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Tren can wreck your sleep.
Sleep and food are 2 of the most anabolic things in the world.
Tren shines for Recomp and comp prep
@koba you want to get in on this?
This could be a good stack but I'm interested to hear your thoughts on why Testosterone wouldn't be necessary in this stack?
What would provirion do in your suggested stack?
And what would adding Anavar in there do that Tren already wouldn't do?
Anavar is very very weak compared to Tren on the muscle growth & fat loss sides of things.
From my understanding provirion in this set up will be used as an amplifier for everything else so dosages can stay lower
I agree with @Demon_throne on that Tren can wreck your sleep & that food & sleep are extremely important & Anabolic.
Have you tried Tren before?
If not you then you will most likely find that 300mg of Tren might be too higher dose.
A lot of Bodybuilders using Tren at upwards of 200mg per week will find that their sleep is severely impacted.
Most will take sleeping pills to counter this effect which depending on the type of sleeping pill that you use might impact your Rem & deep sleep.
Which can make you feel stressed out, anxious & depressed.
Tren on its own is a bad idea mate as Tren will stop your body producing it's own Testosterone which will leave you with no Testosterone in your body which means no conversation of Testosterone to Estrogen via the Aromatase Enzyme.
Low Estrogen in the body leads to decreased sex drive, sexual dysfunction, increased belly fat & significant bone loss.
It can also cause fatigue, mood swings, loss of muscle mass, and dry skin, as estrogen plays a key role in metabolic, sexual, and cognitive function.
It will also impact your IGF-1 levels.
If you really want to use Tren as the main Anabolic/Androgenic compound then start low with 100mg of Tren per week & work your way up (slowly) from there.
For beginners purposes it is often best to start with Tren A instead of E as you can lower the dose quickly if sides get too much & not suffer for a longer period of time with sides from Tren E which can take weeks to subside if you dosed too high initially.
Take your Tren as your main Anabolic agent alongside with with 75-150mg of Testosterone per week to fulfil your body's requirements for Testosterone & Estrogen without fearing high Estrogenic side effects at this dose.
Taking Tren on it's own can also raise Prolactin levels which can leave you with sexual dysfunction aka Deca dick/Tren dick.
If I were you & I wanted an awesome bulking cycle that would provide high levels of muscle growth, sex drive, strength & mental drive with Alpha mentally I would do a cycle of -
Tren 150-300mg per week (adjust to side effects with -
Dbol 30-40mg per day (split throughout the day)
For 6-8 weeks.
Dbol will provide some Aromatisation which will provide a much needed Estrogen component.
Dbol & Tren are also highly synergistic with each other with, Tren helping to keep some water retention off & Dbol giving a full look to the muscles.
Both are highly effective muscle building & strength compounds.
Followed this cycle with TRT (preferred option to keep most of your gains or
PCT (lose a fair bit of your gains but recover your own natural Testosterone production)
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This is where we differ bro I would recomend not using Tren at all.
Same sort of idea full with out looking wet
Instead I would look at running a cycle of
test (at 1.5:1:1)
Hgh
Npp (210mg-420mg)
Mast (at 1:1 with npp)
Tbol 40-60mg daily
Id have to agree with @Demon_throne tren should be reserved for experienced users and should definitely not be used on its own this is why I asked the question
The side affects for some far out way the benefits
The side affects for some far out way the benefits
That's not exactly what I am saying. Tren is like the nuke in ww2.
Fuck it worked but it was also nasty to deal with. Everyone should experement because if you plan on stepping on stage and you ask people what's a compound used for prep they will say Tren. Now you don't want to run it for the first time during prep because if it reacts bad then there goes your shot.
My main point is truly that I don't believe Tren has purpose for growth as its cons much outwhey it's benifits
Experement with it by all meals but during a "hold" cut or Recomp state is my recommendation
Every steroid stop the body producing testosterone on its own, no ?
Yes but Tren even tren a ran solo will shut you down as long or longer then eq which has one of the longest half lives.
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