Using a CKD diet and winny?? how much muscle will the winny preserve?

[M56M]

I know AS is great for preserving muscle but how much will it preserve??

I mean going no carbs makes it tough to keep muscle, so addin the winny should help. but how much??

M56M

 

[satchboogie]

good questions although very difficult to answer.

winny isnt that strong so it wont spare as much as test/deca.

but it'll for sure spare more than if you were to go naturally.

 

[M56M]

even if its Zambon winny 50mg/ED. i would think that would be plenty to preserve most muscle.

M56M

 

[macDbol]

i plan on doing 50mg eod zambon alone with ckd for the tail end of summer (half of july and the rest of august), i'll see how that goes..........still debating on throwing in 250 test with letro with it

 

[Mr.X]

I know AS is great for preserving muscle but how much will it preserve??

I mean going no carbs makes it tough to keep muscle, so addin the winny should help. but how much??

M56M

Winstrol will help in the muscle preservation process, mainly in keeping down the rate of catabolism to a certain extent while in Ketosis - catabolism being the base of the diet that is.

I would actually suggest doing 300-400mg Test Prop w/ 50mg Winny ED. and .25mg armidex ED (depending on your estrogenic response to test). It's not much, but to most uses this will yield a high anabolic environment in a highly catabolic state - Ketosis.

Mr.X

 

[M56M]

Re: Re: Using a CKD diet and winny?? how much muscle will the winny preserve?

Winstrol will help in the muscle preservation process, mainly in keeping down the rate of catabolism to a certain extent while in Ketosis - catabolism being the base of the diet that is.

I would actually suggest doing 300-400mg Test Prop w/ 50mg Winny ED. and .25mg armidex ED (depending on your estrogenic response to test). It's not much, but to most uses this will yield a high anabolic environment in a highly catabolic state - Ketosis.

Mr.X

How about:

enanthate..250mg/week <<(i have it on hand)
winny.........50mg/ED
liquidex.... .25mg/EOD

Now that should preserve muscle????

M56M

 

[macDbol]

mr. x since we got your attention, over at the diet board there was a mini debate on post workout carbs(dextrose or malodextrin) on ckd,,whats your take on it?

 

[M56M]

mr. x since we got your attention, over at the diet board there was a mini debate on post workout carbs(dextrose or malodextrin) on ckd,,whats your take on it?

i think i started that debate...

and the issue came from c-k-d .com becuase they belive that using 30g of Dextrose post workout will go directly to help replenish the glycogen storage of the muscle and not affect the liver glycogen at all, so you should not be kicked out of ketosis. They say for body builders this is a very important factor(post workout carbs) in a CKD diet.

BTW do you think the addition to my cutting cycle, will help the whole muscle loss thing we were talking about??

Thanks for the help Mr. X.

M56M