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what gains can u expect from insulin?
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solidspine
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So many variables too hard to answer, for some it is great, but primarily for leaning out, not gaining muscle.
holy ghost
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cheers to that kyoshi im with u on that one.
insulin is for diabetics bro. if a healthy non diabetic person uses insulin it can cause diadetes. ask any diabetic (my father is diabetic) and they will tell you how hard it is to regulate insulin intake as safe doses vary from individuals, brands ,type of insulin, mixture, diet. even a little excess of insulin can trigger sudden hypoglycaemia which results in fits/seisures diadetic coma and can lead to death. i would leave the stuff well alone if i was you.
flotown
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You need to read read read read if you want to use it. Were not your parents but insulin is among the most dangerous drugs bb'ers experiment with. Along with dnp - dinitrophenol - and diaretics. If not at a serious point with your training for comp then maybe you can consider. If you simply lift to get big then its not worth the risk.
That Being said I have never experienced better results then when using it with anabolic androgenic steroids. Can be used for bulking and cutting effective at both. It assists the steroids very well. I'm currently using in a cut and couldnt be happier because I have been able to continue to increase my proformance through out.
You need to seriously sit back and ask yourself how important this is to you.
That Being said I have never experienced better results then when using it with anabolic androgenic steroids. Can be used for bulking and cutting effective at both. It assists the steroids very well. I'm currently using in a cut and couldnt be happier because I have been able to continue to increase my proformance through out.
You need to seriously sit back and ask yourself how important this is to you.
Faizakafez
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Insulin/GH can yeild up to 15-20 lean body mass
but i agree with everything stated above, everything has to be on point
i disagree with cadey though.
but i agree with everything stated above, everything has to be on point
i disagree with cadey though.
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bottleneckblooz
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My ex GF was a diabetic and I've seen her go Hypoglycemic many many times. I've literally saved her life more times than I could count.
Personally, insulin is one thing I wouldn't play around with.
Personally, insulin is one thing I wouldn't play around with.
jammastajai
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First off buy a $50.00 blood sugar monitor. Secondly, buy some gluecose tabs. Check you bloodsugar before you inject. Make sure you BS is around 90-110 before you start. I would only recommend 2-5 units of insulin, and 5 is a shit load for your body to handle. It will honestly drop your BS to 20 in 15 mins.
MAKE SURE YOU TAKE SUGAR WITH INSULIN. And not just any sugar, you need simple sugar, glucose, dexitrose, shit like that. Keep checking your BS every 10 mins or so for the next 45 mins. And if you keep dropping dude...keep pumping the sugar.
Good luck to you, researsh, done run insulin too long and you will be fine.
MAKE SURE YOU TAKE SUGAR WITH INSULIN. And not just any sugar, you need simple sugar, glucose, dexitrose, shit like that. Keep checking your BS every 10 mins or so for the next 45 mins. And if you keep dropping dude...keep pumping the sugar.
Good luck to you, researsh, done run insulin too long and you will be fine.
BigCracker
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I'd ask my "experienced" friend about using it "accurately" (I hope you read better than you spell) for you, but they found his huge dead body in his apartment when it started to smell after a few days. This guy was a national level competitor and one of the biggest guys I've seen under 5 ft 4 inches(he was a light heavy). Apparently he nodded off while watching tv-huge glass of grape juice sitting on the coffee table. Basically he fell asleep sometime within the 4 hour period he was to be ingesting carbs post workout. He fell asleep, went into a coma, and died from insulin shock.
I consider myself a fairly cautious and responsible individual and I had a couple close calls w/ insulin myself. It wouldn't have taken more than a couple situational fuck ups for me to wind up dead. If I haven't convinced you that the risks of using insulin simply outweigh the rewards yet, I can give you a couple more scenarios that could easily kill you with no 2nd chances.
I'm not even going to elaborate on your choice to use insulin without GH, AAS, or Clen/T3 because it would require a "Retard Alert" before I responded. I'll spare you that potentially ego crushing blow for now since it's like getting the carriage before the horse.
I consider myself a fairly cautious and responsible individual and I had a couple close calls w/ insulin myself. It wouldn't have taken more than a couple situational fuck ups for me to wind up dead. If I haven't convinced you that the risks of using insulin simply outweigh the rewards yet, I can give you a couple more scenarios that could easily kill you with no 2nd chances.
I'm not even going to elaborate on your choice to use insulin without GH, AAS, or Clen/T3 because it would require a "Retard Alert" before I responded. I'll spare you that potentially ego crushing blow for now since it's like getting the carriage before the horse.
jammastajai
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How about we answer the mans question. Im quite sure he knows the risks involved with insulin.
He did not ask "What are the risks of taking insulin?"
He did not ask "What are the risks of taking insulin?"
BigCracker
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jammastajai said:
Before you go giving eddie a reach-around newb, why don't you STFU and realize that if this guy has to ask this kind of question he's probably NOT fully aware of the risks of using insulin. Now go back to whatever gay bar you came from a quit coming here trying to find a fresh cock to squeeze.
Like we really need a board policeman with 50 something posts???
i am not very experienced with insulin as i have no use for it and havent researched alot.
if you start out responsibly, 5 to 6 units and work your way up (research on the build up, i think it happens relatively quick) to 10 units, you could see "gains". insulin by itself is tricky, requires a good amount of high gi carbs, and shouldnt be used when on a caloric deficit (i have seen people use it while cutting and i think that is beyond idiotic - but neverhteless people do it). i would expect some fat gain along with any muscle you add as the carb requirements alone will affect you daily caloric intake.
do a ton of research. its not that bad if you start slow. always have a person around when administering. this means for the entire time frame the insulin is active. i would think you would be using the fast acing but its not always a given.
if you start out responsibly, 5 to 6 units and work your way up (research on the build up, i think it happens relatively quick) to 10 units, you could see "gains". insulin by itself is tricky, requires a good amount of high gi carbs, and shouldnt be used when on a caloric deficit (i have seen people use it while cutting and i think that is beyond idiotic - but neverhteless people do it). i would expect some fat gain along with any muscle you add as the carb requirements alone will affect you daily caloric intake.
do a ton of research. its not that bad if you start slow. always have a person around when administering. this means for the entire time frame the insulin is active. i would think you would be using the fast acing but its not always a given.
Basically you can expect 10-12 pounds of weight in about 5-6 weeks of MODERATE use.
Whether that weight is going to be muscle (will be less overall gain then) or FAT is really depending on how well you use it and the precautions you take.
It is not going to magically transform into muscle. But it is going to give you the tools to enable an increase in muscle if used properly.
If you get fat off insulin... good luck losing it. It is stubborn as hell.
Whether that weight is going to be muscle (will be less overall gain then) or FAT is really depending on how well you use it and the precautions you take.
It is not going to magically transform into muscle. But it is going to give you the tools to enable an increase in muscle if used properly.
If you get fat off insulin... good luck losing it. It is stubborn as hell.
Papa Lion
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listen to the folks here bro!! it's the best advice you're gonna get... stay away... the risks far outweigh the reward!! why do you wanna use it with p-c-t anyways??
faiz... wtf did you mean you diagree with cadey??? what he said was pretty fuckin on point with insulin use!!
big-c sorry to hear about your boy... but glad you tell iy like it is!!
death IS one of the definite risks of insulin use!! you shouldn't sleep for at least four hours after injection... the problem is if you are having a hypoglycemic reaction one of the symptoms is that you can get very sleepy!! anything that I've got to stay awake or risk death isn't goin in my body especially if it can make you sleepy!! I als don't wanna have to have sugar on hand 24/7 in case somethin starts goin bad!! I've heard of quite a few close calls and some overall bad stories!! plus I don't wanna risk becoming diabetic, that's just not something I wanna have to deal with on a daily basis for the rest of my life!!
faiz... wtf did you mean you diagree with cadey??? what he said was pretty fuckin on point with insulin use!!
big-c sorry to hear about your boy... but glad you tell iy like it is!!
death IS one of the definite risks of insulin use!! you shouldn't sleep for at least four hours after injection... the problem is if you are having a hypoglycemic reaction one of the symptoms is that you can get very sleepy!! anything that I've got to stay awake or risk death isn't goin in my body especially if it can make you sleepy!! I als don't wanna have to have sugar on hand 24/7 in case somethin starts goin bad!! I've heard of quite a few close calls and some overall bad stories!! plus I don't wanna risk becoming diabetic, that's just not something I wanna have to deal with on a daily basis for the rest of my life!!
jammastajai
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BigCracker said:Before you go giving eddie a reach-around newb, why don't you STFU and realize that if this guy has to ask this kind of question he's probably NOT fully aware of the risks of using insulin. Now go back to whatever gay bar you came from a quit coming here trying to find a fresh cock to squeeze.
Like we really need a board policeman with 50 something posts???
Dude get off the tren, Im sure he knows the risks. Keep the gay jokes to your self. Is someone a little insecure?
I was only stating, stop spamming his thread with "Insuliln will kill you stay away!!!!!" And answer his damn question to the people who have used insulin.
BigCracker
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jammastajai said:
Hey dicksqueeze, before you start calling someone insecure you might wanna consider the fact that I very well could be someone that could effortlessly twist you up like a pretzel and throw you into a ditch without breaking a sweat.
You are a newb, and you surely aren't a mod, so why don't you let them do their job? When you show up at a new new gay bar do you pretend you're the fire marshall and immediately start looking around to make sure everything is up to code? If so, don't plan to make the VIP list anytime soon.
And before you go accusing me of being some tren head,
why don't you post up a pic of yourself? I'd bet $1000 I looked better than you do when I was 20 years old and natural than you do today on some mega dosage of 5 different compounds. So go take a flying fuck through a rolling doughnut and quit talking shit. Insulin is a topic many of the mods don't even like being discussed here cuz morons like you seem to think insulin use isn't really that dangerous if you're "careful."
big greg 82
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haha dicksqueeze, that made me laugh.
give it to him cracker!
give it to him cracker!
jammastajai
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BigCracker said:
More gay jokes.....
Ok lets be real, your calling me gay IE: a homo, from a post that had nothing to do with sexuality.
I dont see how My saying "Guys lets stop giving him the risks of insulin and give him some information on the benefits." I dont see how that justifies your analogy for a fire marshal walking into a bar.
And on a side not, the threat of beating me up and tossing me in a ditch? Whats that all about, this is a online board and you dont even know what I look like (weight wise). You obviously feel very highly of your self, so I will not try and burst your confidence.
I know I am new to this board, but like everyone I am trying to share my information and knowledge.
#STEW MEAT#
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cadey said:
You got anyting to back those statements up? Insulin is a natural hormone produced by the body. Levels go up and down daily. Using exogenous insulin to influence levels post workout (when its normally used) isn't going to lead to diabetes. The only thing I've found is that humilin-R is actually more potentent than endogenous insulin which could in theroy lead to short term insulin desensitization, but I've never seen this demonstrated. I've used it for 10 years and have looked for studies indicating negative side effects. If you use common sense, and follow Monster's Insulin Primer: http://www.afboard.com/forum/anabolic-discussion/204222-monsters-insulin-primer.html you should have no problems. You'll know when you start going hypo... for some it occurs with as little as 2-4ius, with me, it has always taken at least 15. Always keep glucose tabs nearby and never inject at the gym expecting to take the sugars on your way home.
Otherwise, I don't think anyone can post any medical literature that reflects negatively on insulin injections leading to diabetes.
-Stew
holy ghost
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BigCracker said:
i think you ought to listen to BC jammasta
BigCracker
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jammastajai said:
The reason I hit you with the emascualting flamage is because you were not "trying to offer information or knowledge." You were a newb trying to police this thread. The fire marshall analogy may have been sub par? A better one may be that you don't walk into someone's home you barely know and start rearranging the furniture to match your self imposed definition of Feng Shui. In other words, you were being rude, so I flipped you shit for it. You had it coming.
As far as the fight thing goes, chances are you are not bigger or stronger than I am. I live in Phoenix where there's no shortage of big guys and I have yet to see a guy in any gym here that carries 280lbs on a 6ft 1inch frame as well as I do(Cali is a different story-I'd be one of many in the audience at any state/national level show). Most people will say that size means nothing in a fight. Contrary to that belief I have many friends that fight MMA and they say that sheer strength and size is something they definitely consider a force to reckon with in a brawl. Jiu Jitsu champ or not, it doesn't negate the fact that a bigger stronger person could possibly prove to be a worthwhile adversary to even the most seasoned MMA guys. Bob Sapp is a perfect example. He's not that great of a fighter, and he gasses rather quickly, but in most cases he manhandles smaller opponents to where they get knocked out or submitted before their potentially superior cunning and skill can come into play. This is what I base my claims of being able to twist you up like a pretzel, etc is based upon. Could I be mistaken? Of course. As you stated, this is the internet and you could be some monster that makes me look like a cub scout. I sincerely doubt it though. The law of averages would tell me that you aren't, so I trash talked you accordingly.
In addition, my original post included anecdotal information about how insulin lead to the death of one of my "experienced" bodybuilding friends. I felt that this was far more valuable information to offer than telling the original poster how well insulin works, or does not. Sure, I could've given some detailed diatribe of how to use it safely(I use that term loosely) and how it worked for me in the past. I just feel that this would've been irresponsible of me to do without first pointing out that I felt that the risk of insulin use was hardly worth the rewards. Even now that this has been established, I couldn't offer the original poster any worthwhile advice on what kind of gains to expect with the use of insulin anyway due the limited 411 that was given of himself. However there is one constant I have to offer to anyone, if you fuck it up bad enough you will die.
Now go to Homo Depot and buy that track lighting for your crib that you wanted instead of trying to tell everyone what they should or should not post on this thread.
Yes, that was another attack on your manhood. Would you prefer that I rip on your mother instead??? If so, I have plenty of insults for her as well. 
Powerbuilder333
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More info - without the insults.
http://www.basskilleronline.com/insulin.shtml
http://www.basskilleronline.com/insulin.shtml
Pat_McCrotch
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cadey said:
Do yo uknow of any studies that backs what you are saying? The pancrease in a healthy person does not shut down like the HPTA does in roids.
Make sure you know the signs and symptoms of hypoglycemia and dont take a big dose like 10 units, start off low and take some carbs right after you do it. In fact make sure you have the carbs sitting next to you when yo uinject then take them.
BigCracker
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#STEW MEAT# said:
I won't disagree with you on this. However there are certain X-factors that could present themselves and result in irreversible consequences. When I read threads about guys accidentally taking too much of their research chemical clenbuterol and ending up in the ER because at the time they thought it was their research chemical Nolvadex, I must be realistic about how competent one might be using insulin when the end result may be death. Popping 3 Viagra cuz they look just like Aleve could prove to be pretty embarassing in some situations, but inadvertently taking too much insulin, or not ingesting enough/ having access to carbs afterwards (for whatever reason) is not a possibility that should be overlooked by anyone, experienced, proactive, cautious, or otherwise. Just my 2ccs.
#STEW MEAT#
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I trained a partner who gained 20lbs of mostly lean mass in 7 weeks with supplementation and insulin use.
-Stew
-Stew
BigCracker
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#STEW MEAT# said:
Impressive, but not typical. From what I've seen, most guys get fat as fuck.
Pat_McCrotch
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jammastajai said:
Post a pic then like he said. BC has this wierd ability to detect gay people in the closet still on here. it si wierd.
BigCracker
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errn247 said:
LMFAO!!! My "gaydar" is highly advanced from being involved in the fitness industry for so long. It wsn't always that way. About 10 yrs ago I used to get nightly phone calls from a certain editor of a highly popular bodybuilding magazine. I thought he was gonna give me a photo spread in an upcoming issue. Then I heard he was calling a few other local competitors and leading them to believe the same thing. Shortly after I was also informed he was gay. Then it hit me and I felt like a total dumbass. I should've gotten a clue when he kept asking me to describe my glute/hamstring tie ins. The fucker was probably jerking off every night the whole time we were on the phone. I shoulda charged him $4.99 a minute...no, $5.99 a minute cuz I'm just that good! lol
Mr Board Cop is MIA today. I hope he didn't have an epiphany about his sexual orientation. I'm gonna go check pervertedjustice.com and Dateline's To Catch A Predator's website to see if he got busted soliciting a 14 yr old boy for sex online. Someone shoulda told him 14 will get you 20(years) in most states. Hopefully he just joined a martial arts class instead. Jiu Jitsu-it's only gay if you make eye contact. lol
jammastajai
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BigCracker said:
Ive been at work today, I honestly don't feel the need to argue about something pointless like this. Anyways, I was not trying to be a "board cop" i was saying there is alrady a page on this tread about the dangers of insluin..lets give him some advice on the other side of insulin.
Anyways, Peace
BigCracker
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jammastajai said:
Good to hear you're not in jail. Your opinions and input will always be welcome here so long as you're not telling anyone how to post. There's no room for crybabies on this board and for the most part the mods are very competent when it comes to banning the real assholes. Don't get me wrong, I'm an asshole too, and quite often at that. However if you get past the online arrogance and homophobic styled insults, I try to include enough valuable 411 to offset my abrasive comments in a way that it's useful for all.
Some people here probably think I'm a major dickhead but chances are they are used to boards where they immediately ban anyone unafraid to give an unbiased opinion w/o worrying about hurting anyones feelings. It truly makes the pansy factor(overly sensitive) of those boards fairly high. Those boards suck because I consider them to be censored by those only worried about keeping site traffic steady. I'm sure that's a concern of George as well, but for the most part I think free speech(without blatantly disrupting advertising-this is a business ya know?) will keep the overall member quality and 411 higher, and the board in operation for many years to come.
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