:laugh: I don't have the patients to be rubbin' grease up the sledge and go to work as my daddy always told meCindy99 said:when guys think they've got to spend hours sliding over, around, under, and somewhat near the place they need to go. eventually you've got to get there. and you can't expect to bang away for more than a few minutes, we can get tired of it and we can get sore. i guess what i'm saying is i don't like it when a guy can't take instructions properly - that's my turn off...