Warlobo...............

[orca]

And any of you other intellegent people out there, help me with this if you dont mind. Estratest(I did a search for it and could find nothing), is it safe to run with a small cycle of AS, primaraly anavar at about 5 to 10 mgs a day.

Please dont leave the"why dont you ask the doctor that prescribed it". This silly "M.D." didnt even know what anavar was when asked, can you believe that.


Anyhow, any and all info greatly appreciated.

 

[orca]

Spatterson, you're funny. The MD did had never heard of anavar before.

Damn I dont have the bottle in front of me but I will find out tommorow and bump this up for more help.



Thanks.

 

[orca]

Did had never, thats some goooooood typing.


It may be time for bed.

 

[Phemomena]

if you don't mind asking your doc, you should ask him about the generic name Oxandrolone, not anavar (which was a brand name for Ox that went under some time ago). He may not have heard of that either, but should be able to look it up in a reference manual or cross ref in a database.

 

[orca]

Good point, if I cant find help here I guess calling the doc about the ox thing is the best thing to do.

 

[sww]

Doctors who prescibe without knowing wtf they're doing!!!!! Happens all the time. How many times have you listed your symtoms, only to have the MD look up his Mimms or computer database and write a prescption. I have been asked to leave the doctor's office on numerous occasions, by a furious doctor, because I deigned to asked to many questions. I believe in informed choice and consent. And I know everyone on this board does, cause that's you've learn't so much about all the stuff that we can take and so on. I've yet to find a doctor who is prepared to give me anough information so that I can make an informed choice about my prescribed drug of choice!!

I am a doctor's nightmare, btw

Rant finished....

sww

 

[wilson6]

Estratest contains a small amount of methytestosterone (2.5 mg) and 1.25 mg of esterified estrogens (mostly estrone sulfate) per tablet.

Why methyl-T is still on the market in any form is beyond me.

W6

 

[tripleV]

what is it prescibed for? if personal...never mind.

 

[DrJMW]

Unfortunately, today, healthcare is a mess. Doctors have no time for doctoring any more--they have to see tons of patients a day to make any money. I am sure that the only continuing education classes they attend are practice management seminars. There are so many drugs on the market that no one, including myself, can keep up with them all. Especially when a patient asks about a drug (Anavar) that is only prescribed in Europe. At least if you call it oxandrin or oxandrolone, the doc has a chance to look it up in the PDR.

I am not comfortable prescribing AS with estrogen supplementation if it is for BC purposes. If it is for regulating the menstrual cycle, then I am positive but cautious. Oxandrin, at 5mg daily, is a starting point. If you experience problems at that level, then you stop taking it. If you are OK, then I try 10mg daily. Email me if I can help you with the Oxandrin.

 

[orca]

Triple V and DRJMW the estratest is prescibed for hormone replacement therapy.

Wilson wrote something about methyl being so bad, can someone enlighten me.

Our thoughts were to maybe spice it up a little with a decent amount of anavar. I still have'nt heard any negative comments besides that of the methly, so is it o.k. to start the anavar/estratest therapy???????

thanks again.

 

[thebabydoc]

I sometimes write Estratest for MENOPAUSAL women who are complaining of problems with libido, although I am quite careful to discusss side effects (acne, hair growth, deepening of the voice, etc...) and limit its duration/frequency of use. Women who are surgically menopausal (ovaries removed) might be more prone to need it, as even after menopause the ovaries continue to produce small amounts of testosterone.

If you are using AS, then you really shouldn't need estratest. Estrace alone will do for menopause (if you have no uterus). You might, however get accustomed to the increased levels of testosterone/androstenedione from the AS and feel that you do need that little extra bit of testosterone in estratest when you're off cycle. Furthermore, the AS in and of itself will have a bone-sparing effect (as will the weight-bearing exercise) so the estrogen's only true role would be to avaid vasomotor symptoms (hot flashes).

babydoc

 

[wilson6]

At 2.5 mg/d methyl-T isn't that bad. It's just one of those dirty old androgens that is extensively metabolized by the liver so not much gets into circulation and has been show to have some adverse psych effects. So, why use it when there are better options (either OX or T-gel) combined with an estrogen.

I'm really surprised that BTG hasn't done a clinical study with oxandrolone (Oxandrin) to investigate its effects on libido in women. Because it is not extensively metabolized by the liver and has minimal hepatotoxic effects in low doses (10 mg or less) because of the oxo group at the 3-carbon position I would think it be a good androgen for women because there is little risk of virilization in low doses. But, the issue of bone density seems to be one more dependent on estrogen than androgens. If you look at case studies of men with no E receptors, they have bone density problems even though they have normal blood levels of estrogen and testosterone and normal androgen receptor density. Thus, an androgen that doesn't aromatize could be a problem in post-menopausal women unless it is combined with some estrogen. They could call it estravar. Hmmmmmm...........

Agree, why use estratest with an AAS? If you're premenopausal you probably don't need the estrogen and the methyl-T even at higher doses doesn't do squat for building muscle mass. 2.5mg/d will have no effect and it will just drop your HDL and add to your liver burden if you're using another oral AAS.

Rather than using estratest when coming off a cycle, why not just use androstenedione? It will provide some androgen along with estrogen. May help the libido from crashing but won't do anything for body comp. Probably still go with a dot of androgel when coming off or for bridging cycles if your doc will write for it.

W6