What the fuck is wrong with me?

[sandman599]

I posted about a week ago about some gyno that has popped up out of nowhere (i've been off cycle since march) and i plan on using the letro/nolva combination and maybe some dostinex as well. but my other problem is this:

I am tired all day long. i cant wake up in the morning. i want to take a naps all day long at work.i am gaining wait in my chest and stomach like crazy. I have no motivation and barely any sex drive. All this has happened within the past 2 weeks.

I was fine after pct with sex drive and hitting the weights and felt great, now out of nowwhere its the total opposite. I do have a lot of stress in my life right now and dont know if thats a factor or not. I am mostly concerned with the gyno and the weight i am gaining. Are my estrogen levels just way to high? Any and all help or comments would be appreciated.

 

[columbia58]

Sounds Like Low Testosterone And Elevated Progesterone.

 

[sandman599]

if that is the case what can i do to combat this? I used unleashed/post cycle/sustain for pct, should i get some more of that? I also ordered one of the 38$ saliva testosterone tests from JAM it should be here soon so i will have a general idea of where i stand with the test levels. I was also planning on starting another cycle in july but now think that its prolly not the best idea right now.

 

[al420]

Stress is always a factor, but if you don't have stress you probably aren't old enough to be using!

Get some cabaser. 1mg ED for 3 days, then .5mg/E3D. I would also get some proviron and run that at 100mg/day for a few weeks, then taper down to 50mg/day.

Cialis is always nice as well when sex drive is low - it's hard to not want to screw with a raging hard on.

Either that or jump on HRT.

 

[sandman599]

I did order cabaser and letro from 4rx and should be here in 10 days or so. I have my gear for my next cycle ordered too but only half showed up and that missing half had some proviron (and var and letro) . only thing is i wasnt gonna take the proviron even if it did show up cuz i dont wanna lose any more hair than i have already lost and read proviron will make you shed.

My sus came in and was thinking of running it at a lower dose, 250 pw and winnie for the first 5 followed by var for the last 5 (if it ever shows). i'd take the letro during to get rid of the gyno. then do a really good long pct after. I just want to be back to normal again.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I think the advice of cabasser is a little out of control. People seem to make it out as a magic bullet and it is not. And jumping on HRT is not to be taken lightly.

If your sex drive was up while using the UNLEASHED/POST CYCLE and Sustain, why not get some more? It can't hurt. Not everyone rebounds at the same rate and you might still need it.

More drugs is not the answer. Use the supps until the condition corrects itself. If you still feel bad months down the line, have full blood work done. A lot of things can cause the problem.

 

[Harleymarleybone]

I posted about a week ago about some gyno that has popped up out of nowhere (i've been off cycle since march) and i plan on using the letro/nolva combination and maybe some dostinex as well. but my other problem is this:

I am tired all day long. i cant wake up in the morning. i want to take a naps all day long at work.i am gaining wait in my chest and stomach like crazy. I have no motivation and barely any sex drive. All this has happened within the past 2 weeks.

I was fine after pct with sex drive and hitting the weights and felt great, now out of nowwhere its the total opposite. I do have a lot of stress in my life right now and dont know if thats a factor or not. I am mostly concerned with the gyno and the weight i am gaining. Are my estrogen levels just way to high? Any and all help or comments would be appreciated.

The only way to be sure is get blood work done. Only when you know your hormone levels, will you know exactly what to do about it.

 

[sandman599]

Ok so where do i go to get blood work done and what do i tell them and also how much does it cost, i dont have ins. Do i tell them i used some juice and want to get my blood checked or do i tell them i have been a lazy bitch for the last 2 weeks and have trouble getting my dingy hard and want to get a check up?

 

[billdance]

Ok so where do i go to get blood work done and what do i tell them and also how much does it cost, i dont have ins. Do i tell them i used some juice and want to get my blood checked or do i tell them i have been a lazy bitch for the last 2 weeks and have trouble getting my dingy hard and want to get a check up?

This link was posted on this site a few days back....

http://supplements911.com/optimale/testosterone-health-check-kit/prod_2008.html

 

[Varga]

You have the classic low test symptoms. Be careful bro, with low test, estrogen is the dominant hormone and that explains fat gain and the gyno formation.
Do another PCT and take from there

 

[pappad]

Try some HCG!

 

[al420]

If your sex drive was up while using the UNLEASHED/POST CYCLE and Sustain, why not get some more? It can't hurt. Not everyone rebounds at the same rate and you might still need it.

More drugs is not the answer. Use the supps until the condition corrects itself. If you still feel bad months down the line, have full blood work done. A lot of things can cause the problem.

So no to cabaser but yes to OTC supps - Whatever you say I guess......

 

[sandman599]

This link was posted on this site a few days back....

http://supplements911.com/optimale/testosterone-health-check-kit/prod_2008.html

I already ordered that kit and am still waitng for it to come in. I will let you all know what the results are when i get them back.

Thank for all for the replys and help. I will try to do another pct and see how that goes. I did post cycle/unleshed/and sustain for my first pct. on hand i currently have nolva, adex, hcg and the letro and dostnex are both ordered. Can you give me any suggestions of what i should run? I was thinking of doing the same as before but throw in the hcg and use the letro/nolva combo for the gyno, or should i do a pct then take care of gyno?

I only have 5000 ius of hcg so i should i dose that?

on a good note i did wake up today with a raging hard on. first time thats happened in a few weeks so i was happy bout that

 

[10001110101]

I already ordered that kit and am still waitng for it to come in. I will let you all know what the results are when i get them back.

Thank for all for the replys and help. I will try to do another pct and see how that goes. I did post cycle/unleshed/and sustain for my first pct. on hand i currently have nolva, adex, hcg and the letro and dostnex are both ordered. Can you give me any suggestions of what i should run? I was thinking of doing the same as before but throw in the hcg and use the letro/nolva combo for the gyno, or should i do a pct then take care of gyno?

I only have 5000 ius of hcg so i should i dose that?

on a good note i did wake up today with a raging hard on. first time thats happened in a few weeks so i was happy bout that

actually sounds like estro rebound from anti-e's leaving his system. bro wait it out another week or two, if you don't start feelin better then you just didn't recover and the anti-e's were keeping your test high, when the drugs (clomid and nolvadex both take weeks to get out of your system) left your system your body was very E sensitive so i think this is the issue, would also explain the gyno.

 

[pudzian2]

I am currently 2 weeks into PCT and noticing that I too can barely wake up in the AM, feel tired all day and then feel restless at night, have a very weird appetite, feel bloated, and seem to be staying soft and trapping disproportionate fat around my lower abdomen and lower chest.... and YES i just came off of 8 weeks Test prop and NPP...... I used Adex throughout becuase I didn't have access to aromasin (wish i did). I would prefer not having the rebound associated with non-suicidal AI's. My PCT is torem+Ralox taper, hypderol x2, retain x2, paravol, (cialis when needed). I figured I would just keep my diet ridiculously clean and wait out the recovery.

I really have no drive to train, and my strength is crappy.

my original intentions here were an 8 week recomp+ (pct-serving as a bridge if you will intended to stimulate partial HPTA recovery) followed by a 16 week cycle..... I am debating whether or not to wait out a near-full recovery or attempt one after the 16 weeker as I had originally planned here.....

that being said.... I believe I am in a very similar situation as yourself.

 

[sandman599]

It sucks bro, i went home for lunch today and fell asleep on the couch. i felt so weak after 30 mins of laying there that i could hardly move. i think a lot of what is wrong with me is stress and anxiety related as well. i got alot a other prblems in my life that are weighing me down quite a bit. i'm gonna take some hcg and sustain and see what happens. i did go to the gym yesterday and had a pretty good workout and as tired as i am right now i am looking forward to blasting my chest later tonight. i'm just gonna force myself to go and to get out of this slump or whatever it may be. I hope your situation gets better soon too.

 

[needtogetaas]

I posted about a week ago about some gyno that has popped up out of nowhere (i've been off cycle since march) and i plan on using the letro/nolva combination and maybe some dostinex as well. but my other problem is this:

I am tired all day long. i cant wake up in the morning. i want to take a naps all day long at work.i am gaining wait in my chest and stomach like crazy. I have no motivation and barely any sex drive. All this has happened within the past 2 weeks.

I was fine after pct with sex drive and hitting the weights and felt great, now out of nowwhere its the total opposite. I do have a lot of stress in my life right now and dont know if thats a factor or not. I am mostly concerned with the gyno and the weight i am gaining. Are my estrogen levels just way to high? Any and all help or comments would be appreciated.

Bro pm me I would be more then happy to help you with everything.

 

[ThePOLO]

don't force yourself with this. Your body wants rest. So rest. Injuries happen when you push at the wrong times. Nothing wrong with taking a few days off to get your shit together. You didn't recover from your cycle. Next time use HCG. Do another unleashed/sustain run. Add Toco-8 and endoamp.

 

[needtogetaas]

don't force yourself with this. Your body wants rest. So rest. Injuries happen when you push at the wrong times. Nothing wrong with taking a few days off to get your shit together. You didn't recover from your cycle. Next time use HCG. Do another unleashed/sustain run. Add Toco-8 and endoamp.

Damn good advice bro.

 

[jroc86]

I dunno brother, personally id go to your doc, tell him you were on some exotic supplement and and tell him you feel like shit (tired, no sex drive, blh blah blah) then have him give your a complete hormone/blodwork panel (including thyroid) ... having some facts in front of you will releive your anxiety, and give you a clear path to fix it with or without the doctors help.

 

[Varga]

I dunno brother, personally id go to your doc, tell him you were on some exotic supplement and and tell him you feel like shit (tired, no sex drive, blh blah blah) then have him give your a complete hormone/blodwork panel (including thyroid) ... having some facts in front of you will releive your anxiety, and give you a clear path to fix it with or without the doctors help.

That's prob the best avenue to take, look at the numbers then make an informed decission!
Blood work does not lie

 

[pudzian2]

yea bloodwork doesnt lie however I also agree with the previously stated: "just listen to your body and rest up"--

thats what I have been doing. i've just been keeping to my diet, and going lighter in the gym, sleeping when necessary. I found this to dramatically improve my feeling of well being over the last day or so. As long as I keep my diet consistent I dont really worry about loosing anything or looking sloppy after a few days of rest

 

[Varga]

I used to keep going heavy after a cycle and in retrospect that was a mistake. I def agree to take it light in the gym after a cycle. Just give your body some time to recover

 

[pudzian2]

I used to keep going heavy after a cycle and in retrospect that was a mistake. I def agree to take it light in the gym after a cycle. Just give your body some time to recover

i agree however I think its hit or miss. I mean for me at least- i cant take in as many calories without storing fat as when im ON and with a drop in calories, and going light for too long i think the "use it or looose it" theory has some truth.

but yea i believe in instinctual training no matter what -listening to my body... If i gotta go light then so be it.. but ill try and lift heavy when i can

 

[jroc86]

And yeah, dont overtrain ... regardless of PCT, diet, lifestyle, and rest its impossible to maintain the level you were at @ the peak of your cycle in terms of appearence and strength.

Instead, be retrospective and judge your progress by your natural abilities before your cycle and use that as your baseline through pct and natural time therafter.

good luck

 

[joefire_2008]

Also, I would get your thyriod checked as well. It may sound stupid but, there are a few things you said that point me in that direction. This might be something that is compounding your problem. I hope things improve for you... Please, keep us in the know. We'd all like to know how your progress is going.

 

[joefire_2008]

Wow, I don't know how I missed that jroc86 but, you had suggested the same course of action. My bad, I guess I didn't read all of the posts, didn't mean to step on your words.

 

[pudzian2]

Wow, I don't know how I missed that jroc86 but, you had suggested the same course of action. My bad, I guess I didn't read all of the posts, didn't mean to step on your words.

i actually increased my H20 intake significantly and feel 90% better. Still kinda hard to wake up in the morning but not nearly as bad. and my energy levels have returned. I cut calories back a bit becuase I cant put away nearly as much food and i feel a lot better. I think i was stressing my thyroid and over-eating+dehydrating.