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decaNovice

decaNovice

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i'm a newbie, but i've read damn near every post on here the past week (ok, maybe not every post)....i think i'm ready to start my first cycle.....however, i'd like some comments on my plan.....

basically, i will run a 8-10 week cycle of deca only.....i know some people are against this and some are cool with it.....considering test is not avail from my source, its really not an option (of course, if i could find, i'd stack).....However, i am wondering if it is safe to take herbals concurrent with the cycle.....mainly T3, Vaso, Taraxo (for water retention).....i'm also on Zyban (wellbutrin same thing) for smoking cessation....should i cease any of those during cycle?

my PCT plan is either LiquiDex combined with Clomid (ag guys) or either one by itself....i also want to try out the AIFM everyone's talking about.....should i use that during the cycle? what, if anything, else is suggested?

roughly, my current workout plan is:
mon - chest, biceps + cardio
tue - rest
wed - thighs, calves + cardio
thur - rest
frid - shoulder, triceps + cardio
sat - rest
sun - back, legs
8th day - rest
(start over)

i eat high protein foods and protein shakes (with creatine), etc, etc.....lots of sandwiches, chicken breast, etc....lol....i have to admit though - i'm not in 24/7 all-out-bodybuilding-mentality....i don't count calories/carbs/etc in my food intake....(not yet anyway)

my main goal is to bulk and lose BF %.....i don't anticipate this will be the beginning of a long-term life-time run with cycles....however, i want to minimize losses after the cycle by whatever i can do.....any suggestions/laughs/threats/boos welcome!!

thx! :nerd:

24 yrs
5'9"
160 lb
18% BF
very responsive body type (possibly genetics)
 
no offense but 1 week of reading posts dose not give you enough info to put together a cycle (and I have to say what you are proposing for cycle / pct demonstartes this). You need to read more, learn more ask more ?. Why are you on T3? HOw long have you been training? Do you do any type of cardio? THere is no magic pill to accomplish your listed goals. I would forget the juice until you get your diet and training into "the all out bodybuilding mode"
 
A retired pro told me "The Juice" is a tool in your tool box, Diet and training are the back bone of your tool collection. You can use different tool to complete the same taks....he went on to say "The Juice" will be waisted if the diet and training are not in check. It's like using a screw driver to take off a lug bolt....lol
 
cool....yeah i understand all that......bear in mind that i have been on a steady lifting and diet regime for right under 2 years now......i feel confident that i'm ready to take the next step.....otherwise, i wouldn't be here.....

thx for the advice....i'm looking for someone who can help me since i'm 100% sure i'm gonna do this.....

seems like everyone is trying to convince me to abort the mission....whats up with that?? :worried:
 
I honestly can't think of anyone who would recommend a deca-only cycle. No one. I think the very fact that you are considering one is what makes the other posters assume you need to do more research.
 
Some people seem to have problems running Deca alone, but me personaly I have never had a problem trial and error brother
 
decaNovice said:
i'm a newbie, but i've read damn near every post on here the past week (ok, maybe not every post)....i think i'm ready to start my first cycle.....however, i'd like some comments on my plan..... get ready, cause your going to get some negative feedback - but you will also get some pearls if your lucky

basically, i will run a 8-10 week cycle of deca only...How much and how often?
..i know some people are against this and some are cool with it.....considering test is not avail from my source, its really not an option (of course, if i could find, i'd stack).....However, i am wondering if it is safe to take herbals concurrent with the cycle.....mainly T3, Vaso, Taraxo (for water retention).....i'm also on Zyban (wellbutrin same thing) for smoking cessation....should i cease any of those during cycle? Not sure on the Zyban, but if you just quit smoking you are no where near ready for AAS - your lungs need some time to preparemy PCT plan is either LiquiDex combined with Clomid (ag guys) or either one by itself....i also want to try out the AIFM everyone's talking about.....should i use that during the cycle? what, if anything, else is suggested? Again, how much and how often - what is YOUR plan...it is YOUR body...

roughly, my current workout plan is:
mon - chest, biceps + cardio
tue - rest
wed - thighs, calves + cardio
thur - rest
frid - shoulder, triceps + cardio
sat - rest
sun - back, legs
8th day - rest
(start over)

This is total crap. What exercises do you do? WHat is your rep range and how many sets? Are you increasing weight at evey workout? Do a search on madcows 5x5 program - this will make you grow like crazy.

i eat high protein foods and protein shakes (with creatine), etc, etc.....lots of sandwiches, chicken breast, etc....lol....i have to admit though - i'm not in 24/7 all-out-bodybuilding-mentality..but you want to take steroids - great decision..i don't count calories/carbs/etc in my food intake....(not yet anyway) [SIZE=2]well get ready to start - diet is #1 and if your not logging it you will fail at some point[/SIZE]

my main goal is to bulk and lose BF %..So you want to put on weight and loose it at the same time - and you say you have been reading posts for a week....try the diet forum....i don't anticipate this will be the beginning of a long-term life-time run with cycles....however, i want to minimize losses after the cycle by whatever i can do.....any suggestions/laughs/threats/boos welcome!!

thx! :nerd:

24 yrs
5'9"
160 lb
18% BF
very responsive body type (possibly genetics)
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And there you have it
 
i hear ya kbrkbr....i think this board is "anti-deca because everyone on here are raging sexaholics" to quote another post......lol

yeah, i've read all the posts about the deca dick and all that.....seems like everytime i read about someone who got it, there was also someone who didn't get it.....so i'm split about this one.....like he said above, trial and error on a personal level i guess.....

trust me, i WANT to stack with test, but right now, its not avail......i guess i could wait.....maybe even try getting some dbol??

yes, i admit, i don't know what most of the juices discussed on here actually do.....but i'm sure all of you started somewhere..... :)

grazie molto for helping me knock some sense into me
 
scout69 said:
Some people seem to have problems running Deca alone, but me personaly I have never had a problem trial and error brother
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I agree with Scout… Trial and error.. However, I would rather learn from others mistakes rather than making the mistakes myself.

Outside of Primo and Var, I always run test as a base to any cycle. Not sure how a source can call himself that when they don’t have any Test!! I would opt for a new source, add some test then hit it!!

Run the Adex on cycle, .5mg per day should do just fine.

PCT, I prefer Nolva and Clomid standard protocol.

Liftn cuz I luv it,

Taoiron
 
i ran deca alone first cycle and was fine. then i ran with test and it fucked me up. no libido not able to bust a nut for 3 months. fuck that shit. proviron is a must if you are going to run that and i gotta say 160lbs at that bf is very bad idea to begin juice. if you were 160 6-7%bf i'd say fine you have your diet in check and you have probably been training pretty hard to be that low, but 18% at 160 come on. that means nearly 30lbs is fat so you have 130lbs of muscle on a 5 9 frame. sorry i can't picture you being lean and muscular. diet and get down to 10% at that same weight or heavier then think about juice. you don't even mention hcg or nolva, read up son
 
al420 said:

And there you have it
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wow.....now i feel really dumb.....um, ok, i think i'll just store my goods and delay this little mission until i can knock some sense in my source.....good call about why the test is unavail if the deca is there.....hmmm.....maybe didn't want to part with it for now.....i know i paid 185 for that 10/200 deca solution though.....thats just off the charts!

reason i said "bulk and lose fat" is because i've read that everywhere.....how you gain muscle mass, but lose the little fatty deposits.....or whatever....maybe i'm only reading what i want to read....haha

hey, i'm learning more and more now just from discussion.....thanks dudes
 
you gain muscle and lose fat from cardio on an empty stomach, and correct diet. i know this and ive never had to watch what i eat in my life. thats a fortune for that much deca and there is no price posting. good luck to you, we are happy to help but you have to do some research and know what you are putting in your body not to mention you really need to assess your diet and workout. steroids do nothing i reapeat NOTHING if you don't eat, train, and rest the correct way. 2000 cals ain't gonna cut it. 5000 cals of fast food will not cut it. you need 4000-5000 clean cals a day with 300 g of protein a day. then you will start growing and losing fat
 
bruce410 said:
i ran deca alone first cycle and was fine. then i ran with test and it fucked me up. no libido not able to bust a nut for 3 months. fuck that shit. proviron is a must if you are going to run that and i gotta say 160lbs at that bf is very bad idea to begin juice. if you were 160 6-7%bf i'd say fine you have your diet in check and you have probably been training pretty hard to be that low, but 18% at 160 come on. that means nearly 30lbs is fat so you have 130lbs of muscle on a 5 9 frame. sorry i can't picture you being lean and muscular. diet and get down to 10% at that same weight or heavier then think about juice. you don't even mention hcg or nolva, read up son
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LOL
yeah, i've read up on nolva and hcg.....came to decision that nolva was "overrated" from talking around....i know this is subjective though.....the BF is just something that i got from a website where i put in stuff like height/weight/inches around waist, hips, etc......screw it, i'm gonna go buy a little meter today, because that might not be right.....

either way, i think you are right....i need to diet a little more i think....will check out diet forums for now.....

man, you dudes rule!!!
 
here i'll post you a great cutting diet and pics of the guy that used it. a simple way to figure it out is can you see abs. if you can see 4 you are probably around 12% or so. if all 6 are visible but not sticking out harcore 10% maybe a bit less. if you have a ripped six pack with ab veins you are down in the single digits 6-8% depending. nolva is not overrated bro. it is essential for keeping natural test levels at bay after hcg and clomid. furthermore it combats gyno like none other.
 
decaNovice said:
damn....no shit!! just from the diet!
seems simple enough.....i'm hitting the grocery store today!!!

will update status in upcoming weeks.....

hey what is ALA (meal 2 on training days)??

and how do you guys have time to work??
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ALA.....alpha lipoic acid, sold as glucorell R from www.anabolicfitness.com
 
bruce410 said:
here i'll post you a great cutting diet and pics of the guy that used it. a simple way to figure it out is can you see abs. if you can see 4 you are probably around 12% or so. if all 6 are visible but not sticking out harcore 10% maybe a bit less. if you have a ripped six pack with ab veins you are down in the single digits 6-8% depending. nolva is not overrated bro. it is essential for keeping natural test levels at bay after hcg and clomid. furthermore it combats gyno like none other.
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hey isn't the liquidex from the AF store the same thing as nolva, just in a liquid??
 
decaNovice said:
hey isn't the liquidex from the AF store the same thing as nolva, just in a liquid??
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liquidex is arimidex bro, liquinolva is liquid nolvadex, and AF store only sells AIFM bro, not the others
 
decaNovice said:
just wanted to say.....i got drunk enough to 'administer' my first dca shot.....gotta say.....20 gauge and i was skered.......but it was nothing......

screw the whole 130 %....i'm gonna test experiment with you guys over the next 6 weeks......can a "alcoholic" make gains??? we'll see.....

lol....j/k
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are you serious here bro? please don't tell me you had to get drunk to shoot yourself with a shot? and you used a 20g needle?? why in the hell a 20g?

and can an alcoholic make gains? wtf?
 
Ulter said:
Do not use nolva with deca.
You should use the SesaPure/Glucorell combo as well as the AIFM.
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sweet.....funny i actually ordered that shiz off AF just yesterday......the combo and the AIFM.....(and the yohimburn es just for shits and giggles).....why do you say no nolva anyway?

but nah, i was bs about drunk, but i did say fuck it and pin my ass.....fuck it....might as well use what i got b4 it goes bad.....lol
 
decaNovice said:
sweet.....funny i actually ordered that shiz off AF just yesterday......the combo and the AIFM.....(and the yohimburn es just for shits and giggles).....why do you say no nolva anyway?

but nah, i was bs about drunk, but i did say fuck it and pin my ass.....fuck it....might as well use what i got b4 it goes bad.....lol
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nolvadex and make you more sensitive to the progesterone related sides from the deca
 
decaNovice said:
but nah, i was bs about drunk, but i did say fuck it and pin my ass.....fuck it....might as well use what i got b4 it goes bad.....lol
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Well - that says it all - your a moron, and will never grow untill you grow up. "Fuck it" - famous quote from all immature dipshits.... and we wonder why AAS get such a bad rap......idiots
 
thanks drrman....i'll take that advice.....

al420, thanks for hiding behind a keyboard to judge me for saying two words.....really, i just want to dabble with aas to make myself smarter......like you
 
Bro, you have to understand that just about everyone on this site believes more is better in my opinion I believe less is more. When I read some some of the drug amounts and the long period of time that some of these guys stay on for I just can't believe it. Remember AAS work better on a leaner body mass, so if you get your bf levels down naturally when you go on a cycle you body will respond and look better. What works for some of the people on this site may not work for you or me, so take what advice you are given with a grain of salt, trial and error is most important. What most of the members are trying to say is to get into good habits of eating and training b4 you take the plunge. I know of alot of people that have had successful Deca only cycles, so don't let that discourage you. Deca will work better in combination with A Test or another drug. Good Luck. Just my 2 cents
 
yeah i hear ya.....thats pretty much what i've decided......most folks have been super helpful and supportive.....some know it all or are too good or want to assert their IMODAO or whatever.....either way, based on the advice i've heard, i'm just gonna run my own experiment and trial and error and see what happens.....far as i'm concerned, a jab every five days of 200mg until i'm out.....yeah yeah, i can hear everyone now "that won't work"......i don't care.....we'll see what happens to my RA anyway.....
 
decaNovice said:
yeah i hear ya.....thats pretty much what i've decided......most folks have been super helpful and supportive.....some know it all or are too good or want to assert their IMODAO or whatever.....either way, based on the advice i've heard, i'm just gonna run my own experiment and trial and error and see what happens.....far as i'm concerned, a jab every five days of 200mg until i'm out.....yeah yeah, i can hear everyone now "that won't work"......i don't care.....we'll see what happens to my RA anyway.....
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well bro, if you don't care i sure as HELL DON'T CARE EITHER!!!
 
decaNovice said:
thanks drrman....i'll take that advice.....

al420, thanks for hiding behind a keyboard to judge me for saying two words.....really, i just want to dabble with aas to make myself smarter......like you
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First off my keyboard weights more than you...... 2nd don't post anything if you don't want opinions, and don't tell everyone that the advice is not being listened to (this prevents little guys like you from feeling "judged"), 3rd, AAS are not for experimenting. You are making a childish decision, period. And this is after several people told you what to do......go get some DNP also - YOU will love the stuff. Just experiment
 
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