what is the big deal with test undecanoate ?

[VictorBR]

Everyone says that it doesn't work because it too fast and all but a pro here told me that it is AMAZING for someone trying to get ripped , he said that it really doesn't do too much in terms of gaining mass but it can make you look HARDER and defined . An ideal drug for someone looking to get that lean look .


What do you guys think about it ?

Anyone ever used it ? Post your results please .


Victor

 

[dzulboy]

undecanate being fast acting um noooooooooooooooooooooo

and when it comes to test the longer its in your system the more water retention as a rule of thumb so it goes like this suspension prop, enanathate, cypionate, undecanate

this is also why you will find undecanate as the highest amount of mgs in sust....cause it takes so damn long to work

 

[b1ewsw32]

Everyone says that it doesn't work because it too fast and all but a pro here told me that it is AMAZING for someone trying to get ripped , he said that it really doesn't do too much in terms of gaining mass but it can make you look HARDER and defined . An ideal drug for someone looking to get that lean look .


What do you guys think about it ?

Anyone ever used it ? Post your results please .


Victor

Tu when injected is a very long ester.3-4 weeks I believe. It's propensity to convert to DHT has been shown to be greater than other test esters. Thus this could contribute to less bloat with a more defined look.

Oral test undecanoate(andriol) has shown to have poor bioavailability and a dose of 240-320mgs./day(6-8)caps is needed to bring testosterone levels to a high-normal range.
This accompanied by the TU being suspended in oleic acid, which can cause gastric disconfort in a majority of users. Peak testosterone levels are reached in approximately 4-5 hrs after ingestion and returning to basal levels after about 10 hrs.
This makes for an inconvenient inefficient form of testosterone therapy.


The behavioural effects of testosterone undecanoate in adult men with Klinefelter's syndrome: a controlled study.

Wu FC, Bancroft J, Davidson DW, Nicol K.

The behavioural effects of exogenous testosterone in men with marginally low circulating androgen levels were investigated. Four adult men with Klinefelter's syndrome, low normal testosterone levels and normal sexual activity and interest were given testosterone undecanoate (TU 160 mg daily by mouth; Organon International) and placebo using a double blind cross-over design. A modest increase in sexual interest was observed during TU administration compared to placebo, though there were no effects on self-reported mood or energy, or on erectile responsiveness in the laboratory. Increase in circulating hormone levels during TU administration was more marked for DHT than for testosterone.The possible implications of this are discussed.


Which testosterone replacement therapy?

Cantrill JA, Dewis P, Large DM, Newman M, Anderson DC.

Three different forms of testosterone (T) replacement therapy were compared; they were the intramuscular injection of mixed testosterone esters 250 mg; the subcutaneous implantation of 6 X 100 mg pellets of fused testosterone; and the oral administration of testosterone undecanoate (TU) 80 mg twice daily. Six hypogonadal males were treated with oral TU for an eight week period, during which time serial serum hormonal estimations were performed over 10 h at the initiation and after four and eight weeks of therapy. Serum T levels showed marked variability both between subjects and within the same subject on different occasions. We attribute this to variability in absorption of TU, which is formulated in oleic acid. The overall mean T level calculated from the areas under the profiles of TU was 12.0 nmol/l. Hormone responses to injected T esters were studied in nine hypogonadal males. Serum T rose to supraphysiological peak concentrations (mean 71 nmol/l) 24-48 h after an injection, followed by an exponential decay to reach baseline concentrations after 2-3 weeks. The overall calculated mean T level in subjects receiving testosterone esters 250 mg every three weeks was 27.7 nmol/l. Subcutaneous implantation of testosterone in six hypogonadal men produced a gradual rise in serum T followed by a slow decline, with T levels remaining within the normal range for 4-5 months. The calculated overall mean T level over 21 weeks after implantation was 17.0 nmol/l. Serum oestradiol (E2) levels remained within the normal male range throughout the study periods on both TU and T implant therapy but showed a supraphysiological peak (mean 347 pmol/l) 24-48 h after a T injection. 5 alpha-dihydrotestosterone (DHT) levels appeared to parallel those of T on the three forms of therapy, with DHT:T ratios being highest for TU therapy. This was also true for the target organ metabolite 5 alpha-androstane-3 alpha,17 beta-diol. At the doses studied drug costs were similar for T implantation (every 5 months) and T ester injections (every 3 weeks), but were 7-8 times higher for TU (80 mg twice a day). We conclude that T implantation remains overall the most physiological form of androgen replacement therapy, is generally well accepted and attended by few side effects; TU may have a useful role in the initial phases of therapy.

B32

 

[VictorBR]

undecanate being fast acting um noooooooooooooooooooooo

and when it comes to test the longer its in your system the more water retention as a rule of thumb so it goes like this suspension prop, enanathate, cypionate, undecanate

this is also why you will find undecanate as the highest amount of mgs in sust....cause it takes so damn long to work

>>> You are making some kind of confusion here :

TESTOSTERONE UNDECANOATE :


The substance testosterone undecanoate contained in Andriol, however, is reabsorbed from the intestine through the lymphatic system, thus bypassing the liver and becoming effective. The liver function is not affected by this. Testosterone undecanoate is a fatty acid ester of the natural androgen, testosterone, and in the body is for the most part transformed into dihydrotestosterone, a metabolite of testosterone. For this reason Andriol aromatizes only minimally, meaning that only a very small part of the substance can be converted into estrogen, since the dihydrotestosterone does not aromatize. The users of Andriol therefore do not experience feminization symptoms such as gynecomastia or increased body fat.

Andriol comes in 40 mg capsules . This is an oral steroid and it`s presented in little, oval-shaped, red capsules. An oil which contains the testosterone is inside of these capsules. Andriol is a unique steroid in that it is not an alpha alkylated 17 steroid. The only bad thing about this base is that it only allows the testosterone to remain active in the system for several hours. Thus frequent administration of the capsules is necessary. Aromatization is minimal with this agent. Those are 40 mg brown colored miniature "rugby balls" by ORGANON of Europe. Each oval capsule is marked DV3 ORGANON on it. Dosage is 3 to 6 caps a day, and costs about $ 1.00 a cap. Andriol is a safe oral steroid that does not supress gonadotrophins.It is absorbed through the small intestine into the lymphatic system, no burden to the liver. Test. undecanoate is converted into DHT (5-Alpha Dhihydrotestosterone) DHT is 1,5 times as anabolic as regular testosterone, while only 1 or 2 percent is subject to aromatizing to estrogen, and no gynecomastia. Andriol is a natural ester added to a synthetic derivative which will nor change liver enzymes. No testicular shrinkage, no reduction on in spermatogenesis will occur whith resonable dosages. Cholesterol triglycerides and total lipids tend to be reduced with long term use as opposed to elevated with most oral steroids.TU is so popular a steroid that you find Testosterone undecanoate to be the 100 mg part of Omnadren/Sustanon 250 mg Blend, which is one of the most popular injectable steroid


>>>> It is the fastest ester available , it enters and it stays only for a couple of hours then you gotta take it again .


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

ops , my bad , now I am confused .

THE SAME testosterone works in a different way when you inject it or take it orally ?

I only knew about the oral thing which if fast , that is why I said the other guy was wrong , but he was probably talking about the injectable form ...

My bad


Victor

 

[Jenetic]

Good stuff B32!

I have ran a cycle of 280 mgs Andriol ED with 30 mgs Anavar ED for a period of 8 weeks. Results? 5 solid lbs of muscle and 2% decrease in body fat. I increased my caloric intake by 550 cal ED and did zero cardio. Not a bad cycle considering I had zero side effects.

I wouldn't do it again. Although the gains were decent, it was too expensive and the money could have been better spent elsewhere.

 

[fruit juice authority]

Good stuff B32!

I have ran a cycle of 280 mgs Andriol ED with 30 mgs Anavar ED for a period of 8 weeks. Results? 5 solid lbs of muscle and 2% decrease in body fat. I increased my caloric intake by 550 cal ED and did zero cardio. Not a bad cycle considering I had zero side effects.

I wouldn't do it again. Although the gains were decent, it was too expensive and the money could have been better spent elsewhere.

it was the anavar which contributed to the gains. Andriol is completely useless as a performance enhancing drug.

 

[slash747]

Terrible Terrible Terrible.

My first cycle was Andriol I think I was up to 8 caps a day. Terrible sides: Acne, hairloss , post cycle depression.

Gained like 2 pounds maybee in a 10 week cycle. Felt like complete shit, lethargic, constant mood swings. It seemed like my test levels were going up and down from day to day, somedays it even seemed like they would go up from hour to hour.

Stay away, Stick with Cyp or Enanthate.