Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below So yesterday was my 2nd pin of week 3 of test e 250mg. First week i pinned each ventrogluteal, 2nd week I did quad and delt. This Week i did both ventros again. The first week i had some pip but it was bearable. Quad pip was horrible, couldnt walk normal for 2 days, delt had pip too but was bearable also. So this 3rd week i thought the pip would be less but its actually more intense. Today is friday and my right ventro is still a bit sore. My left ventro is so fuukn sore that i can barely walk. I had a horrible sleep last night cus of the pain. The pinning went very smooth yesterday so i know it wasn't my technique. After the injection the pip doesn't come till about 8 hours later. It was killing me this morning driving my manual car when pushing down the clutch. The site is not bruised or hott, nor swelled. I thought the pip was suppose to be less after every injection? I almost want to stop the cycle just because of this last pin pip. The test e is Radjay Pharmaceuticals. Also i did heat up the oil before injecting. Not sure what i should do. The vials have a sticker on them where u scratch it to reveal a code number so you can look it up on their website to see if its fake but when i scratched it the numbers scratched off too on all 3 vials. I chatted with the manager of the website where i got the gear from and he didnt even know what PIP was. Seemed like he got a bit upset because he was like "we dont sell fake shiet!"
Very bad PIP every injection.....plz help.
- Thread starter LilLeo187
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I don't think your gear is fake but the UG lab probably used WAY too much BA in formulating their gear. Test e shouldn't cause any PIP.
There are 5 main causes of PIP:
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]first the shorter the ester, the higher the melting point. The shorter the ester - the more PIP[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]second, the concentration of the gear. The higher the concentration - the more PIP[/FONT]
third, the solvents used. The more BA - the more PIP
fourth, injecting too quickly
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]fifth, virgin muscle.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I would cut your losses and re-order another couple vials of test e from a new source. If the PIP is so bad that it's negatively effecting your training, the gear is doing more harm then good. Check the source reviews section on evolutionary.org if you are looking for a new source. You can't go wrong ordering from the approved sources like roid mass or nordic fusion. [/FONT]
There are 5 main causes of PIP:
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]first the shorter the ester, the higher the melting point. The shorter the ester - the more PIP[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]second, the concentration of the gear. The higher the concentration - the more PIP[/FONT]
third, the solvents used. The more BA - the more PIP
fourth, injecting too quickly
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]fifth, virgin muscle.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I would cut your losses and re-order another couple vials of test e from a new source. If the PIP is so bad that it's negatively effecting your training, the gear is doing more harm then good. Check the source reviews section on evolutionary.org if you are looking for a new source. You can't go wrong ordering from the approved sources like roid mass or nordic fusion. [/FONT]
The place i ordered from is napsgear.com. I might have to skip my gym today and rest because i cant walk normal due to the severe pain. I just dont have the funds to buy another batch and i really dont want to waste this one. Could it be i missed the ventrogluteal? Ive been looking at diagrams where the injection site is but the spot im pinning is more toward the rear side rather than the front side.
if test E hurts then that is on your source. no reason for a source to sell E that hurts, none at all.. I would ask for my money back and toss that shit out... then order some top quality gear.. check out our sister site for an approve source>> http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/s...-ii-37624.html << looking for a legit source?
I joined another forum called brotherhoodofpain because I saw that there were reps on there from the company I got my gear from and I told them that im having major pip from the test and they all got on me saying that im trolling and lieing trying to get free gear and they banned me forever. They said the Radjay gear I got is pharmaceutical grade and there shouldnt be any pip. Im quite upset right now because its my first cycle and every injection has been giving me pip. This last pin I did on Thursday in my ventro has me me crippled still and its now Saturday night. I dont have the funds to get another cycle and Im not sure if I should stop this one. I was able to deal with the first few injection pips but this last one has me questioning the whole cycle and I feel like I regret doing it.
I can tell you that is not pharma grade gear. It is sub par quality. I am sure they thought you were trolling because when someone comes on a board brand new and starts questioning sponsors it seems fishy. I am not on that forum so I cant say for sure but that's what it sounds like. Either way I would ditch the test. It is cheap to get a new bottle from a good source. Head over to evolutionary.org and check out the approved sources over there.
Yea thats pretty much what happend. I even posted up pics of my invoice and they still thought I was full of shit. Thanks man I'll check it out.
Thanks for posting that Lucus. I have been reheating the vial and maybe ive been letting the vial sit in the hot water too long and its burning my muscle or the continuing of heating up the vial is messing up the gear. Gonna try one of my other vials in a lil bit without heating it.
If you get new gear just continue on your cycle. You are using a long ester test so it will be in your system for quite some time.
DocToxin8
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Your first cycle?
as pointed out earlier in the thread, one reason for PIP is virgin muscle.
The first time I injected Testoviron (real Human Pharma test e from Schering) into my quad I could hardly walk the next day. Glute shots weren't as bad though, but did hurt some until I got used to it.
After 4-5 glute shots PIP should be minimal/absent with test e.
(As long as it's only 1cc shots at least)
if your using the exact same gear others are using and they don't feel any PIP, it might just be you that are sensitive, this being your first cycle and all.
You our could at least try to only do glute shots of no more than 1cc, alternating the glute you inject with each shot.
So if you use 500mg test e a week, (which could be taken as one 2cc inject),
instead do 1cc inject into one glute on day 1, the other glute on day 3, and after day 7 return to day 1 and so on...
And be sure that you inject the proper place in the glute as well, and deep enough, shallow injects can cause PIP and even what may look like a red bump (like an abcess).
When injecting the glute think of the glute as composed of 4 squares, inject in the outer upper quadrant. Please look this up if your not sure about injecting.
Its at least something to try until you decide to switch labs.
as pointed out earlier in the thread, one reason for PIP is virgin muscle.
The first time I injected Testoviron (real Human Pharma test e from Schering) into my quad I could hardly walk the next day. Glute shots weren't as bad though, but did hurt some until I got used to it.
After 4-5 glute shots PIP should be minimal/absent with test e.
(As long as it's only 1cc shots at least)
if your using the exact same gear others are using and they don't feel any PIP, it might just be you that are sensitive, this being your first cycle and all.
You our could at least try to only do glute shots of no more than 1cc, alternating the glute you inject with each shot.
So if you use 500mg test e a week, (which could be taken as one 2cc inject),
instead do 1cc inject into one glute on day 1, the other glute on day 3, and after day 7 return to day 1 and so on...
And be sure that you inject the proper place in the glute as well, and deep enough, shallow injects can cause PIP and even what may look like a red bump (like an abcess).
When injecting the glute think of the glute as composed of 4 squares, inject in the outer upper quadrant. Please look this up if your not sure about injecting.
Its at least something to try until you decide to switch labs.
[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]Here are some tips for reducing PIP:[/FONT]
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[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]1. Heat up the oil prior to injecting. Run the vial under hot water for 1-2 minutes. Heating up the oil will bring it closer to body temperature and make the oil disperse from the muscle into the blood stream much easier. [/FONT]
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[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]2. Gently massage the injection site for 1-2 minutes after the injection. It'll help disperse the oil into the blood stream.[/FONT]
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[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]3. I am a big advocate of training the muscle you injected into that day. It'll help disperse the oil from the muscle into the blood stream. In other words, try to time your glute injection on the day you train legs/glutes. [/FONT]
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[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]1. Heat up the oil prior to injecting. Run the vial under hot water for 1-2 minutes. Heating up the oil will bring it closer to body temperature and make the oil disperse from the muscle into the blood stream much easier. [/FONT]
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[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]2. Gently massage the injection site for 1-2 minutes after the injection. It'll help disperse the oil into the blood stream.[/FONT]
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[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]3. I am a big advocate of training the muscle you injected into that day. It'll help disperse the oil from the muscle into the blood stream. In other words, try to time your glute injection on the day you train legs/glutes. [/FONT]
So far on my quad i have minimal pip which I can tolerate pretty easily which was from this morning, but this pain in my ventro is still pretty fierce, it feels like a really big bruise. When I woke up this morning it felt fine but seems like once i start walking and sitting down it starts to hurt.
Usually, if you have regular PIP, it is either the type of compounds that cause PIP (such as test prop or winny), or low quality of the product. You just can't inject badly each and everytime, so if you get PIP with every injection, then there is definitely something wrong with your gear.
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