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hrlydvdson1

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hypothetical question...lets say that as a newbie someone (in their own name) sent western unions to another country, never more than $1000 at any time. as time passed and more was learned about the game concern could set in. they have never been investigated in any regard. however, rumors are rampant around work that he must be "on". These records are easily attained? What possible reason would one have to send money to a foreign country? Just a question i would like some insight on. thanks for your well informed answers....................HD 1
 
are u thinking that by sending up to a $1000 some 1 will expect aas?
could be a million reasons.

could be buy alot from ebay. sending money to a relative in a different country. anything.
 
Exactly, 1 million reasons gear being one, if you have kids, I have 4 thats four more reason, and it never stops,

So don't worry.
 
those records are not easy to obtain either. What makes you say that. Do your coworkers have power of subpoena or something.
 
thanks for your answer....respectfully, i said investigated. the next question is what relative, we would like to talk to him.....i mean legit reasons that this could be. you see i am a marine, the attention aas has garnered for the last couple of years has lit a fire under anyones ass with muscles...lol
 
Worry if you are the guy picking up 20-30 WU per week from different names... Then you might have a problem. But not for sending 1k, never.




-BRR
 
solidspine said:
Exactly, 1 million reasons gear being one, if you have kids, I have 4 thats four more reason, and it never stops,

So don't worry.
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So are you saying you buy your kids from China? j/k
 
You met some guy drinking in a bar that talked you into sending money to a friend of his that runs an orphanage. You're just a great guy. What can you say?
 
Mail order bride payments. Do remember though that the feds ARE tracking all WU and other finacial transactions since 9-11. You aren't using your real name are you? That would be just plain dumb.
 
Been using my real name on WU for years. It's when you use a fake name you run into trouble. It's called mail fraud. Why do people get so freaked about ordering gear. WU is private info. Like the guy earlier said it would take a subpoena to pry out that info. Who the hell is going to bother? The only people that care about are the local distributors , if you ain't one don't worry.
 
On another note there is billions of dollars that flow electronically all over the world. America has millions of immigrants that send money home to support their relatives etc. Heck, 50 billion USD goes to Mexico every year. I bet that amount is greater in funds going to Europe.

There is no doubt there are tracking systems in place (all it takes is a computer program) but they go after the big guys. A guy who sends $500 here and there to China is not going to get hit except in rare circumstances.

BTW use a FAKE name and address when sending money WU. Also keep the orders small.
 
my_pain said:
Been using my real name on WU for years. It's when you use a fake name you run into trouble. It's called mail fraud. Why do people get so freaked about ordering gear. WU is private info. Like the guy earlier said it would take a subpoena to pry out that info. Who the hell is going to bother? The only people that care about are the local distributors , if you ain't one don't worry.
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No, it is called wire fraud. The Patriot Act allows the feds full access to international money transfers....no warrant or subpoena needed. Proving wire fraud would require a picture of you making the transfer under a false name. If you use your real name you are in a federal database 100% guaranteed.
 
medical said:
No, it is called wire fraud. The Patriot Act allows the feds full access to international money transfers....no warrant or subpoena needed. Proving wire fraud would require a picture of you making the transfer under a false name. If you use your real name you are in a federal database 100% guaranteed.
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Big deal, you are in a federal database along with 150 million other people who use WU !!!!! I am paranoid, but not that paraonoid. It may matter if you are wiring money to Iran in large amounts.
 
Twoguns said:
Big deal, you are in a federal database along with 150 million other people who use WU !!!!! I am paranoid, but not that paraonoid. It may matter if you are wiring money to Iran in large amounts.
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agree but many of these international sources use the same name for months even years at a time. I have a feeling the LE agencies know these names and it would be very easy for them to monitor it. If we can get a name to send cash to im pretty sure they can too!!
 
No matter what we may do to prevent any form of legal action to be taken against us, the one thing we need to remember is: If you play with fire, the chances are that you might get burned. All we can do is be as cautious as we can.
 
about 5 years ago i got a letter from w/u i opened it they wanted me to respond seems they had been cuaght skimming money during the pay out in chezch republic and paid out in local currency to low versus the usa exchange rate.
sent money on a monday and the reciever got it 7 days later and the american dollar had fallen so they paid out the lower rate of the day he collected rather then the day i sent the usa currency.Wich is illegal or some how cuaght and w/u was ordered to give refunds to customers.I had 4 trasactions to collect on.

i got nervous at first thinking it was a usa govt way of getting me to admit to w/u and see if i'll take the money that way it could incriminate me

well that was the first few orders at amscott and they required a person sending money over seas to have a photo id. company regulations not w/u but amscott corporate policey.

so now i use sweetbay and the girl up front will send as much as i need with no id at all i think she does not know about the 500$ max then id needed she just takes the info types and ask for cash.

so w/u does keep track of all the records I imagine they are not to hard to get.
 
I always use Western Union to send my donations to the missionaries in different countries. Giving is good for you. Donate as much as you can to spread the word.

:)
 
my_pain said:
Been using my real name on WU for years. It's when you use a fake name you run into trouble. It's called mail fraud. Why do people get so freaked about ordering gear. WU is private info. Like the guy earlier said it would take a subpoena to pry out that info. Who the hell is going to bother? The only people that care about are the local distributors , if you ain't one don't worry.
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its not mail fruad. you can use a fake name on the w/u but still have it mailed to your real name and adress.
b
 
hrlydvdson1 said:
hypothetical question...lets say that as a newbie someone (in their own name) sent western unions to another country, never more than $1000 at any time. as time passed and more was learned about the game concern could set in. they have never been investigated in any regard. however, rumors are rampant around work that he must be "on". These records are easily attained? What possible reason would one have to send money to a foreign country? Just a question i would like some insight on. thanks for your well informed answers....................HD 1
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Just curious why so many people still mess with overseas gear besides human grade stuff? Just use domestic, fast, easy, and less risks. Just my 2.543cc
 
surferstar said:
Just curious why so many people still mess with overseas gear besides human grade stuff? Just use domestic, fast, easy, and less risks. Just my 2.543cc
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some domestics still receive money overseas bro
 
drrman said:
some domestics still receive money overseas bro
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plus even domestic sources use w/u and guess what happens if a source gets popped and they find a few emails? then they will get a record of all the people that sent him money with in the usa .
i'm not kidding
rember red star of china.? after it was busted 2 weeks later i got a email from tweaked and token telling me of a sale and funding instructions. i knew they had been popped so My last emails might have been on the computer after the dea raided rsoc.
LE is pretty clever in some ways they amaze me .
 
chazk said:
its not mail fruad. you can use a fake name on the w/u but still have it mailed to your real name and adress.
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Yeah I agree here. I only use a fake name on my WU they don't need any info about me I am sending fucking money and thats all that counts they get there damn cut. All that has to know your info is your supplier. The only down fall to using a fake name is if you have problems and need to get your money pack without ID. your fucked.
 
Big Rick Rock said:
Worry if you are the guy picking up 20-30 WU per week from different names... Then you might have a problem. But not for sending 1k, never.




-BRR
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Good point.
 
Who is not using eGold for everything but sending their Grandmother Holiday cash?




-BRR
 
FBI used egold to bust a guy signing up for underage porn sites. Now tell me, how did they do that if it is so anonymous?
 
justinjones1963 said:
On another note there is billions of dollars that flow electronically all over the world. America has millions of immigrants that send money home to support their relatives etc. Heck, 50 billion USD goes to Mexico every year. I bet that amount is greater in funds going to Europe.

There is no doubt there are tracking systems in place (all it takes is a computer program) but they go after the big guys. A guy who sends $500 here and there to China is not going to get hit except in rare circumstances.

BTW use a FAKE name and address when sending money WU. Also keep the orders small.
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WU now requires an id with every order.
 
drrman said:
i hope you don't mean to "send" money because that is NOT true.

you can send under 1k all day long with no id
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right, and like others said, just watch the wu, it's busy all fucking day. i use my name, big fuckin deal, so i got some personal use stuff. woopity fucking doo. i get my lawyer and it costs some coin and a hassle, i ain't really worried about it. if i was dealing, i would worry big time.
 
Twoguns said:
FBI used egold to bust a guy signing up for underage porn sites. Now tell me, how did they do that if it is so anonymous?
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Would think they could track to the IP address the order was placed from?
 
maldorf said:
thats just not true, Placed an order just a month ago no problem.
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i went ot a check cashing place called amscott .i wanted to send money to a friend well they asked for my Id i said i have never had to provide Id .She said it was amscotts corporate policey to fill out the info card if i was gonna send money .
i looked the card over it asked for my dl number social work phone number all kinds of shit . i just said how much is it to send the wu she said 43$ i said i'll just wire it from my bank to his bank in the morning thanks anyways.

so i left and went across the street they didnt ask for anything nor could they care.
 
BTW - Different states have different laws for WU. Border states like AZ and Cal have laws regarding sending money to Mexico. They track these tranactions looking for drug money.

Remember - Since 9/11 you are not as free as you think you are. Big Brother is in more places than we want to admit.
 
black sheep said:
NOT true! Any amount to China requires ID.
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lol you know what is funny i was talking to a CPA that was doing taxes for a low rank probodybuilder that did some guest posing and photo shoots he made some money and was afraid of paying taxes on alot of it. So he kept all his recipets for food ,supplements,gym dues and wrote them off on his taxes as a "professional bodybuilders expenses "
I wanted to ask did he save the western unions and money he mailed to steroid sources and try to deduct that as expense cost .(but i was nice so i didnt)
 
Retabolil2 said:
Exactly! Also worry if you have a competitor in Romania who fucking pass your WU details to authorities every week...
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Don't they take bribes over there?



-BRR
 
black sheep said:
NOT true! Any amount to China requires ID.
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I'm not going to get into this again with you guys. I PROMISE you i can send money under 1k to china with NO I.D. I've been to numerous WU locations and never had them ask for an ID.

I can sit right there and stare at their terminal and it never asks for an ID. If you send over 1k i can sit there and see it pop up on the screen and ask for a Driver License number to verify identity, then they get your license and input your DL number. So you tell me why i never get that popup and get asked unless the amount is over 1k.
 
Twoguns said:
those records are not easy to obtain either. What makes you say that. Do your coworkers have power of subpoena or something.
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one of my clients owns grocery stores. . .they have wu at the customer service counter. . .the police come in once a week and review the records. if you're gonna wu, why not just do it on-line using your credit card?? i done it numerous times with no issues.
 
digimon7068 said:
one of my clients owns grocery stores. . .they have wu at the customer service counter. . .the police come in once a week and review the records. if you're gonna wu, why not just do it on-line using your credit card?? i done it numerous times with no issues.
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and you don't think they can review credit card transactions bro?? come on

nothing says paper trail more than a fucking credit card transaction
 
drrman said:
and you don't think they can review credit card transactions bro?? come on

nothing says paper trail more than a fucking credit card transaction
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no. . .i'm not saying that at all. . .but, if you KNOW there looking at the local wu office. . .then, on-line is just another option.
 
digimon7068 said:
no. . .i'm not saying that at all. . .but, if you KNOW there looking at the local wu office. . .then, on-line is just another option.
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also, regardless of how you decide to transact. . .there's a risk. . .it's unavoidable. . .
 
digimon7068 said:
no. . .i'm not saying that at all. . .but, if you KNOW there looking at the local wu office. . .then, on-line is just another option.
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Here is what im saying bro, many of these sources use the same name to recieve money and its VERY likely LE knows the name they are using and i can guarantee you its quite easy for them to flag a recievers name and have a record of anyone sending money to that receiver.

So if you send that guy money via the location or online and use your real ID i can almost guarantee you they know you sent it.

Still i'd rather walk in a location(even if cops come in and get records) and give a fake name and addy and send 500 bucks then go online and put in my real info and my credit card number to send it
 
drrman said:
Here is what im saying bro, many of these sources use the same name to recieve money and its VERY likely LE knows the name they are using and i can guarantee you its quite easy for them to flag a recievers name and have a record of anyone sending money to that receiver.

So if you send that guy money via the location or online and use your real ID i can almost guarantee you they know you sent it.

Still i'd rather walk in a location(even if cops come in and get records) and give a fake name and addy and send 500 bucks then go online and put in my real info and my credit card number to send it
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do you have fake id too?? i'd rather take my chances once a year than compound my infraction by creating a fake person :whatever:
 
digimon7068 said:
do you have fake id too?? i'd rather take my chances once a year than compound my infraction by creating a fake person :whatever:
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why do you need a fake id unless you are sending over 1000.00??

i get my HGH by sending money to china, never once had to show an ID
 
Retabolil2 said:
Not any longer due to new anti money laundering law... they simply dont want any troubles and can lose their license easilly..
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Well, can the "гангстеры" help out? They are always above the law over there. I don't care what anybody says.
How about Moving to a city/country where they do take bribes. Or get a WU pick up point at a place where they do. Or do as most domestic guys have to, use the proper channels and pay the 15% - 20% it cost to launder the shit right...

Either way, it will cost money to make money. You can't be cheap when it comes to this kind of stuff.




-BRR
 
Big Rick Rock said:
Well, can the "гангстеры" help out? They are always above the law over there. I don't care what anybody says.
How about Moving to a city/country where they do take bribes. Or get a WU pick up point at a place where they do. Or do as most domestic guys have to, use the proper channels and pay the 15% - 20% it cost to launder the shit right...

Either way, it will cost money to make money. You can't be cheap when it comes to this kind of stuff.




-BRR
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gangsters such as FSB(KGB) may help of course :) They will rip off though, dont even think about 15%, you`ll have to pay 150% on top of what you make! LOL :) We have no other gangsters left here anymore, only the ones "working" at government...
 
Retabolil2 said:
gangsters such as FSB(KGB) may help of course :) They will rip off though, dont even think about 15%, you`ll have to pay 150% on top of what you make! LOL :) We have no other gangsters left here anymore, only the ones "working" at government...
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Just forget all this stuff and open a Brothel or a Mail Order Russia Bride Service or BOTH. Thats good business over there. You'll have more fun and less head aches...




-BRR
 
Damn

Russia has turned into a Gangster Market

Cornell West form Harvard had a very good paper on it.

Specifically US based Capatlisst "Gangsters" who were all to happy to adopt ILLEGAL beahaviuor for power

they will all pay in another dimension.

I actually enjoy seeing evil people doing bad things
for they will suffer in so many ways in the future
they dig there own ditches
 
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Dude I am in the army and they dont test for AAS unless your battle buddies fuck you and say your on. Then they can do an AAS test. Then go buy a ton of prohormones from a vitamin store and start them along with PCT. Strong Prohormones will show up and possibly screw the test. Heard of a guy who did this and got off. Have not tried it myself. Honestly, I dont really see them coming after you because who does not want an aggressive soldier or marine on the battlefield. I saw a ton of guys juicing overseas in a Combat Zone. The military has too many other things to worry about. Also, the patriot act is for terrorism. If they see your records as long as you are not sending it to a terrorist organization legally and Constitutionally they can not nail you for AAS. That would defeat the purpose of the PAT ACT. So be careful who your buying AAS from.
 
drrman said:
Still i'd rather walk in a location(even if cops come in and get records) and give a fake name and addy and send 500 bucks then go online and put in my real info and my credit card number to send it
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I don't see how that saves you if you are sending it to your address.
 
missionpossible said:
Nope, just sent $800 via WU to China two weeks ago and no ID was required. Along with a fake name, done it dozens of times with no issues at all.
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If you ever misspell that fucked up chinese name and receiver wont be able to pick up funds say good bye to your money :) Thats what happens when you cant show ID to confirm it was you sending the money...
 
thats why right when your order it, they give you a form, you make sure that receipt has everything on it.
 
Retabolil2 said:
If you ever misspell that fucked up chinese name and receiver wont be able to pick up funds say good bye to your money :) Thats what happens when you cant show ID to confirm it was you sending the money...
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Yeah, that is a big concern for me. I always double check my western union printout at the desk before I leave. The clerks have made mistakes 2 times now on the recievers name. Both times I had it corrected at the store and no problems. Shouldnt be an issue if you check everything carefully.
 
Ive come to realize every state seems different when using WU.. I recently picked up $400 from WU and they asked to see ID. I had test ? & answer too. I told them I didnt have to show it for transactions under $1k with test ? and answer.. They showed me computer screen, and it asked to see ID. Clerk let it slide, thank god because I used fake name..

As for sending WU to other countries, some ask for ID some dont.. But anything over $1k always had to show ID. Ive heard next year, every state will require to show ID for all transactions. That is what a WU clerk told me.. He also said most arabic names and countries get flagged right away. So be careful with those people/countries.. Than you will have to explain to feds why you are sending money to mohammed saad in iran!
 
nisser512 said:
Ok well using a fake name and then sending the gear to your home address is not smart.
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and why are you assuming I would do that? even if i did what correllation is there between a fake address i used on a WU slip and my home address...THERE IS NONE BRO!!
 
drrman said:
and why are you assuming I would do that? even if i did what correllation is there between a fake address i used on a WU slip and my home address...THERE IS NONE BRO!!
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Another reason why I love homebrew and domestic sources.. :biggrin:

T-Matt
 
maldorf said:
Yeah, that is a big concern for me. I always double check my western union printout at the desk before I leave. The clerks have made mistakes 2 times now on the recievers name. Both times I had it corrected at the store and no problems. Shouldnt be an issue if you check everything carefully.
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Same thing here, I have had to make them correct their errors too. Its pretty easy to avoid a spelling error creating a problem on the receiving end if you double check everything.
 
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