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Use Nolvadex? Nipples Puffy

enacer420nj

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I am 25 on my second cycle my first was deca only @ 300mg/week no gyno problems....I am going into my fifth week of deca/test enanthate both @ 250mg/week....after the first week in a half the ariola seems a little puffy and sometimes burning....They are not sore no lumps or anything, i hit the nolvadex for a few days and the burning went away now its back slightly, they arent getting any bigger or anything no lumps or hurting, should i hit the nolv again for like 25mg/day till the burning goes away? im currently on arimidex .5mg EOD also
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I Use Nolva 20mg Ed From Satrt Thur Pct Of My Cycle .. Some3 Need It Some Dont But After The 1st Time Im Not Chanceing It Anymore


As Far As Doseing Id Do 40mg Ed While You Show Symptoms And Back Off To 20 For The Rest Of Your Cycle Also You Could Use Adex But Ive Read It Could Take Up To 2 Weeks To Be Effective


For The Future I Always Keep Nolva And Letresol (sp) On Hand Before I Dive Into A Cycle Ive Learned Just To Run The Nolva In A Matinance Dose All The Time And I Save The Letrezol (sp?) In Case I Have Any Issues



Also By Wat Your Saying It Sounds Like You Have Too Much Estergen In Your Body See When You Took The Nolva It Didnt Rid You Of Estergen It Just Blocks Up The Receptors To Keep Them From Being Activated By Stronger Estergens So I Believe When You Came Off It Came Back Becasue The Nolva Was Not Blocking The Receptors Anymore

If This Is So Running The Nolv Will Only Be A Band-aide You Will Have To Also Run Something Else Like Adex To Actually Reduce Your Estergen Levles Of Everytime You Ome Off The Nolva Your Symptoms Will Re-appear

If It Was Me Id Start The Nolva 40mg Ed And After A Week Start Cutting It Down To 20 Mg Ed Also Starting Today Id Start Takeing The Adex And Hopefully Over The Course Of A Few Weeks It Will Lower Your Estergen Levles... Finally After A Few Weeks Of Nolva Id Start Tring To Come Off The Nolva While Maintaing The Adex Dosage For The Rest Of You Cycle (and Mabye Pct Too Depending On Your Pct Regmine) And Just Watch For Gyno Signs


***finally Im Not A Medical Expert Or A "as" Expert So Take My Opnions With A Grain Of Salt This Info Above Is Just What Ive Picked Up Dealing With My Own Issues And What Id Personally Do If I Was In Your Shooes..***
 
I would bump thr Nolva and also get A-dex or Aromasin. TYhings is though you may have progesterone induced gyno symptoms from the Deca. In which case you're beat. Dostinex is said to help, but myself, like many others don't beleive so.
 
just for everyone out there that doesn't know - dostinex is a prolactin inhibitor that is said to combat prolactin induced gyno.
 
Do not use nolva when you have progestin issues. aromatase inhibitor (AIFM, AROMASIN or Letro) and dostinex or other dopaminergic.

nolva increases PR expression (really bad if the PR is the ISSUE)
AI's reduce expression (dex is typically not strong enough in any case where there is an issue already)
 
I am taking arimidex .5mg ED and Dostinex .5mg E3D I only started the dostinex about a week and a half ago, the arimidex is liquid from liquachem, should i bump that up to 1mg ED?
 
jpr5690 said:
I Use Nolva 20mg Ed From Satrt Thur Pct Of My Cycle .. Some3 Need It Some Dont But After The 1st Time Im Not Chanceing It Anymore


As Far As Doseing Id Do 40mg Ed While You Show Symptoms And Back Off To 20 For The Rest Of Your Cycle Also You Could Use Adex But Ive Read It Could Take Up To 2 Weeks To Be Effective


For The Future I Always Keep Nolva And Letresol (sp) On Hand Before I Dive Into A Cycle Ive Learned Just To Run The Nolva In A Matinance Dose All The Time And I Save The Letrezol (sp?) In Case I Have Any Issues



Also By Wat Your Saying It Sounds Like You Have Too Much Estergen In Your Body See When You Took The Nolva It Didnt Rid You Of Estergen It Just Blocks Up The Receptors To Keep Them From Being Activated By Stronger Estergens So I Believe When You Came Off It Came Back Becasue The Nolva Was Not Blocking The Receptors Anymore

If This Is So Running The Nolv Will Only Be A Band-aide You Will Have To Also Run Something Else Like Adex To Actually Reduce Your Estergen Levles Of Everytime You Ome Off The Nolva Your Symptoms Will Re-appear

If It Was Me Id Start The Nolva 40mg Ed And After A Week Start Cutting It Down To 20 Mg Ed Also Starting Today Id Start Takeing The Adex And Hopefully Over The Course Of A Few Weeks It Will Lower Your Estergen Levles... Finally After A Few Weeks Of Nolva Id Start Tring To Come Off The Nolva While Maintaing The Adex Dosage For The Rest Of You Cycle (and Mabye Pct Too Depending On Your Pct Regmine) And Just Watch For Gyno Signs


***finally Im Not A Medical Expert Or A "as" Expert So Take My Opnions With A Grain Of Salt This Info Above Is Just What Ive Picked Up Dealing With My Own Issues And What Id Personally Do If I Was In Your Shooes..***
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good post.....
 
macrophage69alpha said:
Do not use nolva when you have progestin issues. aromatase inhibitor (AIFM, AROMASIN or Letro) and dostinex or other dopaminergic.

nolva increases PR expression (really bad if the PR is the ISSUE)
AI's reduce expression (dex is typically not strong enough in any case where there is an issue already)
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ok, I completely understand what you're saying... however, if someone is running both deca (progestin) *and* test.... how will you know if the gyno symptoms are progesterone-induced or estrogen-induced? If deca or tren are in the mix, then should one just avoid Nolvadex altogether to reduce the gyno symptoms?
 
macrophage69alpha said:
Do not use nolva when you have progestin issues. aromatase inhibitor (AIFM, AROMASIN or Letro) and dostinex or other dopaminergic.

nolva increases PR expression (really bad if the PR is the ISSUE)
AI's reduce expression (dex is typically not strong enough in any case where there is an issue already)
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Bamn! He nailed it!
 
njmuscleguy said:
ok, I completely understand what you're saying... however, if someone is running both deca (progestin) *and* test.... how will you know if the gyno symptoms are progesterone-induced or estrogen-induced? If deca or tren are in the mix, then should one just avoid Nolvadex altogether to reduce the gyno symptoms?
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By stopping one of them for a little time and see if you have gyno symptoms then you'll know which is causing the gyno if not both. If your prone to both use Letro and Dostinex to combat the gyno issues. If your prone to progesterone induced gyno then you shouldn't use nolva
 
I would not use nolva with deca or tren. There are better alternatives listed a few posts back.
 
mesco said:
how much does something like that cost?
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It depends on how well known the plastic surgeon is and how much fat is to be removed; Average price is 3-5 grand. But i wouldn't advise it. Put some dedication into your training, rest and diet and you'll achieve the same results without wasting your cash.
 
Depends on your doctor.. I wouldnt go to no cheap ass hack..Get the best you can get.. Normal gyno surgery ranges from $3500-$5000. They will take the gland out, and lipo the fat out as well. Alot of times, puffiness is because of fatty tissue buildup..
 
enacer420nj said:
I am 25 on my second cycle my first was deca only @ 300mg/week no gyno problems....I am going into my fifth week of deca/test enanthate both @ 250mg/week....after the first week in a half the ariola seems a little puffy and sometimes burning....They are not sore no lumps or anything, i hit the nolvadex for a few days and the burning went away now its back slightly, they arent getting any bigger or anything no lumps or hurting, should i hit the nolv again for like 25mg/day till the burning goes away? im currently on arimidex .5mg EOD also
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Just on some letrozole 1.25mgs ED, that should take care of the problem. :coffee:
 
so what should i do???? i ran deca before only with no problems....my nipps are just a little puffy no pain or lumps....it happened quick after my first shot they are not getting any worse....im on dostinex .5mg E3D arimidex .5mg ED should i bump up the arimidex? or use nolv HEEEEELLPPPP....
 
enacer420nj said:
so what should i do???? i ran deca before only with no problems....my nipps are just a little puffy no pain or lumps....it happened quick after my first shot they are not getting any worse....im on dostinex .5mg E3D arimidex .5mg ED should i bump up the arimidex? or use nolv HEEEEELLPPPP....
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bro, read the posts...especially those by macro and Mr.X...

try the letro...and do not use nolvadex since you're running deca.... run letro + dostinex
 
enacer420nj said:
so what should i do???? i ran deca before only with no problems....my nipps are just a little puffy no pain or lumps....it happened quick after my first shot they are not getting any worse....im on dostinex .5mg E3D arimidex .5mg ED should i bump up the arimidex? or use nolv HEEEEELLPPPP....
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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6173184&postcount=17

letrozole at 1.25mgs ED instead of the arimidex. Aromasin is too weak at getting rid of gyno.
 
Aromasin and AIFM are both quite effective at reducing and preventing gyno.
letro is as well, though its level of oestrogen suppression can be quite harsh (much more than is needed in most cases)
 
Aromasin is weak at preventing gyno. I've had many training clients who wasted money on aromasin with no results - when they ran letrozole, the gyno was gone.
 
Mr.X said:
Aromasin is weak at preventing gyno. I've had many training clients who wasted money on aromasin with no results - when they ran letrozole, the gyno was gone.
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you're saying two different things here though.... preventing gyno and treating it.... you're saying that aromasin is too weak to do either?

Macro, are there any studies on this?
 
njmuscleguy said:
you're saying two different things here though.... preventing gyno and treating it.... you're saying that aromasin is too weak to do either?
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Aromasin is weak at treating existing gyno, and it's overrated as an AI.


njmuscleguy said:
Macro, are there any studies on this?
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Did you know that most studies are false? a ton of studies on the market are full of falsified information and made up facts.

What truly matters is hands on experience, not sitting behind a computer and reading studies. I've worked with 100s of people who found aromasin weak at best when compared to letrozole at curing gyno.
 
I based my information on real life experience not on some study I read at pubmed - like you do. I'm sure you have many training clients in san diego lol :p

Most studies are false and the information made up by the authors; that's why I use real life experience, not just studies, to help people.
 
well, actually yes. deal directly with a number of people in san diego, though they are not clients since the information is given freely.

as far as your experience, one would venture to guess that its limited comparitively.

Have seen many cases of gyno reduce using both aromasin or letro, AIFM as well.
 
I'm sure you're a famous trainer in San Diego....ton of training clients banging down your door for pubmed studies. :p

I think you're highly misleading because you don't have real life knowledge, just some studies, that's about it. Just because you're well equiped to search PudMed, it doesn't mean you have any experience to back up your points. Just because you say something is true, it doesn't mean it is.

Aromasin is weak at getting rid of gyno, that's well known by people who have tried it and compared it to letrozole.
 
Mr.X said:
Aromasin is weak at treating existing gyno, and it's overrated as an AI.

Did you know that most studies are false? a ton of studies on the market are full of falsified information and made up facts.

What truly matters is hands on experience, not sitting behind a computer and reading studies. I've worked with 100s of people who found aromasin weak at best when compared to letrozole at curing gyno.
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I don't want to get caught it yet another battle... I'm no authority on studies... nor can I vouch personally for anyone else's experiences...but I have read many people's posts on various boards that aromasin was effective for them... much more so than Adex... not as strong as letro.... I've used aromasin.... it did the job nicely.... so does AIFM.... my theory is, if I don't need something that I'd consider overkill, like Letro, why use it?? Especially considering the added sides with Letro use....For those of us that are not gyno prone and don't have any existing gyno, I feel Aromasin works excellently.... now if I had gyno and battled it every time, I would definitely consider Letro.... I just don't understand how you can go from praising the use of Liquidex to recommending Letro as the AI of choice for every case.... two extremes there...
 
njmuscleguy said:
I don't want to get caught it yet another battle... I'm no authority on studies... nor can I vouch personally for anyone else's experiences...but I have read many people's posts on various boards that aromasin was effective for them... much more so than Adex... not as strong as letro.... I've used aromasin.... it did the job nicely.... so does AIFM.... my theory is, if I don't need something that I'd consider overkill, like Letro, why use it?? Especially considering the added sides with Letro use....For those of us that are not gyno prone and don't have any existing gyno, I feel Aromasin works excellently.... now if I had gyno and battled it every time, I would definitely consider Letro.... I just don't understand how you can go from praising the use of Liquidex to recommending Letro as the AI of choice for every case.... two extremes there...
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For most individuals who are not gyno/estrogen prone, arimidex works fine. However, there are many who are gyno/estrogen prone or already have existing gyno, they need to use letrozole.

I'm not discounting aromasin, all I'm saying is that it's overrated. Aromasin shouldn't be used to cure gyno - as it's weak. Letrozole is the tried and proven gyno cure.

From experience, I've found aromasin to be weak at curing gyno. Most aromasin users end up switching to letrozole if they want gyno treatment.
 
njmuscleguy said:
... I'm no authority on studies... nor ..
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Don't worry about being an authority on studies. Most studies are false, misleading and full of bias information. Base your knowledge on experience, not some pubmed study.
 
Mr.X said:
Don't worry about being an authority on studies. Most studies are false, misleading and full of bias information. Base your knowledge on experience, not some pubmed study.
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well, as with most people, my interest in a product begins with research / studies... as well as anecdotal evidence.... but the clincher is always personal experience....nothing beats that
 
njmuscleguy said:
as well as anecdotal evidence.... but the clincher is always personal experience....nothing beats that
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right on the money bro ;)
 
well since actual experience is what counts aromasin is quite effective at treating gyno as is letrozole, though many find it to be harsh (it is quite effective)
 
Whats the difference between progesterone gyno and estrogen gyno? Im guessing you guys are more concerned about it with deca then just a test cycle right?
 
well since actual experience is what counts aromasin is quite effective at treating gyno as is letrozole, though many find it to be harsh (it is quite effective)
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From experience, Aromasin is weak and not even close to being as effective as letrozole at treating gyno. Aromasin is an overrated AI, IMO. :coffee:
 
you are entitled to you opinion, though it conflicts with the majority experience with these drugs.

there is no question that letrozole, being the strongest is effective. That however DOES NOT make it the best choice.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
you are entitled to you opinion, though it conflicts with the majority experience with these drugs. .
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The majority who has tried letrozole and aromasin, know very well that letrozole is a much more potent cure for gyno. Aromasin is weak at treating gyno - that's first hand experience.


macrophage69alpha said:
there is no question that letrozole, being the strongest is effective. That however DOES NOT make it the best choice.
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Letrozole is the best choice for gyno treatment, whether you agree with it or not. I fathom you have limited experience with letrozole, that's why you always suggest aromasin.
 
Mr.X said:
. I fathom you have limited experience with letrozole, that's why you always suggest aromasin.
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that would be incorrect. Actually find letro to be quite tolerable, though have also found that many others (who have taken it upon reccomendation) have not.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
Actually find letro to be quite tolerable, though have also found that many others (who have taken it upon reccomendation) have not.
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Letrozole is the best money can buy to cure gyno - case closed :Chef:
 
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