkurz:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1625518

Then this crap:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489927

Should you stay away all together? I DON'T FUCKING KNOW! IT'S YOUR CHOICE YOU STUPID FUCK!!

WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS THAT ONLY THEY HAVE THE ANSWERS TO!? WE'RE NOT YOU! I CAN SUCK IT UP AND NOT BE A FUCKING BLUBBERING VAGINA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN - AND I DON'T FUCKING CARE!.

Let's make a new board and only allow the best of us on there...or at least have a mod delete these ridiculous fucking threads. All the info people need/want is already out there. It's been organized PRETTY FUCKING WELL ALREADY!

Why won't this cycle just DIE!?

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

I was going to give myself Karma for that awesome rant, but it won't let me.

 

[fallingeggs]

I know there is enough information on this bored to answer any question one might have when starting a diet or workout. This is because I came here knowing pretty much nothing, I looked at nearly the whole forum and now I know.
Do not be lazy, learn for your self by reading and if you still some how have an intelligent question then ask – people do not get pissed at intelligent questions.

I got you some K AI.

 

[TheOak84]

jeez, y was i on there...

 

[Cynical Simian]

Why won't this cycle just DIE!?

'Cause this forum doesn't have any mods. I'm all for the open exchange of information and people asking well-intentioned (if sometimes basic) questions. However, if somebody is just blatantly lazy/stupid and starts a thread with a question that could be answered by basic operation of the sticky, google, or that lovely device in his head, the thread shouldn't be wasting space on this board.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

'Cause this forum doesn't have any mods. I'm all for the open exchange of information and people asking well-intentioned (if sometimes basic) questions. However, if somebody is just blatantly lazy/stupid and starts a thread with a question that could be answered by basic operation of the sticky, google, or that lovely device in his head, the thread shouldn't be wasting space on this board.

Agreed.

 

[imdave0182]

Hey man, if you start a board shoot me a PM. I'll keep lurking. Props on the rant though, it is fucking annoying.

 

[velvett]

'Cause this forum doesn't have any mods. I'm all for the open exchange of information and people asking well-intentioned (if sometimes basic) questions. However, if somebody is just blatantly lazy/stupid and starts a thread with a question that could be answered by basic operation of the sticky, google, or that lovely device in his head, the thread shouldn't be wasting space on this board.

Not really.
If you delete threads - people will complain.
See the AS and CC forums.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

Not really.
If you delete threads - people will complain.
See the AS and CC forums.

Let them complain then. Some threads shouldn't exist. They're a waste of resources and damaging to my eyesight.

Velvett, weren't you one of the people who lived out on LI?

 

[blut wump]

We have people complaining already.

 

[velvett]

Let them complain then. Some threads shouldn't exist. They're a waste of resources and damaging to my eyesight.

Velvett, weren't you one of the people who lived out on LI?

I'm on the fence - GOD I miss the Spatts dayz...
On the one hand you don't want to drive away people who need help and on the other hand you don't want drive away the people that make the board.

I'm open to ideas - I'm sure most mods and perhaps admin too.
Seriously.

Yep I am - near THE END

 

[Cynical Simian]

Not really.
If you delete threads - people will complain.
See the AS and CC forums.

That's what the second and third sentences of my post were intended to address. Locking threads (with explanatory notes) wouldn't/shouldn't be a frequent practice.

What's basic information for people here might be new for others, and this forum is very good about answering people's questions and working with them. But what AI is (IMO justifiably) complaining about is the threads that, to paraphrase BiggT from another thread, "aren't violations of forum rules but are violations of common sense".

 

[Cynical Simian]

Just saw the meta-sticky...interesting.

 

[blut wump]

Is this to keep us going until we get a mod or is the new sticky in lieu of our own mod?

Thanks either way, although we know that no-one reads stickies unless pointed at them.

 

[theprofessor]

oh.. what the fuck is this shit ...what a fucking moron... how could anyone not know how to do these... we should just delete this shit... anyone could look this shit up on their own
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489359
...this dumbass should go fucking kill themselves their so stupid to not know how to look this up...













get a life

 

[BiggT]

AI, Dude, you never told me whether or not 50 Cent is juicing, JEEZE.....all I want is a simple yes or no.

PS

If it isn't too much trouble, can you get me Brad Pitt's routine and AAS cycle from Fight Club....Thank$$

 

[dolf215]

you think it's bad here?? try the my cycle and anabolics forums!!! nobody wants to man up and inject. it's always " i wanna do a d-bol only cycle, or should i stack it with winny "... or i wanna take winny to get cut up for summer. i think alot of people really just need to worry about their diet and training. and the age of gear users is getting rediculous.

 

[enigma4dub]

AI, Dude, you never told me whether or not 50 Cent is juicing, JEEZE.....all I want is a simple yes or no.

PS

If it isn't too much trouble, can you get me Brad Pitt's routine and AAS cycle from Fight Club....Thank$$

now thats funny.

 

[big4life]

It's a double edge sword. You get tired of the same questions over and over, but you also have to understand that what you see as a repetitive question is really just someone looking for information. Yeah, it would be better if they would read through the stickies first, but the word patience is not in most people's vocabulary.


I look at it like this, if someone makes the effort to come here for advice, I think we should offer help. If people actually start helping each other, maybe the training board will grow stronger. Besides, we all can learn from each other, even from the newest member.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

It's a double edge sword. You get tired of the same questions over and over, but you also have to understand that what you see as a repetitive question is really just someone looking for information. Yeah, it would be better if they would read through the stickies first, but the word patience is not in most people's vocabulary.


I look at it like this, if someone makes the effort to come here for advice, I think we should offer help. If people actually start helping each other, maybe the training board will grow stronger. Besides, we all can learn from each other, even from the newest member.

Optimism at its finest.

True to a degree, but half the time people will learn what they want and then flee - they're not in it to help others.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

oh.. what the fuck is this shit ...what a fucking moron... how could anyone not know how to do these... we should just delete this shit... anyone could look this shit up on their own
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489359
...this dumbass should go fucking kill themselves their so stupid to not know how to look this up...
get a life

There are a variety of ways the movements can be done, but you wouldn't know anything about that would you, douche bag?

"should kill themselves"? What the fuck?

"their so stupid"? That's fucking irony for you. Nice try, asshat.

I'm against life in any way, shape, or form. Sorry.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

I'm on the fence - GOD I miss the Spatts dayz...
On the one hand you don't want to drive away people who need help and on the other hand you don't want drive away the people that make the board.

I'm open to ideas - I'm sure most mods and perhaps admin too.
Seriously.

Yep I am - near THE END

Spatts was a cool chick. I've already mentioned tons of the people I miss talking to. Suston, Jeremys, B Fold, Louden Swain, Polish Hammer, and especially Debaser - he was a riot. Casualbb and guldukat are still around, but rarely post. All knowledgable people.

You don't seem to post here much, why now?

I'm not suggesting we drive people away, unless they ask something that has the answer in the thread above, titled the same as the question the person is about to ask. Common sense is sorely lacking.

Idea? I can be a mod. How many times do I have to pimp this?

Montauk? I randomly drove out there with people one time. It was a spur of the moment thing. Sucked getting lost, though. Everything's so dead out there at 2-3 AM.

Oh by the way - make the search function a non-plat thing. That's such a dumb fucking limitation. Tell George to quit trying to milk people and to at least let them search the TRAINING boards, if nothing else, for free. It would help SO much.

Plus, we can look up my old posts - you know, when I was less perfect than I am now.

 

[Island Son]

lots of people are looking for the quick fix
but the only way to learn is to research everything, see what works for you, then refine it and research again, it never stops!

but of course the people who need to, aren't reading this either!!

 

[Island Son]

I'm on the fence - GOD I miss the Spatts dayz...
On the one hand you don't want to drive away people who need help and on the other hand you don't want drive away the people that make the board.

I'm open to ideas - I'm sure most mods and perhaps admin too.
Seriously.

Yep I am - near THE END

Liberal use of thread locking powers (with explanation of course)

Make the stickies text red on the main page. better yet put them into a separate little box on top with a little whitespace between them and the "regular" threads, they'll draw more attention when visually separate.

 

[oso0690]

Liberal use of thread locking powers (with explanation of course)

Make the stickies text red on the main page. better yet put them into a separate little box on top with a little whitespace between them and the "regular" threads, they'll draw more attention when visually separate.

I doubt they'll still read them even with all that attention on them. Some of them want the answer to something answered many times in the stickies then and there because they're lazy to go and read them. it gets answered, and away they go to never return.

 

[theprofessor]

There are a variety of ways the movements can be done, but you wouldn't know anything about that would you, douche bag?

"should kill themselves"? What the fuck?

"their so stupid"? That's fucking irony for you. Nice try, asshat.

I'm against life in any way, shape, or form. Sorry.

AI, you are an ass in 90% of your posts... that dosnt help anyone... and is just as much a waste of board space...
people come here to learn and all you do it turn them away with insults... you are no more than a punk kid, and you need to be put in your place...
show some damn class...

 

[Protobuilder]

people come here to learn

Not necessarily, professor. A lot of questions / posts here are just dumbasses killing time . . . they're surfing the C&C or the AAS forums, or just came in from BB.com, and "poof!" something pops into their little heads and before they process it or think it through, they write up a new post . . . they don't really care what the answers are, and in 30 minutes, they'll have forgotten all about it and go back to flirting w/ chixx on myspace. There are questions, and then there are questions.

 

[theprofessor]

Not necessarily, professor. A lot of questions / posts here are just dumbasses killing time . . . they're surfing the C&C or the AAS forums, or just came in from BB.com, and "poof!" something pops into their little heads and before they process it or think it through, they write up a new post . . . they don't really care what the answers are, and in 30 minutes, they'll have forgotten all about it and go back to flirting w/ chixx on myspace. There are questions, and then there are questions.

regardless.. he is way out of line, telling people to go die and calling them niggers, etc... that is beyond uncalled for...

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

regardless.. he is way out of line, telling people to go die and calling them niggers, etc... that is beyond uncalled for...

Go die, you nigger.

Like I give a fuck what you say or think? Punk kid? Put me in my place then, bitch. I dare you to fucking come where I live, try and fuck me up. Show me how to respect other people, why don'tcha?

 

[carlsuen]

y not get a FAQ sticky up? that then title it :

"FAQ's: if you have a question, look here first before u ask"

or something like that.. but someone plat has to go seach up all those great threads and posts..

 

[theprofessor]

i think ive proved my point...

 

[velvett]

Spatts was a cool chick. I've already mentioned tons of the people I miss talking to. Suston, Jeremys, B Fold, Louden Swain, Polish Hammer, and especially Debaser - he was a riot. Casualbb and guldukat are still around, but rarely post. All knowledgable people.

You don't seem to post here much, why now?

I'm not suggesting we drive people away, unless they ask something that has the answer in the thread above, titled the same as the question the person is about to ask. Common sense is sorely lacking.

Idea? I can be a mod. How many times do I have to pimp this?

Montauk? I randomly drove out there with people one time. It was a spur of the moment thing. Sucked getting lost, though. Everything's so dead out there at 2-3 AM.

Oh by the way - make the search function a non-plat thing. That's such a dumb fucking limitation. Tell George to quit trying to milk people and to at least let them search the TRAINING boards, if nothing else, for free. It would help SO much.

Plus, we can look up my old posts - you know, when I was less perfect than I am now.

Eh, just because I don't post a lot doesn't mean I don't observe - I watch what's goin on in diet, womens, weight, sometime AS and unfortunately chat but I'm not posting a whole heck of a lot lately - life happens. Sometimes I just PM ...

You're (and others) commenting on people and kind of, if you don't mind me saying, blaming the board in a way as to the behavior of others that you don't approve. I mean I get it and I agree with a lot of it but Island Son is right people just want the quick fix - they don't want to figure out how to learn to achieve their goals they just want it done is a small little package they can print out and never really "get".

Like getting to the top of the mountain without doing the 6 hour climb.

Yah - the non plat search function is rough - can't argue that.

I'm not as far out as Montauk but pretty close - it's a very different life from the city but I have no regrets for the change.

 

[velvett]

Also, I think when the WESTside crew was here or the clicks that trained together (NYTC) it created a different community and a lot of people were more afraid to post up question that they thought those posting would think was stupid so they lurked first and asked questions later.

 

[H_T_]

lmao.

 

[velvett]

you think it's bad here?? try the my cycle and anabolics forums!!! nobody wants to man up and inject. it's always " i wanna do a d-bol only cycle, or should i stack it with winny "... or i wanna take winny to get cut up for summer. i think alot of people really just need to worry about their diet and training. and the age of gear users is getting rediculous.

So are you trying to say you can't drink winny? or what?

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

Eh, just because I don't post a lot doesn't mean I don't observe - I watch what's goin on in diet, womens, weight, sometime AS and unfortunately chat but I'm not posting a whole heck of a lot lately - life happens. Sometimes I just PM ...

You're (and others) commenting on people and kind of, if you don't mind me saying, blaming the board in a way as to the behavior of others that you don't approve. I mean I get it and I agree with a lot of it but Island Son is right people just want the quick fix - they don't want to figure out how to learn to achieve their goals they just want it done is a small little package they can print out and never really "get".

Like getting to the top of the mountain without doing the 6 hour climb.

Yah - the non plat search function is rough - can't argue that.

I'm not as far out as Montauk but pretty close - it's a very different life from the city but I have no regrets for the change.

I'm in the middle of the island or so - Old Bethpage/Plainview/Hicksville. What town are you in?

Yes, people are lazy. They won't accept that the answer isn't an easy one. It takes some hard work.

But to be honest, none too hard once you get into it. Cutting down with UD2.0 is a godsend to me - all the foods I eat, I love.

And bulking up? Either use an intelligent approach and take advantage of physiological occurrances (ala UD.20 mass variant) to gain LBM without fat (depending, of course, on genetic ability to partition nutrients) or simply eat a SMALL amount of calories over maintenance.

None of this (PLing, BBing, general athleticism, olylifting) is difficult mentally, I don't think. Some times, the whole 'shut up and lift' thing is appealing - overthinking occurs with so many people. I've been guilty of it before. You need to eat well, lift consistently, rest, and do a bit of research. Genetics will usually dictate the rest, and you're golden. Start at an early age and get funded by the government and you may become an olympian yourself.

I just don't see why people can't grasp that. It makes me hate the world all the more. People have so many flaws. So many glaring, hideous flaws that are really simple to remedy.

 

[Protobuilder]

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever really get rid of dumbasses b/c this is a commercial board.

 

[al420]

AI - I'm just wondering why you don't have any pics of yourself uploaded yet? Not to flame you but I won't take any advice anymore from EF unless the member is proving it w/ pics. When it comes right down to it I don't care what your abs look like, I just care how much weight you can push, but all this know-it-all talk is just silly.

Agreed that there are a lot of people looking for attention by posting, but some of your closest EF buds do the same thing - don't hate the players, hate the game.

 

[CRounder99]

This thread is awesome.

 

[velvett]

Some times, the whole 'shut up and lift' thing is appealing - overthinking occurs with so many people. I've been guilty of it before.

God, it's a terrible habit - I do that sometimes, with work too and you just end up getting in your own way.


Sometimes you just have to fall on your face and just do something to get started and figure it out as you go.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

AI - I'm just wondering why you don't have any pics of yourself uploaded yet? Not to flame you but I won't take any advice anymore from EF unless the member is proving it w/ pics. When it comes right down to it I don't care what your abs look like, I just care how much weight you can push, but all this know-it-all talk is just silly.

Agreed that there are a lot of people looking for attention by posting, but some of your closest EF buds do the same thing - don't hate the players, hate the game.

My closest EF buds? Who posts idiotic threads like that? 'cause if they do, I'm not buds with 'em. I don't get chummy with people who piss me off. Unless I want something.

I don't have a digital camera, nor access to one, for one. Second, I don't care to put pictures or videos (though I've considered it) on here. I see no reason to. I don't need people telling me how good (or bad) I look, or critiquing my form. I'll trust myself.

I'll continue to hate the players, and the game. Fuck the crowd and the referees and announcers too. My hate really doesn't stop, even for family. I'm just a bitter, spiteful, hate-filled person. And it rawks.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever really get rid of dumbasses b/c this is a commercial board.

Agreed. Look, I'm g-bombed again. Funny how the fags from C&C (hamstershaver, namingly) don't post here, but they decide to rush over and bomb someone. OH NO I CAN'T POST ANYMORE! MY ACCOUNT IS GONE! MY COMPUTER'S ON FIRE!

Wait...what? It's not?

OHHH MY TEXT IS BLACKED OUT! Damn! Well...I guess no one can figure out they have to highlight what I say to read it. How horrible.

Actually, half the douche bags probably CAN'T figure that out.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

God, it's a terrible habit - I do that sometimes, with work too and you just end up getting in your own way.


Sometimes you just have to fall on your face and just do something to get started and figure it out as you go.

Yeah, the first step is always the hardest. Usually, if I find myself procrastinating something, I force myself to get up and do it. If in 5-10 minutes, it's not something I really feel like doing, even after trying, then I know to stop 'cause I won't be able to get my heart into it.

 

[*Bunny*]

On the one hand you don't want to drive away people who need help and on the other hand you don't want drive away the people that make the board.

I'm open to ideas - I'm sure most mods and perhaps admin too.
Seriously.

EXACTLY ...

 

[djeclipse]

Agreed. Look, I'm g-bombed again. Funny how the fags from C&C (hamstershaver, namingly) don't post here, but they decide to rush over and bomb someone. OH NO I CAN'T POST ANYMORE! MY ACCOUNT IS GONE! MY COMPUTER'S ON FIRE!

Wait...what? It's not?

OHHH MY TEXT IS BLACKED OUT! Damn! Well...I guess no one can figure out they have to highlight what I say to read it. How horrible.

Actually, half the douche bags probably CAN'T figure that out.

Ha, what did you say?

lol The old highlight trick works just fine....

EDIT: or you could just quote yourself, lol...

 

[djeclipse]

AI - I'm just wondering why you don't have any pics of yourself uploaded yet? Not to flame you but I won't take any advice anymore from EF unless the member is proving it w/ pics. When it comes right down to it I don't care what your abs look like, I just care how much weight you can push, but all this know-it-all talk is just silly.

Why do you need pics of anyone to figure out if he/she is giving you good advice.

By saying this you sound like one of the ignorant kids I see at the gym doing supersets of curls and cable x overs because they see some dude that spent ½ his life on test doing them. "He is big so he must know what he is doing..."

lame

AI has spent a lot of time reading, learning about weight training, diet etc and from his posts it's clear he knows his shit, I'd rather take advice form him regardless of what he looks like then some "big dude" that really has no clue.

Agreed that there are a lot of people looking for attention by posting, but some of your closest EF buds do the same thing - don't hate the players, hate the game.

What is that even suppsoed to mean?

 

[Protobuilder]

Ah, with DJ eclipse's help, you've foiled the hamstershaver yet again, AI! Lol

 

[BiggT]

lol, I never understood bombing somebody....Just highlight the post and you can see it just fine.

 

[al420]

Why do you need pics of anyone to figure out if he/she is giving you good advice.

That is just something I have found as the best measuring stick - IMO

By saying this you sound like one of the ignorant kids I see at the gym doing supersets of curls and cable x overs because they see some dude that spent ½ his life on test doing them. "He is big so he must know what he is doing..."

I was a Div 1 powerlifter circa 1990, FYI.

lame - sorry you feel that way, but I have read your journal and I own you in size and strenght - FYI

AI has spent a lot of time reading, learning about weight training, diet etc and from his posts it's clear he knows his shit, I'd rather take advice form him regardless of what he looks like then some "big dude" that really has no clue.

This makes no sense - I should listen to the small and weak b/c they can read? Sounds like another honor student trying to find his way around the gym - sorry, but the BIG guys know it all - just look at us!

This whole website is a clique dirven deal - you love AI, good for you. I like him as well and think he is pretty sharp - I was just making a point



What is that even suppsoed to mean?

SO there

 

[djeclipse]

SO there

Your measuring stick stinks and reeks of ignorance.

By your “measuring stick” everyone should be doing 1/4 ROM squats, 1/4 rom team bench press and no one should dead lift because it is bad for your back... Because that is the general consensus form 99.9% of the “big” guys at every gym I’ve ever been to.

It's been said here many times, if you're on "juice" just about anything you do will give you results, even if your training is shit. Most of those peopel don't have aclue how to train and that's why they had to turn to "roids"... And you'd rather take advice form someone like that.

I would seriously hope you "own you in size and strength" (as you say) since you've bene training for over 16 years and I've bene training for about 5 month's...

I am really impressed now you're my new hero

tis thread was started to point out all the clutter that ends up here on a daily basis and the fact that all would take to clean it up is a mod that is actually in this forum on a daily basis.

 

[H_T_]

lol. Woooooooooooooooooo!

 

[TheOak84]

AI - I'm just wondering why you don't have any pics of yourself uploaded yet? Not to flame you but I won't take any advice anymore from EF unless the member is proving it w/ pics. When it comes right down to it I don't care what your abs look like, I just care how much weight you can push, but all this know-it-all talk is just silly.

Agreed that there are a lot of people looking for attention by posting, but some of your closest EF buds do the same thing - don't hate the players, hate the game.

hes super ripped... looks really good...

 

[TheOak84]

lol, I never understood bombing somebody....Just highlight the post and you can see it just fine.

ya it makes you wanna read it more, seeing you cant... SEE it! lol

 

[Protobuilder]

I don’t want to pile on al420 here, so I’ll just quibble with the “measuring stick” thing. I understand the initial attraction to only taking advice from “big” guys. But it doesn’t make much sense. What is MORE impressive is how far they’ve come individually. What did they have to start with, genetically? Were they blessed w/ athleticism and strength? Are they big-boned, thick-muscled guys? How hard did they have to work? I’ve known big strong guys who could bench 400 . . .but guess what? Their bench jumped 150 pounds w/ in the first year of training . . . and hitting 400, while hard, isn’t “that” hard for them. Whereas hitting 400 may be insanity for some thin-boned, lightweight. The big strong guy doesn’t necessarily know jackshit about coaching a guy from 185 to 400. I knew a guy in the Army who was a big boy and he could rep out w/ 315, which impressed the hell out of me. We went to lift together and I told him what I usually lift and he couldn’t believe it was so light. He said, “No, you’re stronger than that, here, try this . . .” and he bumped the weight up about 75 pounds. Well I tried w/ all my fucking might and just got stapled, plain and simple. He was big and strong but knew jack shit about bringing a guy up to his level.

Bottom line: pics and stats are nice, but they don’t prove you know jack shit.

 

[al420]

Your measuring stick stinks and reeks of ignorance.

Why thank you - coming from a pre-teen it means a lot

By your “measuring stick” everyone should be doing 1/4 ROM squats, 1/4 rom team bench press and no one should dead lift because it is bad for your back... Because that is the general consensus form 99.9% of the “big” guys at every gym I’ve ever been to.

So, in the 5 months you have been training you feel that you have spoken to a lot of big guys - suuuuure

It's been said here many times, if you're on "juice" just about anything you do will give you results, even if your training is shit. This is not even close to the truth Most of those peopel don't have aclue how to train and that's why they had to turn to "roids"... And you'd rather take advice form someone like that.

I would seriously hope you "own you in size and strength" (as you say) since you've bene training for over 16 years and I've bene training for about 5 month's...

Good, b/c I do - by a lot

I am really impressed now you're my new hero Sweet

tis thread was started to point out all the clutter that ends up here on a daily basis and the fact that all would take to clean it up is a mod that is actually in this forum on a daily basis.

Like Velvet said and Bunny 2nd......you don't want to drive away people who need help and on the other hand you don't want drive away the people that make the board.

I mean - you just said it yourself - 5 months of training and you are giving advice.....not from what you KNOW, but from what you READ...pretty typical for a kid, so nothing personal.

Al420

 

[al420]

I don’t want to pile on al420 here, so I’ll just quibble with the “measuring stick” thing. I understand the initial attraction to only taking advice from “big” guys. But it doesn’t make much sense. What is MORE impressive is how far they’ve come individually. What did they have to start with, genetically? Were they blessed w/ athleticism and strength? Are they big-boned, thick-muscled guys? How hard did they have to work? I’ve known big strong guys who could bench 400 . . .but guess what? Their bench jumped 150 pounds w/ in the first year of training . . . and hitting 400, while hard, isn’t “that” hard for them. Whereas hitting 400 may be insanity for some thin-boned, lightweight. The big strong guy doesn’t necessarily know jackshit about coaching a guy from 185 to 400. I knew a guy in the Army who was a big boy and he could rep out w/ 315, which impressed the hell out of me. We went to lift together and I told him what I usually lift and he couldn’t believe it was so light. He said, “No, you’re stronger than that, here, try this . . .” and he bumped the weight up about 75 pounds. Well I tried w/ all my fucking might and just got stapled, plain and simple. He was big and strong but knew jack shit about bringing a guy up to his level.

Bottom line: pics and stats are nice, but they don’t prove you know jack shit.

Point taken - I am not writing a post and then re-reading it several times to insure I sound as smart as possible - When I say Big Guy I am talking about a real lifter - not a beach body. I have lifted in the past w/ genetic freaks that grew no matter what, so I agree w/ you.

I guess what I mean is I will only take advice from someone that is practicing what they preach, has tested there theroies, and has the "proof". Not sure how many folks on EF are knowledgeable and how many are just good readers.

 

[Cynical Simian]

As with PB's Glenn Pendlay/The Shadow thread, this one is probably going to get locked because people started arguing and launching ad hominem attacks that have nothing to do with the thread. And as a result, nothing will be done about the issues that I, BW, AI and others have been raising for some time. Can you guys take it to PMs or something, please?

 

[djeclipse]

Al420

oh no, I've been bombed what ever shall I do... lol

 

[VSUdude]

Just a friendly suggestion: If a thread is lame/stupid/noobish/repetitive then why don't you just ignore it?

Sure crappy posts can clutter a board, but just scroll past it; I don't think using a mouse to scroll down on a webpage is going to cause some huge caloric deficit and/or negatively effect your performance in the gym later from "finger fatigue." I know that when I found EF.com I was astounded at all of this new info - I read the stickies and researched the HST, etc. programs but I still had questions - which I am sure most "EF vets" thought were lame - but they patiently helped me out anyway.

If you only want questions/threads from "serious, knowledgeable people," then a public board (where basically anyone can post) isn't the best place. Start a private board (they're easy-to-make and free in a lot of different places) and only allow elite folks to post.

Bottom line: NO ONE came to EF.com knowing everything about fitness, nutrition, etc.; EVERYONE has learned and a lot of nice folks take the time to help teach others - but if you don't wanna help the ignorant peons, then don't.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

Just a friendly suggestion: If a thread is lame/stupid/noobish/repetitive then why don't you just ignore it?

Sure crappy posts can clutter a board, but just scroll past it; I don't think using a mouse to scroll down on a webpage is going to cause some huge caloric deficit and/or negatively effect your performance in the gym later from "finger fatigue." I know that when I found EF.com I was astounded at all of this new info - I read the stickies and researched the HST, etc. programs but I still had questions - which I am sure most "EF vets" thought were lame - but they patiently helped me out anyway.

If you only want questions/threads from "serious, knowledgeable people," then a public board (where basically anyone can post) isn't the best place. Start a private board (they're easy-to-make and free in a lot of different places) and only allow elite folks to post.

Bottom line: NO ONE came to EF.com knowing everything about fitness, nutrition, etc.; EVERYONE has learned and a lot of nice folks take the time to help teach others - but if you don't wanna help the ignorant peons, then don't.

Right, but it's annoying when I do generally want to help some people (clearly, out of my own awesomeality [that's a word, I declare it]) and then I go into a thread and have to see lazy people asking the same old questions. JKurz is a beautiful example. He's been doing the same thing for years now, and makes no progress. It's not like he learned and just hasn't done it 'cause a lack of commitment - he continues to ask us here, as if there's something magical he's missing. I hate that. I'm 19 and I learned this lesson before I was old enough to realize underwear goes on the inside of the pants.

This thread has gotten out of hand though, but it's entertaining. No worse than C&C, I'd say.

Private boards are free, you say? Point me to a place where I can get a free private board. I'll set one up for some of the better elite folk in my spare time.

 

[VSUdude]

It is simple - Google has a free group service which is very nice and functional. You can make it with restricted access (joinable by invitation only sent by you, the admin.) and other features.

http://groups.google.com/

 

[fortunatesun]

It is simple - Google has a free group service which is very nice and functional. You can make it with restricted access (joinable by invitation only sent by you, the admin.) and other features.

http://groups.google.com/

Easy for you to say, but do you think any of us would be eligble?

 

[H_T_]

hey Princess! we feeling any better? and FYI, watch it with that N-word you like so much.

 

[The Shadow]

As with PB's Glenn Pendlay/The Shadow thread, this one is probably going to get locked because people started arguing and launching ad hominem attacks that have nothing to do with the thread. And as a result, nothing will be done about the issues that I, BW, AI and others have been raising for some time. Can you guys take it to PMs or something, please?

Wise words.


I'm telling y'all - as a vet on EF, there IS a reason why a lot of knowledgable folks arent on here anymore....its the general asshattedness to which you just alluded...and that usually when you give advice when it was asked the person who asked wants to getinto a pissing contest....

 

[*Bunny*]

Wise words.


I'm telling y'all - as a vet on EF, there IS a reason why a lot of knowledgable folks arent on here anymore....its the general asshattedness to which you just alluded...and that usually when you give advice when it was asked the person who asked wants to getinto a pissing contest....

They are sorely missed too, and I am not even a vet

 

[H_T_]

this place is a friggin' circus. i bet if i looked at the first page, which i don't anymore, i'd see nothing but trash. and wtf is with you guys not responding to questions? i see on the new post page training & juice questions, no responses, no views, even. what a joke.

 

[The Shadow]

They are sorely missed too, and I am not even a vet

This forum is really shamed by the Womens Board.

Too many wise-asses over here these days...legit questions arent answered...too much shit talking by folks who havent posted enough to prove their salt.



there ARE some good folks on this board...but if I had MY way..I would ban about 15 immediately.

 

[al420]

This forum is really shamed by the Womens Board.

Too many wise-asses over here these days...legit questions arent answered...too much shit talking by folks who havent posted enough to prove their salt.



there ARE some good folks on this board...but if I had MY way..I would ban about 15 immediately.

Why not set an age limit - like say 25+ .... not for women as they seem to have class at much younger ages,

 

[H_T_]

This forum is really shamed by the Womens Board.

Too many wise-asses over here these days...legit questions arent answered...too much shit talking by folks who havent posted enough to prove their salt.



there ARE some good folks on this board...but if I had MY way..I would ban about 15 immediately.

that's what i was trying to say. lots of disrespect over here.

 

[oso0690]

Al, how would you go on about doing that? People could lie and say they're 25+. And not all people <25 don't have class. And yes, there is a lot of disrespect when it's not needed.

 

[fortunatesun]

And now there's a class 2005/6. Are they more knowlegable than those that were here before? Maybe not. Are they younger? Probably. They're still going to set their own standards, even if it means collecting a few bruises and handing a few out along the way. I can't see where things have ever been different.
The tack that's been taken is somewhat slash and burn, I agree. Look what's been going on in C&C as well as Steroids forum over this karma thing. I can't see where it's too different. It's merely text based delivery rather than K based- a system with less relevance here than other forums. The fact that this tactic was started here indicates there's some original thinking going on. That there's feeling of discontent here as well as other places means there's going to be a thinning of the herd. I'm hoping I'm one of those that merely has to wait until the dust settles.

 

[majutsu]

there IS a reason why a lot of knowledgable folks arent on here anymore....its the general asshattedness to which you just alluded

+1

 

[big4life]

Just remember, everyone is a beginner at one point. It's easy to blow people off and say do a search, but how much longer does it really take to answer the question?

Yeah, there are people who will create alters just to ask stupid questions, but usually, you can spot them after a couple questions, in some cases you can spot them right away.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

hey Princess! we feeling any better? and FYI, watch it with that N-word you like so much.

Aww, did the big bad N-word hurt your feelings? Tough shit - it's a word, deal with it. Nigger.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

there ARE some good folks on this board...but if I had MY way..I would ban about 15 immediately.

I'd just ban everyone.

 

[foreigngirl]

Aww, did the big bad N-word hurt your feelings? Tough shit - it's a word, deal with it. Nigger.

subscribing.

Saving this post for additional red.

 

[H_T_]

Aww, did the big bad N-word hurt your feelings? Tough shit - it's a word, deal with it. Nigger.

you would never, in your wildest, wettest dream, ever say that to my face.

 

[Sub-Zero]

can you do me a favor and not be a cocky asshole? thanks bor

 

[Sub-Zero]

Your measuring stick stinks and reeks of ignorance.

By your “measuring stick” everyone should be doing 1/4 ROM squats, 1/4 rom team bench press and no one should dead lift because it is bad for your back... Because that is the general consensus form 99.9% of the “big” guys at every gym I’ve ever been to.

It's been said here many times, if you're on "juice" just about anything you do will give you results, even if your training is shit. Most of those peopel don't have aclue how to train and that's why they had to turn to "roids"... And you'd rather take advice form someone like that.

I would seriously hope you "own you in size and strength" (as you say) since you've bene training for over 16 years and I've bene training for about 5 month's...

I am really impressed now you're my new hero

tis thread was started to point out all the clutter that ends up here on a daily basis and the fact that all would take to clean it up is a mod that is actually in this forum on a daily basis.

dudes been training 16 years and youv been traning 5 months.

why be an arrogant jackass about something you just started?

 

[Sub-Zero]

Aww, did the big bad N-word hurt your feelings? Tough shit - it's a word, deal with it. Nigger.

i agree in a sense with using the nword as a joke sometimes but when someone nicely asks u to watch it and u drop the bomb on them thats kinda fucked up.

bud, your a fucking jackass

 

[Sub-Zero]

I'd just ban everyone.

id IP trace you then ban you.

then id ban you from life

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

you would never, in your wildest, wettest dream, ever say that to my face.

Oh yes I would, nigger.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

id IP trace you then ban you.

then id ban you from life

Boohoo, too bad you can't.

 

[Anthrax Invasion]

i agree in a sense with using the nword as a joke sometimes but when someone nicely asks u to watch it and u drop the bomb on them thats kinda fucked up.

bud, your a fucking jackass

You mean "you're"? Nice job, you fucking retard.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Boohoo, too bad you can't.

lol thats the best u can do?

i gave u so much to work with and your "witty and sharp" faggotass cant think of anything else?

 

[Sub-Zero]

You mean "you're"? Nice job, you fucking retard.

oh shit, pointing out grammar mistakes...

your wit is underwhelming

 

[H_T_]

Oh yes I would, nigger.

i've been fighting longer than you've been alive. i would take things to a level that you are not prepared to deal with.

 

[Sub-Zero]

i've been fighting longer than you've been alive. i would take things to a level that you are not prepared to deal with.

id grasp onto a chunk of his face untill it got tored off.

 

[H_T_]

id grasp onto a chunk of his face untill it got tored off.

tough people are born. not made. and i never got to chose who i fought. or where. or how many. and i never got paid. i just got to keep my jacket or my bike. sometimes i didn't.

 

[Sub-Zero]

tough people are born. not made. and i never got to chose who i fought. or where. or how many. and i never got paid. i just got to keep my jacket or my bike. sometimes i didn't.

do u actually think so?

maybe your toughness was made by your experiences.

some poeple will never be tough i agree, bu tsome people arnt tough untill it is brought out of them.

also, there is a difference between tough and crazy. but both win fights

 

[djeclipse]

I was going to let it die but fuck it.

dudes been training 16 years and youv been traning 5 months.

why be an arrogant jackass about something you just started?

I love how you're all crying because I disagreed with something your hero said. It is very ignorant of him to assume just because someone is big they know what good training is. Get over it. In some cases (and I'm sure in his case) it is true but in a lot of cases it's far from a good gauge.

Also it's a joke that you all swarm over here the minute you sense the opportunity to jump on a few people, none of you give a shit about this forum, all you want is a reason to bitch about something and K_bomb people.

The people asking for the mods, making threads like these are the people that post regularly in this forum are the people wanting to make this forum a better place. People like you are just wasting space.

And don't get me started on who's being arrogant.

 

[stilleto]

dammit. i came here to lay the smack down on anthraxinvasion and another mod already banned him.

i never get to have fun.

 

[Protobuilder]

I love how you're all crying because I disagreed with something your hero said. It is very ignorant of him to assume just because someone is big they know what good training is. Get over it. In some cases (and I'm sure in his case) it is true but in a lot of cases it's far from a good gauge.

+1

Also it's a joke that you all swarm over here the minute you sense the opportunity to jump on a few people, none of you give a shit about this forum, all you want is a reason to bitch about something and K_bomb people.

+1

The people asking for the mods, making threads like these are the people that post regularly in this forum are the people wanting to make this forum a better place. People like you are just wasting space.

+1

I'd like to thank the mods and other "elite" posters for dropping by the training forum to (1) whine self-righteously that the training board sucks, (2) let us know we suck too, and (3) get involved in e-thuggery after pointing out how crappy/sophomoric this forum is. LoL

We answer genuine questions asked by people who desire to learn. Look at the new journals started by people who are new to this forum. They asked questions and liked the way they were treated. It's easy to identify the "other" types of questions. You've seen 'em. It happens on each and every board here. "Yo dudez this iz my first post but where can I score some gizzear?" I'm sure everybody responds politely and treats the poster with respect. Lol Or maybe he gets bombed and trash-talked. Same thing happens here. And despite all the self-righteousness being tossed about in this thread, people who drop in and ask stupid questions on other forums are treated exactly the same way. Kids get brain farts and mistake it for a thought, and they post a question before the stink has passed . . .they don't hang around for the answer. They didn't really care. It was easier to post a question while surfing myspace than actually looking it up or reading something. It happens everywhere. Those kind of questions get tossed under the bus here as on each and every forum on EF. It's like an A.D.D. kid who asks "whatcha' doing?" every five seconds. You answer the first few times, then you wish they'd leave you alone. So don't pretend like the "other" boards are "just, like, Awesome!" and treat everybody with respect but we suck b/c people get trashed here on occasion. The people who get it generally have earned it.

It's funny to me that the "mods" and other "respected elite posters" show up here to whine and let us know they stay away b/c "your forum sucks." LoL Nobody gives a shit that you don't post here. We're fine without you posting here. The only time you show up is to get involved in a silly back-and-forth. LoL You're like high-school kids who hear "Fight! Fight!" and suddenly show up to huddle in a circle and watch.

*edited to note that this was not meant to include majutsu, who seemed to post good info. here from what I recall.

 

[HiDnGoD]

I was gonna say something to A.I., but it's pointless, if he ain't gonna read it & respond.
Y'all have a nice day.

 

[theprofessor]

The people asking for the mods, making threads like these are the people that post regularly in this forum are the people wanting to make this forum a better place. People like you are just wasting space.
.

no... AI is just a punk kid plain and simple... his attitude needs to be put in check...
...he degrades this forum more than the stupidest question asked...

 

[fortunatesun]

dammit. i came here to lay the smack down on anthraxinvasion and another mod already banned him.

+1

 

[Sub-Zero]

I was going to let it die but fuck it.



I love how you're all crying because I disagreed with something your hero said. It is very ignorant of him to assume just because someone is big they know what good training is. Get over it. In some cases (and I'm sure in his case) it is true but in a lot of cases it's far from a good gauge.

Also it's a joke that you all swarm over here the minute you sense the opportunity to jump on a few people, none of you give a shit about this forum, all you want is a reason to bitch about something and K_bomb people.

The people asking for the mods, making threads like these are the people that post regularly in this forum are the people wanting to make this forum a better place. People like you are just wasting space.

And don't get me started on who's being arrogant.

i dont even know who the guy is. hes not my hero. iv never seen im before.

and dont tellme i dont give a shit about this forum when this is the one i spent 6 months in before ever making a post in C&C

 

[djeclipse]

I think Protobuilder laid it out pretty good in his post, there are many people that have come to this board and really learned about good training. I am one of them and I still learn here on a daily basis. And there are many more, just look at the number of journals started here in the last month.

no... AI is just a punk kid plain and simple... his attitude needs to be put in check...
...he degrades this forum more than the stupidest question asked...

He does have an attitude problem and doesn't deny it. Aside form that he does offer lots of help to people and spends time going into detail when he posts.

I'm not sure what the whole deal with the "N" word was about though.

 

[Island Son]

I think Protobuilder laid it out pretty good in his post, there are many people that have come to this board and really learned about good training. I am one of them and I still learn here on a daily basis. And there are many more, just look at the number of journals started here in the last month.



He does have an attitude problem and doesn't deny it. Aside form that he does offer lots of help to people and spends time going into detail when he posts.

I'm not sure what the whole deal with the "N" word was about though.

I'd have supported him for mod because he seems to read every thread, and puts in the time and effort in a lot of replies; but he clearly doesn't have the people skills.

 

[blut wump]

Oh, crap. AI has been banned again.

That sucks donkey balls.