Volume and training natural...

[treilin]

Yes the body does need a rest and a change you can't train heavy all the time but my point is why is somone doing 5 diffrennt exercise for say hams? There is simply no need for it. For example my weak area is shoulders and biceps, for shoulders even after hitting them hard I will rarely do more then 3-4 exercise for them on a down cycle. For biceps at most I might do 3 exercise but generally only 2 hitting it with more exercise and sets then that is simply overtraining. The gains you made will suffer because of that. I am also talking about the total number of sets not rep range like I said in the first post 20 sets for 1 muscle group why?

I see noone else has a comment. Different exercises for lets say hams to hit the muscles differently, and different aspects of the muscles. The Hamstrings are 3 different muscles (4 if you want to throw in Adductor Magnus which sometimes it is). Granted they all work together but a tad bit differently. Just because like in my log I may list deadlifts, or hamstring curls doesn't detail the actual degree difference between what I am doing. Like deads on riser, bent leg straight leg, SLDL or Romanian type, Partials or full movements. Different components hit different aspects. Hamstring curls on elbows toes pointed in or out... There are minute differences that can also be accomplished. So maybe you start out with the big exercises and then break down your way of fatiguing each part of the muscle so you up the reps change exercises or other variables.
Arms I typically don't do as much since they are hit with everything else. Back to my original post on doing more volume to try and diminish the degree of growth is what I am aiming for in my arms. My arms don't need to get any bigger at this point in direct relation to my legs.
Well that's all my opinion anyway. If someone else is doing anything differently then my reasoning I can't answer for them. Then again like I said in my other post this is not 'typical' training I do anyway.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Hey maybe I am lazy but I just think it is a waist of time and energy assuming you’re doing SLDL proper form etc you’re hitting every part of the ham you do 3 good sets of that it is pretty burned out only need one set of say lying leg curls to kill them like I said just my opinion. I have never believed in the need to hit the muscle from every angle because I have felt compounds fatigue the area enough.
As for your comment on bring an area down I have always had to bring my legs down to match my upper body and I tried the 20 million set approach and it didn’t do squat. Only time I noticed the legs actually coming down is after time on the step mill.

 

[the-short-one]

Hey maybe I am lazy but I just think it is a waist of time and energy assuming you’re doing SLDL proper form etc you’re hitting every part of the ham you do 3 good sets of that it is pretty burned out only need one set of say lying leg curls to kill them like I said just my opinion. I have never believed in the need to hit the muscle from every angle because I have felt compounds fatigue the area enough.
As for your comment on bring an area down I have always had to bring my legs down to match my upper body and I tried the 20 million set approach and it didn’t do squat. Only time I noticed the legs actually coming down is after time on the step mill.

You won't have to worry about that anymore. Now, you can bring your upper body up to match your legs! Yay!!

 

[superqt4u2nv]

You won't have to worry about that anymore. Now, you can bring your upper body up to match your legs! Yay!!

That is much more fun Trying to kill my legs sucked working completely against my genetics.

 

[treilin]

Hey maybe I am lazy but I just think it is a waist of time and energy assuming you’re doing SLDL proper form etc you’re hitting every part of the ham you do 3 good sets of that it is pretty burned out only need one set of say lying leg curls to kill them like I said just my opinion. I have never believed in the need to hit the muscle from every angle because I have felt compounds fatigue the area enough.
As for your comment on bring an area down I have always had to bring my legs down to match my upper body and I tried the 20 million set approach and it didn’t do squat. Only time I noticed the legs actually coming down is after time on the step mill.

Well opinions are like you know what everyone has one... And for you maybe it is being lazy or think it's a waste but that's your opinion.

If I only did 3 sets of sldl or Romanians: I'm sorry but my legs would not be burnt out!! LMAO
When you start getting into the 300 plus numbers on deads, your upper body will give out before the legs. So what to do A) Pre fatigue the muscles B) up the volume/reps C) Switch around exercises D) manipulate tempo, rest, drop sets, reps, pyramid, wave, etc... etc.. My legs are way to strong to only be doing 3 sets to even see any type of growth. Upping the weight higher induces more of a risk of injury for my back and it's condition.

Again what works on your body is not the only way. That's why there is no cookie cutter plan or else we would all be able to obtain the exact same physique. This is what this site preaches for is "trying what works for you." Shadow has TSO on a certain plan and he even says this plan will 'NOT' work for everyone it is geared towards her specific body. Maybe high reps didn't do 'squat' for you, but I physically notice a difference from more reps on my arms, they do not grow under that environment which is proven for me over years', even back in the day pre-EF.

Everyone needs to think outside the box a tad and drop thinking there is only one approach to getting ripped.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Everyone needs to think outside the box a tad and drop thinking there is only one approach to getting ripped.

Agreed

 

[the-short-one]

Well opinions are like you know what everyone has one... And for you maybe it is being lazy or think it's a waste but that's your opinion.

If I only did 3 sets of sldl or Romanians: I'm sorry but my legs would not be burnt out!! LMAO
When you start getting into the 300 plus numbers on deads, your upper body will give out before the legs. So what to do A) Pre fatigue the muscles B) up the volume/reps C) Switch around exercises D) manipulate tempo, rest, drop sets, reps, pyramid, wave, etc... etc.. My legs are way to strong to only be doing 3 sets to even see any type of growth. Upping the weight higher induces more of a risk of injury for my back and it's condition.

Again what works on your body is not the only way. That's why there is no cookie cutter plan or else we would all be able to obtain the exact same physique. This is what this site preaches for is "trying what works for you." Shadow has TSO on a certain plan and he even says this plan will 'NOT' work for everyone it is geared towards her specific body. Maybe high reps didn't do 'squat' for you, but I physically notice a difference from more reps on my arms, they do not grow under that environment which is proven for me over years', even back in the day pre-EF.

Everyone needs to think outside the box a tad and drop thinking there is only one approach to getting ripped.

I believe in high volume training for specific body parts that need 'catch up' or don't grow as easily. I spent all of last year doing this with my shoulders/arms. (My biceps are still lagging a little) It worked.

I agree that hvt definitely has it's uses - but it can be overdone. You are correct that the same plan of action does not work for everyone, and no plan of action works forever.

 

[caligirl]

That is much more fun Trying to kill my legs sucked working completely against my genetics.

Keyword, GENETICS !!

I'm ALL natty, and for me to gain muscle I have to train VERY hard, long and frequent... I also have to eat hella huge amounts of food. My body recovers fast, but needs to be seriously over stressed to actually SEE gains. it's what works for me.