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Well, I have to get my knee scoped on friday.....

emptywallet

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Yep. MRI came back and showed slight muniscus (sp) tear in my knee, along with maybe another thing or two. Not sure. Has anyone ever had their knee scoped before? What should I expect? Geez, I just wanna know when I can walk without crutches again. :( Zyg any comments? They gave me Vioxx, I didnt really look at the label, I imagine its some kinda of anti-inflammatory or pain med. He said he wants to look at the muniscus tear, and either repair it if necessary, or shave part of it off. Depending on what he has to do depends on what is going to go on with recovery.
 
my friend just had knee surgery, i think on his acl, and hes walkin without crutches, but he cant run or jump for 6 months
 
I had it done back in '98 bro, same procedure. It's a piece of cake. PM me if I can provide more info.
 
My brother has had 6 knee operations on the one knee for problems such as cartilage repair and femur degeneration. He's only 18. Obviously he's got chronic problems. Unfortunately he can't squat on advice of Australia's top orthopeadic surgeon (he works with the country's elite athletes, so its advice that is unlike a lot of your standard everyday doctors - you listen to it :(). He was a talented hurdler/sprinter and soccer player, so its a real shame.

That's the real ugly side of knee operations/problems. Sometimes no matter what, it just doesn't turn out the way you'd like it.

All the best, mate. I'm sure your experience won't be ANYTHING like my bro's! :)
 
that sucks bro, although it coulda been worse. you'll be recovered in no time.

I was only on crutches 2 weeks, and that was with a full ACL and meniscus repair.....you might not even need em.
 
EmptyWallet said:
Yep. MRI came back and showed slight muniscus (sp) tear in my knee, along with maybe another thing or two. Not sure. Has anyone ever had their knee scoped before? What should I expect? Geez, I just wanna know when I can walk without crutches again. :( Zyg any comments? They gave me Vioxx, I didnt really look at the label, I imagine its some kinda of anti-inflammatory or pain med. He said he wants to look at the muniscus tear, and either repair it if necessary, or shave part of it off. Depending on what he has to do depends on what is going to go on with recovery.
Oh yea, you know I have all sorts of comments on this subject. As a matter of fact I tweaked my low back but good, when I say good it means i can barely touch my toes and lifting 35 lbs sends a sharp pain down my back. Had I gone to a "normal" specialist I would likely be on the road to serious injury, I would have had to have undergone xrays and MRI's and all sorts of stuff as well as anti-inflamatories etc. Instead I spent 5 minutes lying on the table and here I am. I will repeat this prolly 3-5 more times and it will likely be 100% or better. Why didnt my doc check for a ruptured disk? Because a ruptured disk is a symptom of the problem NOT the problem itself. If my spine is stabalized the disk will repaire itself.

Now, before anyone chimes in that their doc is a specialist and has treated many athletes with tried and true methods etc let me just state that my doc has treated many athletes as well and his methods have been around a hell of a lot longer that arthroscopy etc.

I am actually getting a bit tired of trying to convince people but I will give it a whirl again. When your doc says you have a tear and may have to shave some off, ask yourself this, why does something need to be shaved off and how did it get that way in the first place?

To answer the questionit likely got that way doe to laxity in the joint which allowed the joint to wear away at various tissues of the knee. If this is the case, how would removing this damaged tissue solve the problem? It will likely help with pain issues associated with it, but does it do anything for the actually problem of the joint being sloppy? NO it does not and there is nothing that a typical doc can do for it aside from 10 letting it heal, which as we know they dont do because they have everyone eating anti-inflamatories like fucking M&M's or 2) FORCE the supporting tissues to heal and stabalize the joint, doing so will allow the ragged tissue caused by the sloppyness to repair itself.

If you go through with the scoping/tissue removal, due me a favor and tell the doc you want to have the tissue removed lab tested to see if it is in a proliferative state. I can just about gaurantee it will come back and be in a proliferative state. What this means is that its in the process of healing. And, why on god green earth do you want to cut out tissue that is healing?

My recomendations would be to set the vioxx on the counter, goto prolonews.com and find a prolo doc in your area. Listen to what he has to say and then make an educated decision on how to proceed. Prolo will NOT cause any additional damage but arthriscopy CAN. You can always get arthro if you find prolo doesnt work but if he chops you up, there is no going back.
 
Re: Re: Well, I have to get my knee scoped on friday.....

Zyglamail said:
Oh yea, you know I have all sorts of comments on this subject. As a matter of fact I tweaked my low back but good, when I say good it means i can barely touch my toes and lifting 35 lbs sends a sharp pain down my back. Had I gone to a "normal" specialist I would likely be on the road to serious injury, I would have had to have undergone xrays and MRI's and all sorts of stuff as well as anti-inflamatories etc. Instead I spent 5 minutes lying on the table and here I am. I will repeat this prolly 3-5 more times and it will likely be 100% or better. Why didnt my doc check for a ruptured disk? Because a ruptured disk is a symptom of the problem NOT the problem itself. If my spine is stabalized the disk will repaire itself.

Now, before anyone chimes in that their doc is a specialist and has treated many athletes with tried and true methods etc let me just state that my doc has treated many athletes as well and his methods have been around a hell of a lot longer that arthroscopy etc.

I am actually getting a bit tired of trying to convince people but I will give it a whirl again. When your doc says you have a tear and may have to shave some off, ask yourself this, why does something need to be shaved off and how did it get that way in the first place?

To answer the questionit likely got that way doe to laxity in the joint which allowed the joint to wear away at various tissues of the knee. If this is the case, how would removing this damaged tissue solve the problem? It will likely help with pain issues associated with it, but does it do anything for the actually problem of the joint being sloppy? NO it does not and there is nothing that a typical doc can do for it aside from 10 letting it heal, which as we know they dont do because they have everyone eating anti-inflamatories like fucking M&M's or 2) FORCE the supporting tissues to heal and stabalize the joint, doing so will allow the ragged tissue caused by the sloppyness to repair itself.

If you go through with the scoping/tissue removal, due me a favor and tell the doc you want to have the tissue removed lab tested to see if it is in a proliferative state. I can just about gaurantee it will come back and be in a proliferative state. What this means is that its in the process of healing. And, why on god green earth do you want to cut out tissue that is healing?

My recomendations would be to set the vioxx on the counter, goto prolonews.com and find a prolo doc in your area. Listen to what he has to say and then make an educated decision on how to proceed. Prolo will NOT cause any additional damage but arthriscopy CAN. You can always get arthro if you find prolo doesnt work but if he chops you up, there is no going back.

I understand what your saying. However I have a click in my knee as well, I can feel something shift, or click or whatever when I move my knee in the limited range of motion that I have. Could prolo fix that? I assume you think a repair to my miniscus would be better than shaving that piece of it off?
 
I'm really just wanting to get back to squating, deadlifting and the like. I know its going to take a while, but I just hope I don't have any problems when i do start back. You guys who had it done, you can do all the things you like to do lifting wise and your ok? I wonder when i can be squating again, I wonder how long. Couple of months at least I would imagine.
 
EmptyWallet said:
I'm really just wanting to get back to squating, deadlifting and the like. I know its going to take a while, but I just hope I don't have any problems when i do start back. You guys who had it done, you can do all the things you like to do lifting wise and your ok? I wonder when i can be squating again, I wonder how long. Couple of months at least I would imagine.
The problem with those procedures is that the feedback you get here is biased (of course mine appears that way as well) and the reason I say that is because the people who have had that surgery done and it wasnt successfull wont be here to reply. There are thousands of people walking around who have had surgery with little or no positive effects.

The only thing that wont heal is a complete seperation, aside from that everything will repair itself if it is allowed too. I sprainged my ankle huge many years back and its never been the same. Over the last couple years I developed plantar fasciitis (sp?) and started to get it treated with prolo, the initial treatment was just the heel but after talking to the doc a bit more about my old spraine he realizes the plantar fasciitis could have developed due to the ankle instability so second time I went in he hit the ankle too. It makes a lot of popping noses and stuff when I first get up and start moving. The poping can be escaping fluid (like when you crack your knuckles) or tendons ligaments getting out of line, stretching/snapping back etc. All of this can be caused by laxity in the joint and there is nothing your doc can do for that and in all honesty his methods so far (ie vioxx) will actually be detrimental in the long run since they trade comfort for healing.

All I am saying is that after a few weeks and a couple visits to a prolotherapist you will know if it is helping, if not you can always go back under the knife. But once you go under the knife there is no turning back and you will have to deal with whats been done. Many fo my Docs patients are those who have exhausted all other means to cope with their injuries. Many have had surgery which they were told would fix this or that and years later still suffer from pain and finally seek him for help.

Keep in mind prolotherapists are all full fledged docs, not like chiros and such (and that wasnt meant to slam chiro's). Many chose to persue prolotherapy after years being in practice and realizing that more often than not the treatments they used did not work for sports injury and chronic pain and since many doctors have a passion for helping people resume their active lifestyles they were not content just being a doc and shuttling people through the office, they wanted to get them back into the lifestyle they were used to.
 
Is this similar to active release therapy zyg?

That's what I was about to suggest empty wallet.
 
Zyglamail said:
....and since many doctors have a passion for helping people resume their active lifestyles they were not content just being a doc and shuttling people through the office, they wanted to get them back into the lifestyle they were used to.
I can't believe how long it took me to find a doc with this mentality.

9 out of 10 doctors.......
"You're too big for your frame"
"consider a lifestyle change"
"You shouldn't be lifting things that heavy if you're not a professional athlete"
"forget the weights and be a swimmer"
:mad: :rolleyes:
 
Debaser said:
Is this similar to active release therapy zyg?

That's what I was about to suggest empty wallet.
I think active release is good for minor sprains/strains etc but in a more severe case like empty's it just wont cut the mustard.

Prolotherapy hase been around since the 30's (if my memory serves me correctly) and is a tried and true method for helping the body heal itself. It does this by causing severe localized inflamation, which as I have been toughting for some time, is the key element in healing.

This localized inflamation is caused by direct injections into the tendons/ligaments of the injured area. The solution used will vary based on the client, the doc and the area of the injury, but the most common is simply dextrose with some lydocain to help with the localized pain. The procedure takes just a few minutes and your done with followup visits ranging from 2-6 week intervals and number of treatments also varies depending on severity of injury etc, but 3-6 is common.

Having had it done for various injuries that just never seemed to heal on their own I can say it works and it works well.

I can't believe how long it took me to find a doc with this mentality.
Thats the nice thing about prolo docs Thaibox, they all seem to have that mentality.
 
Ya know Zyg, before I had my recent back surgery, you told me about prolo and I looked into it. I wanted to pursue it further, but my back was so back that I went under the knife right away for 2 discs. 1 seems to be 100%. The other didn't work so well:( .

Fortunately, I still have a few bad discs, both knees have bad problems, as well as my right rotator. So I will have plenty of opportunities to try prolo. I just have to find someone in my area now. Hopefully in a couple months I'll be sending you daily Karma and deadlifting again:)
 
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