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Weightlifting and Baldness

Are you going bald with weights?????

  • Not at all

    Votes: 14 53.8%

  • Slightly

    Votes: 7 26.9%

  • I have MPB in my family and I'm not going bald

    Votes: 1 3.8%

  • I have no MPB in my family

    Votes: 4 15.4%
  • Total voters
    26
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Oceano

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Is there any way that doing intense weightlifting would cause or increase the risk of balding in a genetically susceptible individual?
 
Only if said "intense" weightlifting involved large quantities of certain steroids. Otherwise, no, you can't force hair out of head by lifting heavy weights.
 
thesuaveone said:
Only if said "intense" weightlifting involved large quantities of certain steroids. Otherwise, no, you can't force hair out of head by lifting heavy weights.
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but doesn't weightlifting increase DHT?
 
Oceano said:
but doesn't weightlifting increase DHT?
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Squats and other heavy, compound movements can raise free testosterone levels slightly I believe, so I suppose this could translate into maybe an extra hair falling out every four years. What I am trying to say is that I really don't thikn you need to worry about it.
 
I remember reading in an issue of muscle and fitness probably 7-8 years ago that the reader and letter writer was almost practically bald and started going to the gym and working out regularly and all his hair grew back.

Now there is a very good chance that it was a made up reader, or a giant idiot of a reader, but a part of me would like believe that for a certain small minority of the population this is actually possible :)
 
Some people go bald, some people don't.....some people who lift weights go bald some people who lift weights don't go bald. And that's about what it boils down too.
 
Nathan said:
Squats and other heavy, compound movements can raise free testosterone levels slightly I believe, so I suppose this could translate into maybe an extra hair falling out every four years. What I am trying to say is that I really don't thikn you need to worry about it.
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So if in addition to increasing free testosterone with weights you eat a highly anabolic diet wouldn't this mean a lot of free testosterone left over to convert to DHT and cause baldness?
 
This is ridiculous. Unless, as mentioned in the first reply, a "highly anabolic diet" includes various steroids, the magnitude of any increase in T as the result of weight training or a high-fat diet is not going to be large enough to cause any additional DHT conversion to be a concern.

Your high cortisol levels while worrying about whether weight training will make you bald are probably more likely to cause accelerated hair loss than weight training itself.
 
Cynical Simian said:
Your high cortisol levels while worrying about whether weight training will make you bald are probably more likely to cause accelerated hair loss than weight training itself.
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Can doing intense weights every day and eating an all protein diet release cortisol?

What is the effect of cortisol on hair?
 
lol, this is like a jkurz thread. You get a nearly unanimous response that your concerns are unwarranted but only pay attention to the parts that support your preconceptions.
 
Cynical Simian said:
lol, this is like a jkurz thread. You get a nearly unanimous response that your concerns are unwarranted but only pay attention to the parts that support your preconceptions.
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that because I've had a personal experience with it.

last year i went on an all-protein diet, and trained for an hour and a half every day

hair minaturized on the crown

I went back to a normal diet and stopped weights and hair stopped miniaturizing.
 
Oceano said:
that because I've had a personal experience with it.

last year i went on an all-protein diet, and trained for an hour and a half every day

hair minaturized on the crown

I went back to a normal diet and stopped weights and hair stopped miniaturizing.
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Sounds like you had no idea what you were doing, nobody on here would ever think of going on an "All protein diet", or for training for an hour and a half every day. That's just dumb.
 
ZGzaZ said:
Sounds like you had no idea what you were doing, nobody on here would ever think of going on an "All protein diet", or for training for an hour and a half every day. That's just dumb.
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Exactly. If that's what you were doing, I can guarantee that high natural test production was not a problem during that time period. Chronically elevated cortisol from overtraining is another matter (do some legwork on Google or PubMed rather than asking to be spoon-fed).
 
ZGzaZ said:
Sounds like you had no idea what you were doing, nobody on here would ever think of going on an "All protein diet", or for training for an hour and a half every day. That's just dumb.
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Well the all protein diet was to cut fat off.

Protein is the slowest releasing form of energy. Guess what? it worked, I ripped up.

I didn't know about how long to train for I eventually cut it down to an hour. I realize now it was dumb.

But what I don't understand is how the miniaturization of hair came about.
 
Oceano said:
So if in addition to increasing free testosterone with weights you eat a highly anabolic diet wouldn't this mean a lot of free testosterone left over to convert to DHT and cause baldness?
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No. You took what I wrote and tried to extract something that could agree with the original topic of this thread. If you hair falls out and you are not using steroids, it had nothing to do with lifting weights is my guess.
 
Oceano said:
Well the all protein diet was to cut fat off.

Protein is the slowest releasing form of energy. Guess what? it worked, I ripped up.
I didn't know about how long to train for I eventually cut it down to an hour. I realize now it was dumb.

But what I don't understand is how the miniaturization of hair came about.
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No, you didnt.
 
Cynical Simian said:
Your high cortisol levels while worrying about whether weight training will make you bald are probably more likely to cause accelerated hair loss than weight training itself.
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exactly my thought
 
Oceano said:
Course I did. I ate no carbs for 3 weeks to a month. My body had no choice but to use the fat.

but thats not what I'm concerned about.
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Before/After pics? .... I didn't think so....
 
Oceano said:
look into the science of it. Leptin goes way down.Insulin sensitivity rises.

try it out. but watch out 4 ur hair.
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lol...thats about the worst possible way to diet, but way to avoid the question.
 
ZGzaZ said:
lol...thats about the worst possible way to diet, but way to avoid the question.
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the before/after thing?

I don't even have a camera. I'm not a bodybuilder. I was following Dr Michael Colgan's athletes' regime.

The Rosedale diet provides all the science you need to rip up.
 
ZGzaZ said:
lol...thats about the worst possible way to diet, but way to avoid the question.
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the before/after thing?

I don't even have a camera. I'm not a bodybuilder. I was following Dr Michael Colgan's athletes' regime.

The Rosedale diet provides all the science you need to rip up.
 
Oceano said:
the before/after thing?

I don't even have a camera. I'm not a bodybuilder. I was following Dr Michael Colgan's athletes' regime.

The Rosedale diet provides all the science you need to rip up.
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Yea, all you need to feel like crap all day, not lift heavy weights, and to look like poop all the time....good diet.
 
I highly recommend zero carbs to any athlete interested in increased performance and high energy levels, lol

You had trouble with your hair from a starvation diet manily.
 
BiggT said:
I highly recommend zero carbs to any athlete interested in increased performance and high energy levels, lol

You had trouble with your hair from a starvation diet manily.
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but he got ripped to shredzzzzzzz from it!!
 
What kind of job do some people have to eat 0 carbs? If I go below 100 or eat fast food and get those sugary ass crappy ones I'm not near 100%. I get roughly 180 a day right now and feel great, and hell I'm thinking of increasing it.
 
Rabid_Goose said:
What kind of job do some people have to eat 0 carbs? If I go below 100 or eat fast food and get those sugary ass crappy ones I'm not near 100%. I get roughly 180 a day right now and feel great, and hell I'm thinking of increasing it.
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I survived off the fat in the fish and the protein.


im not an athlete, i was following an athletes weights regime. lots of cable work
 
Oceano said:
I survived off the fat in the fish and the protein.


im not an athlete, i was following an athletes weights regime. lots of cable work
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So like channel up? channel up? volume down? volume down? channel down?

6 sets of that?
 
Kabeetz said:
So like channel up? channel up? volume down? volume down? channel down?

6 sets of that?
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nah pulling on rope cable machines and sum free weights

not designed for image but for functional strength

I think you guys are right though, its mostly down to my diet

altho i have seen many bald folks who do consistent exercise

gyms are full of baldies
 
don't listen to these guys. you do have the right to be concerned. over many years of lifting, you will lose hair. It's just something that you have to accept.
 
Oceano said:
altho i have seen many bald folks who do consistent exercise

gyms are full of baldies
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Given the number and variety of people who exercise, you could replace 'bald' with any adjective and probably still have a true statement. We should move this thread to the science forum as an example of how not to reason inductively.
 
no, there is no threat

Baldness is herditary and also about how your body mediates DHT deposition at the scalp ( and prostate which is another issue)
 
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OMEGA said:
no, there is no threat

Baldness is herditary and also about how your body mediates DHT deposition at the scalp ( and prostate which is another issue)
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yes but the body creates dht from excess free t

weights create excess free t
 
F*** dr. michael colgan. Name one lifter, one nfl player, one baseball player one elite level athlete who built their physiques on cables. It simply doesn't exist. You don't need an m.d. to tell you that.

"Dr. Phil", king of all fat asses, has a diet book. I wouldn't take his advice.

WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE A FULL HEAD OF HAIR AND BE A FAT ASS????
What is the issue here?

If lifting in and of itself spiked testosterone sooooo dramatically, people wouldnt resort to steroids. And of the many lifters who have taken many steroids and so dramatically escalated their testosterone... a huge percentage have full heads of hair. How about Arnold? You think there's a chance he had more free testosterone than you could ever dream of?

This is ridiculous man. Go lift some weights and shave your head and quit worrying.
 
Kabeetz said:
F*** dr. michael colgan. Name one lifter, one nfl player, one baseball player one elite level athlete who built their physiques on cables. .
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Colgan has trained a few including Leroy Burrell former world 100m record holder.

Kabeetz said:
It simply doesn't exist. You don't need an m.d. to tell you that..
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He's not an M.D.

Kabeetz said:
"Dr. Phil", king of all fat asses, has a diet book. I wouldn't take his advice.
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Diet is different to exercise though. Colgan has been doing his stuff with elite athletes for 30 years. surely some of you have read his power program?

Kabeetz said:
WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE A FULL HEAD OF HAIR AND BE A FAT ASS????
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I'd rather have a full head of hair and be normal (not fat) than be really muscly and bald. THats my personal preference.

Kabeetz said:
What is the issue here?.
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I'm scared of going bald, thats the issue. I love hair.

Kabeetz said:
If lifting in and of itself spiked testosterone sooooo dramatically, people wouldnt resort to steroids.
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It may not have to spike testosterone so dramatically to induce hair loss in genetically susceptible individuals.

Kabeetz said:
And of the many lifters who have taken many steroids and so dramatically escalated their testosterone... a huge percentage have full heads of hair. How about Arnold? You think there's a chance he had more free testosterone than you could ever dream of?
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Arnie is blatantly not genetically susceptible.

Kabeetz said:
This is ridiculous man. Go lift some weights and shave your head and quit worrying.
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noooo waaaaay am I shaving my head. I have great hair like Paul Walker from Fast and Furious and I would look silly shaven. It suits some guys but not me.


Can you recommend a diet which is not raising of DHT?
 
Ideally I would like an anti-DHT/anabolic diet so then I could go and weight train and see adequate results for my effort without having to worry about going bald.

I suffered minaturization and telogen effluvium last time...
 
mad dipz said:
don't listen to these guys. you do have the right to be concerned. over many years of lifting, you will lose hair. It's just something that you have to accept.
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you think its that straight4ward?

u think weights = hair loss over the years?
 
ZGzaZ said:
He hasnt listened to a word ANYONE has said since he started this post, I'm starting to think this is JKurz brother or something.
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you've provided no evidence, no science - nothing.

whereas I went training every day for 3 months and lost hair

plus losts of gymbos are bald

I'm listening but convince me with science/evidence...
 
This post is a classic.....lol.....I've been lifting weights since I was 13, I'm now 27 and have no signs of balding, most of my friends my age are either bald or well on their way and I'm one of a handful who kept lifting after high school.
 
BiggT said:
This post is a classic.....lol.....I've been lifting weights since I was 13, I'm now 27 and have no signs of balding, most of my friends my age are either bald or well on their way and I'm one of a handful who kept lifting after high school.
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well ok, but you may not have the genes for baldness, that means no matter how much u lift nor how high your testosterone goes, you will not go bald.
 
Oceano said:
you've provided no evidence, no science - nothing.

whereas I went training every day for 3 months and lost hair

plus losts of gymbos are bald

I'm listening but convince me with science/evidence...
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You already told everyone you were on a starvation diet, thats what did it man. If you want scientific evidence, go do some research, nobodys gonna do it for you. We all gave you opinions, that's all youre really going to get.
 
ZGzaZ said:
You already told everyone you were on a starvation diet, thats what did it man. If you want scientific evidence, go do some research, nobodys gonna do it for you. We all gave you opinions, that's all youre really going to get.
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I guess. A starvation/low-carb diet releases cortisol which is associated with MPB.

Starvation/low cal diet also gives you a MASSIVE boost in testosterone. I mean I had hair coming outta by nose, hair all over my chest, hands, back - everywhere. My dick grew (u can laugh at that one) and I developed a small patch of miniaturized hair.

IT was a crazy time. but I achieved my goal. I was shredded for the first time ever. If I could go back theres no way I'd do it again.
 
Oceano said:
I guess. A starvation/low-carb diet releases cortisol which is associated with MPB.

Starvation/low cal diet also gives you a MASSIVE boost in testosterone. I mean I had hair coming outta by nose, hair all over my chest, hands, back - everywhere. My dick grew (u can laugh at that one) and I developed a small patch of miniaturized hair.

IT was a crazy time. but I achieved my goal. I was shredded for the first time ever. If I could go back theres no way I'd do it again.
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Youre weird man.....seriously.
 
jkurz:gaining fat::Oceano:losing hair

But thanks for providing an excellent case for the need for a training forum mod with this fucking ridiculous, tail-chasing thread.
 
Oceano said:
you think its that straight4ward?

u think weights = hair loss over the years?
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of course, my friend. everybody I know that's been serious with lifting weights has lost hair, and they're very upset, but there's nothing they could do about it. When I started lifting back then, they warned me, they warned me harshly, but I shrugged them off, because I thought they were foolish. But no shit, a couple of years later, my head now looks like george costanza's, you know, that character off of Seinfeld. I look horrible, and I now shun weightlifting because of this. I don't even know why I'm a part of this board.

But you, you can still save yourself. Stop lifting immediately. Weightlifting is evil, and will only result in the worst outcome of your self-imagery.

....if I could only go back in time....
 
It's well known that stress causes loss of hair. Everyone has heard of the expression "I was pulling my hair out". Well, that's what happens when you put the body under undue stress: the hair comes loose at the roots.

Anyone who lifts and still has their hair just isn't lifting hard enough.
 
mad dipz said:
of course, my friend. everybody I know that's been serious with lifting weights has lost hair, and they're very upset, but there's nothing they could do about it. When I started lifting back then, they warned me, they warned me harshly, but I shrugged them off, because I thought they were foolish. But no shit, a couple of years later, my head now looks like george costanza's, you know, that character off of Seinfeld. I look horrible, and I now shun weightlifting because of this. I don't even know why I'm a part of this board.

But you, you can still save yourself. Stop lifting immediately. Weightlifting is evil, and will only result in the worst outcome of your self-imagery.

....if I could only go back in time....
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So you're one of those gym baldies???!?

Damn, I really feel for you guys when I'm down the gym. I mean, you go to all that effort to get in shape and you come out lookin like a golf ball.


I'd love to know the exact science behind it all so I can make an informed decision about whether to return to lifting.

All replies are welcome...
 
Oceano said:
So you're one of those gym baldies???!?

Damn, I really feel for you guys when I'm down the gym. I mean, you go to all that effort to get in shape and you come out lookin like a golf ball.


I'd love to know the exact science behind it all so I can make an informed decision about whether to return to lifting.

All replies are welcome...
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golf ball.....that's what they all used to call me.....oh god why did you have to bring up such a painful memory?
 
blut wump said:
It's well known that stress causes loss of hair. Everyone has heard of the expression "I was pulling my hair out". Well, that's what happens when you put the body under undue stress: the hair comes loose at the roots.

Anyone who lifts and still has their hair just isn't lifting hard enough.
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I definitely think theres an element of truth to what you're saying. I mean, it makes sense scientificallly. i.e. more T/DHT = less hair and more muscle
 
mad dipz said:
golf ball.....that's what they all used to call me.....oh god why did you have to bring up such a painful memory?
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soz man, i didnt mean any offence. what age did u first notice the hair loss?
 
Oceano said:
soz man, i didnt mean any offence. what age did u first notice the hair loss?
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please, I don't want to talk about it anymore. I spent years trying to forget those horrid, rancid memories. oh why did you have to create this post?
 
blut wump said:
Yes, I agree, it's really not kind to refer to a slap-head as "golf ball".
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Yeah, I mean, some people can be so cruel. But you know I really don't want to get into the position where anyone would potentially view me like that.

Do any of you have any friends who have gone bald since they started doing weights?

I look at rugby teams and its always the forwards who are bald....

I'm thinking this is cos the backs do more running and thus have less T/DHT.

thoughts?
 
mad dipz said:
please, I don't want to talk about it anymore. I spent years trying to forget those horrid, rancid memories. oh why did you have to create this post?
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I feel for you man I really do. Please feel free not to respond any more, I know what a psychological problem this can induce. I mean I guess you didn't stand much of a chance in the hair dept. what with weightlifting for so many years and having to eat the standard American diet as well. You knw that diet is soooooooo hard on hair follicles.

I'd love to know just what impact numerically/statistically going to the gym has on hair loss in genetically susceptible individuals.
 
silver_shadow said:
lol and i waited till it reached 4 pages before i decided to see wtf is going on here! ;)
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That guys wide of the mark.

I'm genuinely concerned.

You see, I'm not the normal train three times a week sorta guy. If I train I do it every day and at full 120% intensity.

Now, I'm sure this isn't good for my follicles. But if I limit my sessions to 30 minutes I'd be able to get the benefits without the cortisol being released. However, I'm still concerned about the DHT...
 
I'd also like to know whether it would help to wear a hat while lifting to keep the follicles warm.

Also what type of hat would be best. Would a nice Panama be preferable to a balaclava, for example, or should one go all the way and wear proper Hazmat headgear?
 
blut wump said:
I'd also like to know whether it would help to wear a hat while lifting to keep the follicles warm.

Also what type of hat would be best. Would a nice Panama be preferable to a balaclava, for example, or should one go all the way and wear proper Hazmat headgear?
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I'm sorry you feel the need to mock me. I guess you would be one of those 'golf ball' shouters.

Just out of interest. Do you have MPB in your family and if so, how long have you been training and have you gone bald at alll?
 
Oceano said:
That guys wide of the mark.

I'm genuinely concerned.

You see, I'm not the normal train three times a week sorta guy. If I train I do it every day and at full 120% intensity.

Now, I'm sure this isn't good for my follicles. But if I limit my sessions to 30 minutes I'd be able to get the benefits without the cortisol being released. However, I'm still concerned about the DHT...
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i don't know about follicles... but that's not good for your muscles either!
 
silver_shadow said:
i don't know about follicles... but that's not good for your muscles either!
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why? surely if you do weights daily with different bodyparts you're gonna see rewards?
 
Ok guys. I added a poll to this thread.

Express your situations through that poll.

I am very interested in the results.
 
Oceano said:
I'm sorry you feel the need to mock me. I guess you would be one of those 'golf ball' shouters.

Just out of interest. Do you have MPB in your family and if so, how long have you been training and have you gone bald at alll?
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Only on my father's side so I'm safe. My cousin has been as bald as a coot since his mid-twenties. I told him to take up lifting but he wouldn't listen.

I'm aghast that you would consider my inquiry into lifting headgear to be scurrilous. It's a well-known aphorism that if you want to get a head you should get a hat. Logically, if you want a full head then a larger hat would be a good idea.
 
blut wump said:
Only on my father's side so I'm safe. My cousin has been as bald as a coot since his mid-twenties. I told him to take up lifting but he wouldn't listen.

I'm aghast that you would consider my inquiry into lifting headgear to be scurrilous. It's a well-known aphorism that if you want to get a head you should get a hat.
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stop using all these big words. They're confusing me.

what age are u?
 
lol, only one thing could (and did) make this thread worse: a poll. Now not only will the neurotic assclown/troll be bumping it, but so will anonymous voters.

:LockMe!:
 
Cynical Simian said:
lol, only one thing could (and did) make this thread worse: a poll. Now not only will the neurotic assclown/troll be bumping it, but so will anonymous voters.

:LockMe!:
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C'mon man, this is informative for everyone - including you!!

quit whingin and get votin!
 
Oh, dear. The thread showed such promise, too.

Sadly, polls have been banned in the training forum. Once Cynical is made a mod, he'll have to close this.
 
blut wump said:
Oh, dear. The thread showed such promise, too.

Sadly, polls have been banned in the training forum. Once Cynical is made a mod, he'll have to close this.
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Cynical will never be a mod. He's too controlling and overzealous with the Communist-esque enforcement of his views. Cynical indeed!

This is a serious issue which pertains to weightlifting. Its a shame some of yu are too insecure to address it with an open mind.

I'm eagerly waiting the results of the vote.
 
I wouldn't bother lifting weights, not only will you lose your hair but you might end up getting too big. Sucks when that happens.
 
Thread Date Posted By Comment
...Our Mod???? (trainin... 19-Mar-2007 02:25 PM silver_shadow mod k
Weightlifting and Baldn... 17-Mar-2007 04:17 PM Cynical Simian

^^^
I resent these bad reps. They obviously have a major issue with discussing MPB. Prolly not hard to guess why....

you know there will be people all over the web wondering if weights makes you bald. this poll should provide them with a really good definitive survey.

Theres really no need to impose your narrow minded views upon me and the other forumites.
 
blut wump said:
Are those fascist mod-wannabees getting in your hair, bro.
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Damn str8. Glad you see things my way.

These guys are the meathead type of guy down your local who comes in, sees what your lifting, specifically puts it up like 10kgs above what you were lifting and lets out all these loudass groans like they're really tough and strong or something. There is a real primitive lack of intelligence amongst their kind.

Me, I'm different. I go about my business with effectiveness and functionality at the forefront of my approach and mindset. I train according to the natural inclination of the muscles and never force anything which risks injury. These meatheads malform themselves with their flawed function.

Anyways, back on topic. Aside from the roids issue, why the fk are there so many bald guys down the gym?
 
I blame the popularity of phrenology amongst weightlifters that was so common in the 80s. It was said that with but a glance at someone's cranium, you could tell on any given day how much someone could lift. This resulted in many shaven heads to assist personal trainers in designing a workout just for that day.

No longer were lifters forced to guess at weight and rep schemes; any lifter in search of guidance need do no more than give head at the front desk.







.
 
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silver_shadow said:
oops! did i really do that 0:-o
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yeah you did. its all good tho, I understand it was a mistake. I know how confused you Indian guys get from time to time.

As an aside, have you lost any hair since you started weight training?
 
Oceano said:
This poll has given me a lot of confidence. I'm almost ready to get back into heavy duty weightlifting.
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idk man what if you lose hair? that would be gayyyyyyyy. like jeff garcia gay.
 
mad dipz said:
idk man what if you lose hair? that would be gayyyyyyyy. like jeff garcia gay.
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true. it would be. however, this poll has given me the confidence that it won't happen.

moreovr, I'd like to believe my exquisit facial features would be enough to outweigh any small amount of hair I might lose :)
 
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