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what stops you guys from taking steroids

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I have been toying with the idea for at least 10 years, I dont
know if it is lack of courage or Im scared of the legal ramifications
but I am now 30 and I remeber buying the Anabolic Reference
guide when I was about 20 and I still havent taken the plunge.
I know that for sure the side effects are not as bad as portrayed
in the media and they are cheaper than any of the so called
"effective" supplements. Yet I still now am thinking about 1ad
and mag 10 when I know that the juice really is the best way
to achieve my dream body....... anyone out there hear me???
 
Yeah, I hear what you're saying man. I guess the reason why I haven't taken the plunge is because I have hopes of trying to compete at the natural level in the near future. Obviously, if I start juicin', I can kiss that good bye, but also, if I wanted to compete while using drugs, I'd have to go to the NPC level, and then I'd be screwed, because I'd have to use a shit load of drugs to get anywhere at that level. So, the way I see it, I'm not going that route until I've fulfilled my goal. Once that goal is filled, perhaps I'll have a change of heart, though hopefully, I won't. I'd like to stay drug free for life. It would be a good accomplishment.
 
Hey bro i know what you're saying. I've been training on and off for the last 9 years, and seriously for the last 4. PH' have done little and nothing for me. I've tried many things, the Methoxy's at really high doses, ECD all bad reports from this, Andros and Norandros at super high doses and gained 3 pounds max even at high doses as well. Only thing that has worked for me was increasing calories, creatine, and whey/dextrose as far as muscle building goes. So i've spent a lot of money like most people w/ little or no success. So i did research on juice (very thoroughly) for 2 years before i tried it. I realized some illegal stuff out there really isn't as bad as media says it is, and some may even be safer than all these pills sold over the counter. So i did it and don't regret it, b/c i experienced no sides, even w/ blood exams everything is fine, and i did it for even less than i would have paid for a good dose (OTC cycle). I do have hopes for this 1AD, seems to be working out really good for some people, mostly positive reports. People are actually seeing gains from this even at low doses. If ever i would try out another product it would be this one. I say if you've tried the OTC stuff and it aint working for you, go for the juice. My first cycle was primo while on a cutting cycle at 100mg/week. Weaker juice than that i don't think you'll find, but as a first cycle i took every precaution. And even the weakest anabolic at the lowest doses, while cutting, i lost fat and gained 5 pounds of hard muscle. I could not believe i was actually cutting and gained a few pounds of muscle along the way. Well that's my whole story on this matter... and i know what you're debating right now too... if you do decide make sure you thoroughly research what the hell you're gonna take... that's my only advice.
 
I've considered taking juice as I am sure most have. The only reason I have not is because I don't think I have reached my potential naturally. It is possible to be big and look damn good naturally. You just may have to work a little harder.
 
Whenever you consider something like AS you must analyze the risks vs. the rewards. I don't think you should view it as a moral question but use logic.

AS are:
1)Illegal -- it's unlikely, but it IS possible you'll be prosecuted
2)Possibly counterfeit -- unless your sure of your source or are knowledgable about how to discern fake stuff, it's quite possible you'll take something that does nothing, or worse has serious side-effects
3)Have a fairly large amout of side-effects--certainly, one or two low dose cycles are probably not overly dangerous, but very few people stop after just 1-2 cycles or use 'low dosages.' And chronic, intermittant use carries serious risks, no matter what some self-appointed experts might say. If something has major systemic effects, namely that it adds massive amounts of muscle, you can be sure that's not the only thing it's affecting.

Ask yourself whether those 10 or 20 or even 30 pounds of muscle will qualititatively improve your life that much, and are worth the risks. Also, have you really done everything in your power to achieve the body you desire? Is your training brutally intense, your diet impeccable? Or are you lazy, and simply searching for a shortcut?
 
Like i mentioned above... my first cycle was an extremely safe one. There's lots of products out there, some are more beneficial than others and some are toxic to liver. Just like w/ everything in life you need to be smart and make smart moves. Roids are not for everyone. W/ me some say "you could have gained Xpounds if you did this!" but i'm more comfortable w/ things that are safer. Mesomorphosis.com has good info on these things. Take a look and see if the risks are worth it to you.
 
Hey and about the source... i don't have an online source. I can't find someone i really trust that wont rip me off, and i know on this board people wont really tell you "hey this guy is good try him out" you know? So i resort to local sources, and those guys reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally rip you off nasty... but at least i know i'll have it.
 
I do it I love it and all those of you who toy with the idea Stop you whining...... If you're gonna do it then do it don't whine about I've thought about it and I would like too.... Blah blah blah. Stop making excuses for yourselves, if you have a good reason then you shouldn't even consider gear if you don't then SHUT UP!!!!!!!

I keep hearing from peple I can be bigger than him if he wasn't juiceing, yet this is the same guy who spends 50-150 dollars on supplements a month..... Blah blah blah I sick of little cry babies who are afraid............
 
I have been working out for almost eleven years now and i just started taking cypinate a couple of months ago and it is the best thing i have ever done for myself. At the age of thirty-nine i got tired of taking one step forward and one step back. Not all steroids are illegal with some blood work they can be prescribed by your doctor up to 400 mg a week! as for bad for you, read the side effects on about any medication you buy when anything is taken in high doses you take a risk.


ONE THAT IT IS WELL WORTH IT IN MY OPINION!
 
Probably the main reason not to do it is it is illegal and so there are numerous risks as a result: getting caught, fake stuff, scammers, and lack of medical supervision.

Depending on how heavy the cycle is (and I see many heavy cycles described as light or moderate on this board) you will need to be aware that coming off can be rough. This is the hardest thing to manage so you don't get all fucked up, lose your gains, and your gonads get messed up. The other thing is gyno is a bummer if you develop that. Aromitization (conversion of T to E) is more of a risk the older you get, too.

One thing about roids it can be an education in the workings of male hormones and so it is kind of interesting from that perspective. You may want to consider getting your hormone levels measured as a starting point, and then periodically thereafter. Once you are out of your twenties you have to watch your stress factors so your T levels don't get whacked (don't overtrain). Prohormones can be used to help keep your T-levels in the mid to high normal range most of the time, and the sides are generally mild. Use creatine, protein, etc. and with the right training and diet programs you should be able to make gains that will bring you close to your natural potential, although you'll never compete with the roid dudes. Check out www.medlean.com for some sound and safe approaches along these lines.

When you get old and you really start slowing down your natural hormone production (at some point it will happen) AS may be safer than testosterone for a variety of reasons, but should still be administered under medical supervision like the other dude is doing with the T. At that point you are not cycling you are basicall in life extension and life quality mode and can probably just plan to be on for life.

When you start lifting when you are older there may be some limits to what you can expect. If you have a good foundation from when you are young, and then used some roids on top of that natural foundation, you might expect it will be easier to maintain that, when you are older using stuff like prohormones and stuff. The muscle memory effect is well known and true.

AS is kind of an extreme sport so primarily appeals to twenty somethings. Usually after about 30 dudes just want to keep looking good, at the beach and stuff. Steroids can help for that but only very light cycles are needed to give you that extra edge if you are doing other things right. Later in life, it is more of a health issue when natural levels just fall too low for good health.
 
Im proud to have used AS. I used it so the fullest and took ALL precautions.
 
i waited until i was 35 years old before i juiced for the first time...i'm glad i waited because i built a very solid foundation of size and strength...that said, i have no regrets about using juice...gear is less expensive than juice and more reliable in terms of gains...test is excellent, both physically and psychologically...anavar is mild, but very effective...deca is great for older guy's achy joints, etc...

do your research and you can minimize unwanted sides...i added about 25 pounds of muscle, which i've retained with a good diet and the use of supplements such as dessicated liver tabs, amino acid tabs, tribulus extract, and protein powder. i'm satisfied with my results and won't use gear for a while, if ever again. i'll probably try 1 AD at some point and will have a strong basis for comparison to the real deal...

i wouldn't recommend taking the plunge now because of the potential problems associated with receiving packages. wait until the mail system returns to normal. if you juice, favor injectables over orals...fewer side effects, especially in terms of liver toxicity..
 
what stops me?? PAYING FOR THE STUFF!!!!!!!! it cost bucks for a decent long cycle!!

some of us have to work for a living and make house and car payments; are not in college living off daddy's dime and spending grant money on juice.
 
I would have to say 2 things stop me from jucing quite yet:
1 - age, i am only 18 and haven't reached my natural potential
2 - source, the only 2 guys i've kept in touch with cannot get anvar, which is the only as that i will be willing to do until i'm 21. Also, i got scammed out of 400 dollars on the one mail order gig i did!

I NEED SOME ANAVR!!!
 
rnch said:
what stops me?? PAYING FOR THE STUFF!!!!!!!! it cost bucks for a decent long cycle!!

some of us have to work for a living and make house and car payments; are not in college living off daddy's dime and spending grant money on juice.

Some of us manage to pay for college, rent, car, and afford "supplements." My MRP habbit alone is starting to cost me $200+ per month. It's possible, and easy, if you watch your budget.

As far as the guys saying they can't find sources, it's really not too hard. Most of the mods on the Anabolics board are willing to give you reliable foreign sources. After a while, you might even get a good domestic or two.
 
I'm with Benzi on this one. The only gear I'll do until I'm 21 is anavar. I'm saving up though hopefully this summer.
 
spentagn said:


As far as the guys saying they can't find sources, it's really not too hard. Most of the mods on the Anabolics board are willing to give you reliable foreign sources. After a while, you might even get a good domestic or two.
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My computer is responding to any elte mail, and the MODS obviously won't accept unsecure mail, and right so. I need to find a PC... damn mac based campus!
 
spentagn said:


Some of us manage to pay for college, rent, car, and afford "supplements." My MRP habbit alone is starting to cost me $200+ per month. It's possible, and easy, if you watch your budget.

As far as the guys saying they can't find sources, it's really not too hard. Most of the mods on the Anabolics board are willing to give you reliable foreign sources. After a while, you might even get a good domestic or two.


don't attempt a career with the federal government when you finish college!!!!!!!!
 
my goals are not to be a mass freak...to be 5'9, 185 ripped would be great, and that's only 20 lbs away...i could be there by this time next year easily, maybe sooner...as you said, the side effects of steroids are not as bad as portrayed when administered properly, and the effects are better than any supplement...it probably won't do any serious harm (or any long term damage at all) with a light cycle or so...i would say make sure you've done your research and don't hesitate if you want it...tho i dont want to be the devil's advocate here, it's not like you are 16 years old and impatient...30 years im sure you can make a mature decision on this.

good luck
 
Age

I noticed a few responses on this thread, that related to age. I am 47 years old, and have been working out for 10 years, I have been at a plateau for quite awhile. I have tried 1-AD, but have not seen any real strength increases.

Any suggestions as to what might be a light cycle for a gut my are?
 
bobi-my buddy is 51 and did an anavar only cycle this summer and liked it a lot...you could add deca or primobolan and have a mild, yet very effective cycle...say 40mg anavar per day and 400mg deca or primo per week...
 
Cops definitely juice. I have a family member who is a cop, and dude use to juice about 5 years ago. He is still big, and not many thugs want to challenge him. So, it was a career move. Hmm, maybe I should be a cop! :D
 
BOBI go to your doctor and get a phisical and have complete blood work down. you want test level,prostate, thyroid, and talk to him about test cypinate 200mg once or twice a week. if he wont give it to you go on line to a testosterone hormone replacement clinic. you will fell much better and you will start to see gains at the gym again. this is 100% legal up to 50cc a year.
 
Thanks for the reply's.

Endro,

My Dr. definitely will not subscribe, so I will take your advice. Can you suggest a URL
 
BOBI have your doctor due a phyisical and the blood work and get the results when they are done and you can save a lot of money to start with.
 
Honest answer?

Simple: Don't where to get them reliably.

If I had a source that was safe, I'd probably go for it. Nobody's ever offered, and asking for them just attracts scammers, so I'm sitting here with Androspray drying on my body waiting for the real thing.
 
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