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up 24lbs on primo!

babbabuee

babbabuee

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I've been running 200mg primo e3d for 5 weeks and ran 20-30mg dbol for the first 3.5weeks. So for the past week and a half I haven't been taking dbols. I also stopped Ldex a couple days after I stopped the dbol because I was expecting to shed some water weight.

Well, I haven't been loosing any water weight and overall, I'm up another 4 lbs from last week. I'm up 24lbs! wow! I'm happy about that, but a bit confused about why I'm still holding so much water? I was hoping to avoid this large fluctuation in weight, which is why I chose primo. I started Ldex again yesterday and will bump it up to 1mg ed to see if that will get the estrogen related side's to a minimum.
 
If you are holding water while in primo only, I suspect your primo may not actually be primo. If the luidex helps the situation, that is a good indicator that you are not dealing with primobolan. Since primo is not a substrait for the aromatase enzyme, you should not be holding water due to an elevated estragen level. Arimidex SHOULD be worthless to you. If it causes you to lose water weight, you have been sold another steroid, and were told it was primo. You could also be gaining body fat, not water. What does your diet look like?
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
If you are holding water while in primo only, I suspect your primo may not actually be primo. If the luidex helps the situation, that is a good indicator that you are not dealing with primobolan. Since primo is not a substrait for the aromatase enzyme, you should not be holding water due to an elevated estragen level. Arimidex SHOULD be worthless to you. If it causes you to lose water weight, you have been sold another steroid, and were told it was primo. You could also be gaining body fat, not water. What does your diet look like?
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I agree, your primo might be deca or something else. Primo would not cause that much mass or even water gain, it is a very mild anabolic.
 
Good call Nighthawkk, it could very well be deca from what he described. I bloated quit badly on a deca only cycle I tried once, at 600 mg every week.
 
Damn, it would really suck if you paid all that $$$ for deca, and you would have to deal with the harder HPTA recovery.

Babbabue, what country is your primo from?
 
Yeah, it could easily be either deca or eq...both stronger mg/mg than primo and both will cause bloat to some extent.
 
its not primo lol but according to nelson he would say yes primo kicks in the day you inject and you would gain 30lbs of it lol what a joke its not primo it doesn't work that way at all
 
tigerdirect said:
its not primo lol but according to nelson he would say yes primo kicks in the day you inject and you would gain 30lbs of it lol what a joke its not primo it doesn't work that way at all
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I am sure you were just kidding around and/or making a point, but this Nelson stuff needs to stop, it is not harsh but someone always takes offense as of late so lets not keep bringing that up. Not bashing you but I just dont want to see people getting pissed. Thanks!

Clean
 
those gains, on primo and dbols, are uncommon... but possible nonetheless.

it depends on his genetics, cycle history, and diet.

if this is dude's first cycle (or first after a very long time off) and he's a genetic freak who eats all day long then sure.. those gains are possible.

in 5-6 weeks, the combo of 600mg primo/30mg dbol/6k cals a day can most certainly pack on 24 pounds of WEIGHT (notice i did not say lean body mass).
 
tigerdirect said:
its not primo lol but according to nelson he would say yes primo kicks in the day you inject and you would gain 30lbs of it lol what a joke its not primo it doesn't work that way at all
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Keep in mind that 1) everyone reacts a bit differently to any compound. Example, I gained 20 lbs in 3 weeks from 50 mg ed fina on my first cycle while my friend didn't gain anything from 150 mg ed on his first cycle using the same batch of fina as myself and his diet was actually better than mine. 2) Primo has been measured as up to 5 times as anabolic as test by some tests with only a fraction of the androgenicity. I wouldn't exactly call that MILD. 3) 90% of the success anyone has with bulking is strictly diet; the AS help but you won't get anywhere if your diet isn't up to par.
 
tigerdirect said:
its not primo lol but according to nelson he would say yes primo kicks in the day you inject and you would gain 30lbs of it lol what a joke its not primo it doesn't work that way at all
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could you please post something worthwhile or not at all.
 
I vote for eq...it just seems to make sense. I really hope I'm wrong though. Are you more vascular?
 
jubei, noticable bloat on 200 mg every 3 days? That is slightly over 400 mg a week. Maybe on deca, but not eq. Besides, he is off the dbol so, we can't account for bloating form the dbol, is goes away within a matter of days. I think it could be deca, if he is as sensitive as its side effects as I am. Or, as someone else suggested test. I'm curious about his diet still as well. A great deal of what he suspects to be water could be fat.
 
damn, I went to the gym and this post went off. I'm going to try to address all points/questions.

- first off, this is my second cycle

- started at 5'8 162lbs, 183 today

- definite loss of libido. I still get hard, but rarely masterbate.

- I did run ldex with the primo and dbol for weeks 2-4, basically started ldex when I started to feel bloated. However, the ldex didn't do much to reduce the bloat at .5mg ed.

- reasons I believe it's legit Primo
1. it's from the same batch that was tested and posted.
2. reputable source
3. turkish
4. thick consistency
5. ampules look as they should
6. seen the box it came in

- as for my diet, it started off real clean at about 280g protein along with about 5000 calories per day. I've slacked a bit in the "clean eating" department, but the protein and calorie intake is right up there where it should be.

- I'm lifting like a mad man. Frequency wise, I may even be over doing it. Form is spot on as well.

- I'm not really that much more vascular. Maybe a little, but it's hard to tell with all this extra water.

- blood pressure is still in the normal range, which it wasn't on my first sust/dbol cycle.

thanks everyone,
 
forgot to ask what you fellas think about me continuing to hit the ldex I started again two days ago?

oh and as for dieting, I'm going back to eating clean again to make sure that my gains will be more muscle than fat.
 
162 pounds guy eating 5k cals per day and training like a madman on primo 600mg/dbols 30mg.

21 pounds in weight sounds very very possible.
 
I agree with Satch, it's very possible for your size and cycle history.
 
Bump, great work. Either way, you have been putting in your time, no matter what the substance is bro, keep up the hard work.
 
hey stonecold eat dog shit you son of a jackal. You just disagree with me b/c i said a 3 week cycle with primo is stupid and you thought it wasn't, go ahead and do a 3 week eq cycle while your at it
 
yeah, on the whole, I definitely don't mean to complain in any way. I had expected maybe 15lbs of total weight gain and keep about 10. But as I am a newbie in this game, I've still got a lot to learn. I'll say this, after my first cycle I really learned how much it takes for you to dedicate yourself to a cycle. First off, it's not just 8-12 weeks of lifting hard. That's the fuckin easy part, go to the gym, lift weights, go home. Well, DIET DIET DIET, can't say enough about it. I'm convinced that diet is huge when it comes to body building. I have become a freakin clock watcher. I try never to go more than 2 hours without eating. speaking of... I gotta go eat!!!
 
Those with whom I've had contact, and still continue to say primo is useless, have never used more than 200mg/wk.

400mg/wk is a great amount for primo, and kicked off with dbol I can't see any reason why bab wouldn't have gained his 24lbs with legit methenolone (if you include a bit of water weight).

People sing EQ's praises for hard, quality gains... but say use it at >400mg/wk. Why can't they do the same for primo? Cost? Bad sources selling bunk amps?

Whatever it is, I'm sick of it. I know where you got it from, I've got some myself, and it's as legit as it gets.

-M
 
Good, because I'm counting down the weeks before I can finally start my cycle! 400mg/week of primo plus other stuff. I already have the damn primo sitting there for a couple of months!! Can't wait!
 
450 mg of eq aromatizes as much as 225 mg of test. This might not seem like alot but my friend was running 250mg sust/week and looked like a blow fish. Anyways, I hope I'm wrong.
 
on my first cycle of sust/dbol, I blew up like a balloon off the dbols and then when i stopped them after week 4 i lost some water weight. I think at this point, I'm going to wait another week to see what happens with the ldex.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
If you are holding water while in primo only, I suspect your primo may not actually be primo. If the luidex helps the situation, that is a good indicator that you are not dealing with primobolan. Since primo is not a substrait for the aromatase enzyme, you should not be holding water due to an elevated estragen level. Arimidex SHOULD be worthless to you. If it causes you to lose water weight, you have been sold another steroid, and were told it was primo. You could also be gaining body fat, not water. What does your diet look like?
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Was thinking the same thing. Alot of fake primo's out nowadays but ones that actually contain real active other substances.
 
I will say it again...primo is more often than not faked, usually with nandrolone decanoate or similar. Hence, your gains resemble that of a moderate dosed deca/dbol stack, and with high cals, there is no doubt you will have gained big.
 
Nighthawkk -

bab's primo isn't bunk. I've seen the shit, and it's seriously quality. The only actual legit stuff I've ever seen, and probably ever will.

The difference is that he's dosing it properly - we went over this time and time again to make sure he had stable blood levels ASAP. Knowing his dosing schedule (having come up with it in large part!), he's doing what one would expect for properly dosed methenolone enanthate.

-M
 
ok, fine, I can't take it anymore with this "no real primo" BS. Just cause "you" can't find it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. So I'm going to shell out the money and have an amp tested. I'm still convinced it's Primo, but fuck it, I've spent so much money on gear/food/supplements, that I'll just suck it up and pay to have one of my own amps tested. Then we will all now for sure (even though I've already seen one report out there that indicated real primo).
 
babbabuee said:


- first off, this is my second cycle

- started at 5'8 162lbs, 183 today

- reasons I believe it's legit Primo
1. it's from the same batch that was tested and posted.
2. reputable source
3. turkish
4. thick consistency
5. ampules look as they should
6. seen the box it came in

- as for my diet, it started off real clean at about 280g protein along with about 5000 calories per day. I've slacked a bit in the "clean eating" department, but the protein and calorie intake is right up there where it should be.

- I'm lifting like a mad man. Frequency wise, I may even be over doing it. Form is spot on as well.

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After stating these facts, I completely believe that you may have real primo and it takes more than a week and a half to lose the d-bol bloat and dropping the l-dex doesn't help this situation.

At 163 pounds... 21 pounds to 184 is completely believable. Especially eating 5000 calories. That is a lot of food and unless you are taking in 2000 of it in your two post work-out meals, much of it will be stored as water and fat.

I weigh 218 and easily grow eating 3600... of course I eat considerably more protein at about 400 grams.

I am sure at least 10 pounds is water and a little fat, but good gains nonetheless.
 
Good on ya, B... but we (you, me, satch, anyone else with this primo) all know the results will come back legit anyway.

Can't wait to see it test at 96.4mg/mL or higher!

-M
 
i think the reason it came out 96.5 mg last time is because its impossible to draw out every single mg from the ampule..

keep in mind that some oil will stay in the amp no matter how much you draw!
 
Sorry, didn't mean to be rude, it's just that I have friends that have gotten bunk primo quite often. I never said it isn't possible to make those gains with primo, it is just more likely to gain that much quickly with something that holds more water. Your real progress indicator will be what you have retained one month after post-cycle is over with.
 
tigerdirect said:
its not primo lol but according to nelson he would say yes primo kicks in the day you inject and you would gain 30lbs of it lol what a joke its not primo it doesn't work that way at all
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BTW, I saw the post you are referring to and you are quoting him out of context...you told someone it takes 5 weeks for primo to "kick in" and Nelson basically said that anabolics begin to work as soon as they are injected...it takes more time to see the effects of some drugs, but yet in still, it does not take 5 weeks to see Primo if you train hard and eat right. This I KNOW

Anyway Tiger post something meaningful or dont post.
BBB says he gained this and most of us know he was running a 600mg dose of Primo + Dbol - I believe him and I give some of the credit to the Primo not just Dbol. I also give some credit to diet and training.


BBB I will split the cost of SR with you if you want. email me and we will work it out if you haven't already.
[email protected]
 
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satchboogie said:
i think the reason it came out 96.5 mg last time is because its impossible to draw out every single mg from the ampule..

keep in mind that some oil will stay in the amp no matter how much you draw!
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not only that, but I recall someone mentioning a certain amount would be for the ester so it wont come back 100mg necessarily. The point is it did not comeback 20mg or 0mg of active ingredient.

I will look up the thread started by BIG BX on Primo test results.
 
Why does everyone say that only Turkish primo can be trusted?
Is it because other primo doesn't get to the American black market, or because Schering isn't manufacturing in other places?

Where else is Schering currently manufacturing primo?
 
Dr. M said:
Those with whom I've had contact, and still continue to say primo is useless, have never used more than 200mg/wk.

400mg/wk is a great amount for primo, and kicked off with dbol I can't see any reason why bab wouldn't have gained his 24lbs with legit methenolone (if you include a bit of water weight).

People sing EQ's praises for hard, quality gains... but say use it at >400mg/wk. Why can't they do the same for primo? Cost? Bad sources selling bunk amps?

Whatever it is, I'm sick of it. I know where you got it from, I've got some myself, and it's as legit as it gets.

-M
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I love eq (especially stacked with tren), but would use primo if I could get it for the same price. I'm on a tight budget right now, and no one seems to sell primo powder. Even if they did, I would be concerned about it being faked.
 
Anakin said:
Why does everyone say that only Turkish primo can be trusted?
Is it because other primo doesn't get to the American black market, or because Schering isn't manufacturing in other places?

Where else is Schering currently manufacturing primo?
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because, nowadays, schering only makes em in turkey.
rumor says that they stepped up production again in spain.. still a lil shady there as a few sources from spain were supposed to come back with lab results and never did. mexican scherings are history too!

so as far as my knowledge goes, turkish primos are the only ones to trust.
 
satchboogie said:


because, nowadays, schering only makes em in turkey.
rumor says that they stepped up production again in spain.. still a lil shady there as a few sources from spain were supposed to come back with lab results and never did. mexican scherings are history too!

so as far as my knowledge goes, turkish primos are the only ones to trust.
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I think there's more out there that's legit besides Turkish, here's why:

I bought my primo in drugstores in Paraguay, and it said Schering Germany but everything was in Spanish... the label was manufactured for sale in South American countries (the box had the health ministry's authorization numbers for Bolivia, Paraguay, etc). I really think it's legit, so it must mean that there's still some produced in other places. BTW, I got to different lot numbers, I think they were produced one year apart.

I had to go to over 20 drugstores to get enough of it, because most had run out of it and those that had it only had 1-3 amps left. One drugstore for example called the distributor (the official importer who sells to drugstores) when I was there to ask him to resupply, but the distributor said they were out of it as well. So apparently it is scarce, but it's out there.

I'll check the details of lot number, manufacturing date, and post pictures of it when I get back to my apartment.
 
anakin...

in most likelihood your primos are legit.

when i was in barcelona last year, i must have hit up at least 40 pharmacies for guess how may primos?

11.
yes... 11 fuckin primos.

turkish primos, on the other hand, find a way into the u.s much easier.
 
LOL, I know what you mean. I know every fucking drugstore in the country know.

Anyways, I think this means that Schering is still manufacturing in other places besides Turkey but at more limited quantities...

Thanks for the input Satch.
 
Another spin on the water retention issue here. You are obviously holding abit of water, but the primo should NOT cause this. You are on 5000 cals a day correct? Have you added up your average sodium intake for the day on this food intake? I'm curious how much you are consuming, and if this could be a major factor in your water retention issue.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
Another spin on the water retention issue here. You are obviously holding abit of water, but the primo should NOT cause this. You are on 5000 cals a day correct? Have you added up your average sodium intake for the day on this food intake? I'm curious how much you are consuming, and if this could be a major factor in your water retention issue.
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Very good point. If you are slamming canned tuna your sodium level will be through the roof. Also, most store bought frozen chicken is bathed in a sodium bath. Add all this up and couple it with not drinking 1.5 to two gallons of water and blammo!!! 10 pounds of bloat.
 
body/evisc, I think you guys are right. I mean I haven't been intentionally increasing sodium intake, but I would assume that since I'm eating so much, hence more sodium. I'm backing off a bit on the calorie dept, I'll still shoot for 4000 with as close to 300g of protien.
I even stopped taking my creatine. Well, ok there's about 3g of it in my weight gainer mix, but I'm not taking the pure monohydrate in addition. In the past I've noticed this drops me about 3-4lbs. I did that for a couple of reasons, one so it would reduce the bloat/weight, whatever you want to call it, now. the other reason: I figured when I come off and lose a couple pounds, i can hit the creatine again to give me a bit of a mental boost and reassurance that i'm going to hold on to most of my gains.
 
satchboogie said:


because, nowadays, schering only makes em in turkey.
rumor says that they stepped up production again in spain...

so as far as my knowledge goes, turkish primos are the only ones to trust.
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Satch, what about Greece? are they or were they ever produced there?

Nadr
 
nadr7891 said:


Satch, what about Greece? are they or were they ever produced there?

Nadr
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i do recall primos readily available in greece.
keep in mind that this was around 1998.

at the present time, the only primos to be found in greece are those that come from neighboring country turkey.

in fact, kos greece, is only a 20 minute boat ride from bodrum turkey.... :)
 
Dr. M said:
Good on ya, B... but we (you, me, satch, anyone else with this primo) all know the results will come back legit anyway.

Can't wait to see it test at 96.4mg/mL or higher!

-M
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Previous cycle I did was 300mg Deca 300 Primo and went from 5'6 153 to a between 165-170lbs. BF went from 12%-9% and I was on a low carb diet with less than 3000 cals pd.

I think 5000+ cal with 400mg of primo and some dbols a gain of 20 pounds is possible.

Again its all in your diet.
 
tigerdirect said:
its not primo lol but according to nelson he would say yes primo kicks in the day you inject and you would gain 30lbs of it lol what a joke its not primo it doesn't work that way at all
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another idiot

im on a red karma hunt this week
 
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