US alliances in the future?

[Phenom78]

Who will represent our new global partners in the decades to come?

In the past it has alwasy been Europe. But they have pretty much effectively disarmed themselves so would be next to useless, even if otherwise inclined, should any significant hostilities materialize. Britian has been the exception, but I'm doubtful that the relationship will survive Tony Blair.

Discuss

 

[Gambino]

i foresee a new wave of isolationism

 

[Phenom78]

i foresee a new wave of isolationism

Only if preceeded by economic collapse.

 

[alien amp pharm]

The USA will not be in control at the time of Armageddon.

With the rise of Islam and terrorism we and our allies will fall. Israel will be in a nuclear war with Iran and it's allies which will include Russia and China.

We will be alone.

 

[heatherrae]

I foresee that our tight relationship with Britain will continue as it has.

 

[OMEGA]

I forsee that its a shame that we have to fight each other based on such preventable ego based schisms.

It is a shame when we realize the reality of the situation is that we are on all such a small speck of matter in the middle of utter lonley nothingness............

I feel a sorrow for the good that created it all, its not its fault...........

 

[mkazzbmf]

us alliances will just be the same as they are now.....Other countries where we can build airbases and pull our ships up on the shoreline close enouigh to where we can attack our enemies at close range. All of our allies are supplied by us now anyway....More of a drain than a help when it comes to resources.


Kaz

 

[Phenom78]

The USA will not be in control at the time of Armageddon.

With the rise of Islam and terrorism we and our allies will fall. Israel will be in a nuclear war with Iran and it's allies which will include Russia and China.

We will be alone.

Huh

 

[alien amp pharm]

Huh

Worldwide terrorism and the fear it creates will divide the US and our allies.

After we are weakened, Iran and other countries committed to the extermination of Israel along with the Western World will nuke Israel.

So basically our ally Israel is gone.

The other 2 close remaining allies, GB & Australia will be too weakened to be significant.

The remaining so called allies will all be too afraid of terrorism to take our side.

Thus America = no allies.

 

[boxerjake]

Canada will always be there ..... we have no choice , we live next door so an attack on american soil would be felt here . As limited as our resources are we all live in north america and thats whats going to be protected ... the rest of the world can live in a waste land if they so desire but any attack on american soil will be felt with resolve unlike anything in past history .

Our way of life will be preserved at any cost

 

[norsemuscle]

America is the only country with the will to fight terrorism. Israel is tired of fighting and is going to be destroyed. Brittain is a good ally but I think they lack the will to fight and have already been heavily infiltrated\compromised. I think the future for America is still up in the air at this point but things arent looking good. I really hope I'm wrong about Israel, but I just don't think they will be able to last against what they face.

Omega while I respect your view, you have too much faith in people. Things are going to get worse in the world in the near future.

 

[needtogetaas]

Worldwide terrorism and the fear it creates will divide the US and our allies.

After we are weakened, Iran and other countries committed to the extermination of Israel along with the Western World will nuke Israel.

So basically our ally Israel is gone.

The other 2 close remaining allies, GB & Australia will be too weakened to be significant.

The remaining so called allies will all be too afraid of terrorism to take our side.

Thus America = no allies.

I dont think takeing out isrile will be that essy.

 

[mrplunkey]

I've thought about this... and the right answer is India.

If things go unchanged, India is going to really take off, but always in a back-seat to China. With extensive partnering from the US, we could help India take off.

Hence, independently it will be:

1) China
2) India
3) US

with an alliance, you'll have

1) India/US
2) China

 

[alien amp pharm]

I dont think takeing out isrile will be that essy.

You were a preacher once correct?

Do you remember any prophecies from the bible which state that the antichrist sets up his throne in Isreal after they have been defeated?
(right before Christ's final return)

(I'm not arguing, I'm just asking)

 

[stosstruppe]

Brittain is a good ally but I think they lack the will to fight and have already been heavily infiltrated\compromised.

Care to cite examples of how we're lacking the will to fight and have been heavily infiltrated / compromised?

 

[digimon7068]

None. . .

 

[Phenom78]

I've thought about this... and the right answer is India.

If things go unchanged, India is going to really take off, but always in a back-seat to China. With extensive partnering from the US, we could help India take off.

Hence, independently it will be:

1) China
2) India
3) US

with an alliance, you'll have

1) India/US
2) China

I see it similar

The US/India/Japan with countires like S Korea and Irsael as minor allies.

It seems almost certain at this point that we lack the will to prevent Iran from developing nuclear arms, and once they do, they will eventually overcome their neighbors throughout the Midddle east. Them allied with Russia and China

 

[Spartacus]

I've thought about this... and the right answer is India.

If things go unchanged, India is going to really take off, but always in a back-seat to China. With extensive partnering from the US, we could help India take off.

Hence, independently it will be:

1) China
2) India
3) US

with an alliance, you'll have

1) India/US
2) China

I agree with the addition of japan

 

[norsemuscle]

Care to cite examples of how we're lacking the will to fight and have been heavily infiltrated / compromised?

Your country is full of extremist muslims. You have been our best ally but I just don't have much faith in Europe in general. Europeon governments are too liberal and passive, they won't react until its too late.

 

[alien amp pharm]

It seems almost certain at this point that we lack the will to prevent Iran from developing nuclear arms, and once they do, they will eventually overcome their neighbors throughout the Midddle east. Them allied with Russia and China

That is what I just said!

Hello is this thing on? *tap tap*

 

[Phenom78]

That is what I just said!

Hello is this thing on? *tap tap*

LOL

I was trying not to get into it with you because much of those prophecies are derived from the Book of Danielle and transposed to the present. As far as Catholics are concerned they already happened.

We don't believe in the rapture either by the way.

 

[bignate73]

the book of danielle?

who is she?

 

[Phenom78]

the book of danielle?

who is she?

LOL

You try multi tasking to my degree without making an occasional error.

Daniel smart ass

 

[alien amp pharm]

LOL

As far as Catholics are concerned they already happened.

We don't believe in the rapture either by the way.

I am well aware of that. However I did not know you were Catholic, which is irrelevant, just interesting.

Wether or not the Book of Daniel and the "prophecies" are true, each day it is becoming more obvious that all nations are strongly against Israel and the Western World. It may be a week, it may be 15 years, but without a doubt nuclear weapons will be used.

"Release the four angels who are bound at the river Euphrates"
and thus I saw the horses in the vision.....and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone. By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed.
Rev. 9-14,17

 

[Mr. dB]

We NEED Russia as an ally, that'll be the only way to keep China in check if they ever decide to become militarily ambitious.

 

[norsemuscle]

China and the arab nations will form an alliance, not because they like eachother, but because of common enemies. China is already giving the arab nations all of the technology and weapons they want. They will try to crush Europe first because they are weak. Next they will go after India or Russia. America will become isolationist before having to join the fray. America will try to fight a politically correct war and will lose its will to fight. Israel will be destroyed.


Just a theory......

 

[mrplunkey]

I see it similar

The US/India/Japan with countires like S Korea and Irsael as minor allies.

It seems almost certain at this point that we lack the will to prevent Iran from developing nuclear arms, and once they do, they will eventually overcome their neighbors throughout the Midddle east. Them allied with Russia and China

You're right. We need Japan in the club and I think our relationship with the Brits will remain special too.

No offense to our other European bretheren, but I think they are a bit to saddled with socialism to take place in the next economic explosion. They will grow and survive, but I don't see France, Italy, Spain, etc. etc. driving the world.

 

[Mr. dB]

We don't believe in the rapture either by the way.

Isn't that mostly a 19-century invention anyway?

Millennealists are a weird breed.

 

[Phenom78]

Isn't that mostly a 19-century invention anyway?

Millennealists are a weird breed.

I think it dates back to around 1840.

Much of it stems from Christ's reign on earth for a thousand years and the confusion that creates for non Catholics.

To Catholics Christ's reign on earth is represented by the Church. Granted that's a conclusion not all need share.

But not accepting it creates the difficulty that if scripture is to be fulfilled. Christ must come and literally reign for a thousand years (another way of saying a long time as the parlance of the day), before leaving so mankind can be confused by the devil and then the end of the world.

Just strikes me as inane to suggest Christ will come then leave just so people can be tricked by the devil. And it also creates the rational of the Rapture to make scripture fit.

 

[Mr. dB]

I think it's very probable that John's main inspiration when writing the Book of Revalations was a bottle of something.

 

[jp000]

It seems almost certain at this point that we lack the will to prevent Iran from developing nuclear arms, and once they do, they will eventually overcome their neighbors throughout the Midddle east. Them allied with Russia and China

Don't worry about Iran's nuclear capability.....Israel will take care of it. Don't you remember when France gave Iraq that nuclear reactor and Israel out of nowhere launched fighters and blew it up...they won't let it happen. When was that anyway, late 80's?

 

[Phenom78]

I think it's very probable that John's main inspiration when writing the Book of Revalations was a bottle of something.

Im as convinced it was nothing more than allegory to communicate current events of his day to his audience while giving plausible deniability for the Roman authroities.

Much if it really does easily translate to mean the current day (their time) rule of Rome in a way that would have been readily understandable to people in that day.

 

[newbie210]

Japan, whom we are allowing to build a larger defensive force, the Aussies can alway be counted on, Brits, Israel, Canadians, and China or Russia depending on which sides with Iran. Lest we forget they have a live border between themselves. India looks promising too, if we ever get off the Paki's nuts.

 

[Phenom78]

Don't worry about Iran's nuclear capability.....Israel will take care of it. Don't you remember when France gave Iraq that nuclear reactor and Israel out of nowhere launched fighters and blew it up...they won't let it happen. When was that anyway, late 80's?

Yeah

But they don't live in a bubble. They learn from failure just like we do, and have scattered the program in numerous underground facilities that seem to mandate ground forces to deal with effectively.

Its likely to come down to us, and that makes any action dependent on having a non pussy in office.

 

[Razorguns]

lol @ a communist country wanting to align themselves with us. Only to take our money bitches.

As more of the world hates us, and the standard of living in the world increases - people will less be jealous of us. You can already go to places like Malaysia and it's almost like the US now.

We are pretty much alone. Only time people want to deal with us, is if we can give them money (china), jobs (india) or military (isreal)

 

[anthrax]

Only Japan and Canada

And Japan only because they're afraid of the Chinese (and hate them too)

 

[Phenom78]

Only Japan and Canada

And Japan only because they're afraid of the Chinese (and hate them too)

Bro

You're scaring me

 

[anthrax]

Bro

You're scaring me

???

BTE every super power always ended their reign being arrogant, decadent and hated by everybody (Rome, Spain, the British Empire,...)

 

[Phenom78]

???

BTE every super power always ended their reign being arrogant, decadent and hated by everybody (Rome, Spain, the British Empire,...)

You mean they were nice, loved, and moral at some point before they fell and while a superpower?

 

[anthrax]

You mean they were nice, loved, and moral at some point before they fell and while a superpower?

Abuse of power or authority may be the prime source and true essence of moral evil

and what's scary about Japan and Canada being the last US alliances in the futures?

 

[Phenom78]

Abuse of power or authority may be the prime source and true essence of moral evil

and what's scary about Japan and Canada being the last US alliances in the futures?

I'm simply pointing out bro that all the powers you mentioned were brutal and disliked from the start. So it would be just as accurate to label those qualities as traits of a successful superpower.

The simple truth is that no one can stay on top forever for any number of reasons. Bad behavior and not being popular were hardly the causes of their demise. If anything Britians Empire fell to an even more brutal and vicious one in Germany. The Romans fell to the most brutal barbarians imaginable, as did most of the rest.

Japan isnt scary I wouldnt wish to place our hopes and security on Canada coming to our aid.


But India and a few others are real future strategic partners.

 

[anthrax]

What makes you think India will still be a US ally in the future?

India and China which were enemies for a long time through history are now making economic alliances for their huge energy needs and look for more collaborations

As for Canada with the oil sands and water reserve it will soon be a precious ally

 

[Phenom78]

What makes you think India will still be a US ally in the future?

India and China which were enemies for a long time through history are now making economic alliances for their huge energy needs and look for more collaborations

As for Canada with the oil sands and water reserve it will soon be a precious ally

India and China will always be at odds for hegemony in the region. Not to mention significant land disputes between the two.

Economically they each represent low cost labor countries that will remain in fierce competition for decades to come. China and Pakistan will be stronger longer term partners than India and China.

No one is putting down Canada brohaim. We are so similar as to make any differences absurd. Canada will remain a long term strategic and economic partner, as well as a neighbor and friend. I just don't see Canada ramping up its military to any significant degree in the near future. Nor should they. Why waste the money when you border the US. It would be just pissing cash away.

Japan however will have to and will do so monumentally.

 

[bluepeter]

What makes you think India will still be a US ally in the future?

India and China which were enemies for a long time through history are now making economic alliances for their huge energy needs and look for more collaborations

As for Canada with the oil sands and water reserve it will soon be a precious ally

Someone knows what they are talking about. Canada's oil is a huge advantage, having more fresh water than the rest of the world combined will eventually be an even bigger one.

 

[Razorguns]

Someone knows what they are talking about. Canada's oil is a huge advantage, having more fresh water than the rest of the world combined will eventually be an even bigger one.

Canada doesn't have the people (labour) and i hear alberta is going thru a crisis cuz companies have to shut down, cuz they don't have employees or wages are getting ridiculous.

if u want, we can send a few hundred thousand mexicans up there. We won't miss 'em a bit

 

[anthrax]

Talking about Japan there are huge suspicions that they are secretly planning to develop nuclear weapons

They have the technology and the raw materials

And the possession of nuclear weapons is not forbidden in their constitution even though after WWII they claimed they would never acquire any

 

[perkele]

Who will represent our new global partners in the decades to come?

In the past it has alwasy been Europe. But they have pretty much effectively disarmed themselves so would be next to useless, even if otherwise inclined, should any significant hostilities materialize. Britian has been the exception, but I'm doubtful that the relationship will survive Tony Blair.

Discuss

I forsee that when you die you don't have worry about it anymore.

 

[anthrax]

I forsee that when you die you don't have worry about it anymore.

In a not so far future we will probably see countries fighting for the last drops of oil, water or other natural ressources (if ideology or religion doesn't cause world wars before)

 

[Phenom78]

Talking about Japan there are huge suspicions that they are secretly planning to develop nuclear weapons

They have the technology and the raw materials

And the possession of nuclear weapons is not forbidden in their constitution even though after WWII they claimed they would never acquire any

Develop?

We'd give them to Japan if they wished.

 

[Phenom78]

I forsee that when you die you don't have worry about it anymore.

You know whewn I think of the Vikings, and then look at what you have become, it makes my heart sad

 

[boxerjake]

Watch " why we fight " CBC documentry ..................


You'll figure out the USA will be standing on it's own soon , you are a nation governed by your mititary now , it's a machine thats been spinning out of control since your last decent president stepped down in 1965 . The united states of america has found a way to profit from war so war it will be , even if they have to lye about why they are starting it . Your own top polititians are stake holders in companies making billions off war efforts and employ thinktanks to con the american public into believing whatever cause they put forward to go to war .

Nom was a clusterfuck war based on lyes trumped up by your own goverment .. it was a way to flex muscle and show russian the usa has no use for commies . You lost thousands of soldiers for nothing , the whole war was nothing but a bunch of lyes and bullshit made up from your own goverment .

Saddam's rise to power was made possible by the American goverment .. they sponcered his efforts against iran by supplying arms and intel .. saddam was losing that war till the americans came to his aid . The power swung directions and saddam got to big for his shoes so the american goverment made up a pile of shit to convince the rest of the world to take him out ... Another great big cluster fuck effort by your war machine .

Your media showed smart bombs defeting targets left right and center but truth be told the firts 50 missions were all missed targets , even the first assination attempt on saddam was a miss , but you did manage to kill a bunch of woman and children ... but the media potrayed american technoligy as wonderfull because your fucking polititians are stake holders in the bomb companies so they could'nt be shown as a failure .

Afganastan plays out much the same ....

American foreign policy , the american war machine and your dirty goverment lining it's own pockets at every turn is why you have to fear repercusions around the globe . Your country needs huge goverment reform thats never going to take place and the american public is going to be lyed to over and over again killing your sons and daugthers so some fat ass fuckface political prick can get richer .


You made your bed ... now you have to lay in it

I don't hate the american people ... i hate your corrupt goverment and how they want to dominate the world economy at any cost to human sacrifice .

 

[Phenom78]

Oh delete that stupid article. And stop reading nonsense from barely functional teens with their simplistic understanding of all things complex.

 

[Mr. dB]

Watch " why we fight " CBC documentry ..................


You'll figure out the USA will be standing on it's own soon , you are a nation governed by your mititary now , it's a machine thats been spinning out of control since your last decent president stepped down in 1965 .

Who was that? I mean, considering that we didn't have a change of leadership in 1965... Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, and Johnson declined to run for reelection in 1968, so what happened in 1965? I hope you're not saying that Johnson was this supposed "last decent president" because he was as corrupt as the rest of them. And he stepped up our involvement in Vietnam.

Johnson served from the time he was sworn in in November 1963, until Nixon was sworn in in January 1969.

 

[boxerjake]

Eisenhower 1961 ... sorry my bad , been a few years out of political science now .

Love to get a tape of dwights address to the nation as he went out , he made strong warning of military control on the goverment which takes place today . Pretty smart man to foresee how things were going to play out way back then .

 

[Phenom78]

Eisenhower 1961 ... sorry my bad , been a few years out of political science now .

Love to get a tape of dwights address to the nation as he went out , he made strong warning of military control on the goverment which takes place today . Pretty smart man to foresee how things were going to play out way back then .

You wrote that

LOL

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

i foresee a new wave of isolationism

We are isolating ourselves indirectly, little by little.

 

[anthrax]

Actually it really depends what we are talking about: economic alliances? military? political? and what context?

Europe would be a US ally if Iran decided to eradicate the Western civilization but may not agree on US intervention in central/south America

 

[Mr. dB]

What's so great about being a superpower? Why do we need to wield any more power or exert any more influence than, say, Australia?

 

[Phenom78]

What's so great about being a superpower? Why do we need to wield any more power or exert any more influence than, say, Australia?

Someone will be

Which of the possible alternatives do you prefer?