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Vid - Would you stop a child abduction?

Razorguns

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Apparently - white people don't give a shit!

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Video: Would you help a child being abducted?
 
That was pathetic and just proof positive that the average citizen is a coward because they are fat and don't work out. I would have tackled that fat bastard and beaten the shit out of him.
 
Funny it was black brotha's who had balls to help the white girl. The black male gets too much flak in this country. You're right, the surburbia american is a big fat annoying pussy.
 
That, is fukin scary.
I heard one expert once, say "Teach your kids to fight back. Even kicking, punching, scratching, will get more attention than what they say."
Guess he was right.
Real life K to those guys, if I could.
 
That makes me angry to see how irresponsible and tight assed people are. They just couldn't care less or they're afraid of checking a child's safety for fear of embarrassment in case they're wrong. Unreal.

I just let my son watch it. He couldn't believe it. That's why it's so important to street proof your kids. If that had been me, I would have been in there so fast, and anyone who is a decent human being doesn't stop to think about what may happen. It's all about the defenseless kid and should be instinctual.
 
biteme said:
That was pathetic and just proof positive that the average citizen is a coward because they are fat and don't work out. I would have tackled that fat bastard and beaten the shit out of him.

It really is more psychology than anything else. The bystander effect is a proven thing. There is also the fact that humans are just sheepish social animals who will harm themselves & others before they act disobedient or in an embarassing fashion.

Stanley Milgram ran some experiments on human obedience to authority figures and found that most people will torture someone either into unconsciousness or to death if asked to.

http://www.new-life.net/milgram.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#Results

They'd have an authority figure, a victim and a subject. The victim & authority figure were both actors. The authority figure told the subject to ask the victim questions and if he got them wrong to shock him with the shocks getting worse each time. After the voltage went to 150 volts the victim started saying he had a heart condition and wanted to quit. Then as the shocks went on the victim would pretend to scream in pain and yell for help and most people will still shock him until he passes out or pretends to die. Even after he passed out people would still shock him. Of course the shock device wasn't actually set up.

Sucks, but what can you do. That is how our brains are wired. People were sweating and terrified, some were shaking but most people prefer to torment and torture themselves and others before they disobey an authority figure. Even if the authority figure is impotent and wasn't an authority figure 5 minutes ago. Everyday people hate and are disgusted by themselves and attempt suicide, and most due it merely because something about their minds or bodies is disobedient to the status quo. People will destroy themselves and others before they disobey an authority figure or do something embarassing.

Milgram also found that if a second authority figure was present that said 'we should stop the experiment' (the first always said it should go on no matter what) that almost everyone would stop at 150 volts.

All in all, its really interesting. I'd recommend reading Milgram's book where he does alot of different techniques.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006131983X/104-4535909-8949506?v=glance&n=283155

My point is that like it or not this is how our brains are wired. Even 'not taking a stand to stop the kidnapper' is a form of disobedience when you think about it. People just aren't going to do anything embarassing no matter what the benefit. Think about it, people attempt suicide and suffer depression everyday because they have done embarassing things. You can't expect people like that to take a stand socially. Its just the way we are wired. The best you can do is create societies and authority figures that say its ok to try to prevent these things.
 
Lao Tzu said:
It really is more psychology than anything else. The bystander effect is a proven thing. There is also the fact that humans are just sheepish social animals who will harm themselves & others before they act disobedient or in an embarassing fashion.

Stanley Milgram ran some experiments on human obedience to authority figures and found that most people will torture someone either into unconsciousness or to death if asked to.

http://www.new-life.net/milgram.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#Results

They'd have an authority figure, a victim and a subject. The victim & authority figure were both actors. The authority figure told the subject to ask the victim questions and if he got them wrong to shock him with the shocks getting worse each time. After the voltage went to 150 volts the victim started saying he had a heart condition and wanted to quit. Then as the shocks went on the victim would pretend to scream in pain and yell for help and most people will still shock him until he passes out or pretends to die. Even after he passed out people would still shock him. Of course the shock device wasn't actually set up.

Sucks, but what can you do. That is how our brains are wired. People were sweating and terrified, some were shaking but most people prefer to torment and torture themselves and others before they disobey an authority figure. Even if the authority figure is impotent and wasn't an authority figure 5 minutes ago. Everyday people hate and are disgusted by themselves and attempt suicide, and most due it merely because something about their minds or bodies is disobedient to the status quo. People will destroy themselves and others before they disobey an authority figure or do something embarassing.

Milgram also found that if a second authority figure was present that said 'we should stop the experiment' (the first always said it should go on no matter what) that almost everyone would stop at 150 volts.

All in all, its really interesting. I'd recommend reading Milgram's book where he does alot of different techniques.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006131983X/104-4535909-8949506?v=glance&n=283155

My point is that like it or not this is how our brains are wired. Even 'not taking a stand to stop the kidnapper' is a form of disobedience when you think about it. People just aren't going to do anything embarassing no matter what the benefit. Think about it, people attempt suicide and suffer depression everyday because they have done embarassing things. You can't expect people like that to take a stand socially. Its just the way we are wired. The best you can do is create societies and authority figures that say its ok to try to prevent these things.

I believe that. I'm one of the few exceptions. I dislike and dont trust authority. I've always questioned authority.
 
biteme said:
I believe that. I'm one of the few exceptions. I dislike and dont trust authority. I've always questioned authority.

I can believe that.

But it sucks. People aren't bad, we are just weak. The best you can do is create societies and authority figures that are benevolent and responsible so people are obedient to them instead of destructive cultures and leaders.
 
Razorguns said:
Funny it was black brotha's who had balls to help the white girl. The black male gets too much flak in this country. You're right, the surburbia american is a big fat annoying pussy.

well said.
 
Lao Tzu, I remember reading about those "shock" studies in behavioral evolution class in undergraduate school. Those were some pretty amazing results. You know that people are compelled to act that way, but to the extent that they went along was just incredible.
 
Psychology and Sociology always ammused me. Its best not to overanalize some things. Those people are pussys and cowards. No other reason. Put those fuckers on the battle field and they will be the ones commiting treason and stabing their own in the back or deserting when their team deppends on it.

A coward is a coward...someone with loyalty and courage is an honorable individual.

Here is my Socio/Psychological perspective on the situation; People are using political correctness and excuses such as the subjects social conditioning and what not in order to masquarede the fact that the individuals in question are COWARDS.

Thats as simple as it gets. You eigher are a person who has HONOR or you dont.

Btw: IMO Freud was a sick perverted bastard. Any person who focuses on Penis Envy as a developmental theory is a sick SOB. I cant believe many in the Psych world still take him seriously.
 
MassDestruction said:
Psychology and Sociology always ammused me. Its best not to overanalize some things. Those people are pussys and cowards. No other reason. Put those fuckers on the battle field and they will be the ones commiting treason and stabing their own in the back or deserting when their team deppends on it.

A coward is a coward...someone with loyalty and courage is an honorable individual.

Here is my Socio/Psychological perspective on the situation; People are using political correctness and excuses such as the subjects social conditioning and what not in order to masquarede the fact that the individuals in question are COWARDS.

Thats as simple as it gets. You eigher are a person who has HONOR or you dont.

Btw: IMO Freud was a sick perverted bastard. Any person who focuses on Penis Envy as a developmental theory is a sick SOB. I cant believe many in the Psych world still take him seriously.
I don't think anyone was condoning or excusing the behavior. Rather, they were just commenting on the extent to which that sort of "maintain the status quo" type of behavior can go, which was the entire point of the experiment.

Calm down.

With regard to Freud, it is difinitely not the majority of psychologists who are adherents to Freudian theory, these days.
 
With regard to Freud, it is difinitely not the majority of psychologists who are adherents to Freudian theory, these days.

Not from what ive seen.
 
MassDestruction said:
Psychology and Sociology always ammused me. Its best not to overanalize some things. Those people are pussys and cowards. No other reason. Put those fuckers on the battle field and they will be the ones commiting treason and stabing their own in the back or deserting when their team deppends on it.

A coward is a coward...someone with loyalty and courage is an honorable individual.

Here is my Socio/Psychological perspective on the situation; People are using political correctness and excuses such as the subjects social conditioning and what not in order to masquarede the fact that the individuals in question are COWARDS.

Thats as simple as it gets. You eigher are a person who has HONOR or you dont.


Btw: IMO Freud was a sick perverted bastard. Any person who focuses on Penis Envy as a developmental theory is a sick SOB. I cant believe many in the Psych world still take him seriously.


presented with xxxx, most people will react and behave in the same manner.

this is why we refer to it as normal and abnormal human behavior.

these are facts which cannot be disputed.
 
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