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cipherking
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i used tbol and i can tell u that u will need a pct. but it also depends on dosage.
cipherking
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well i put on 14lbs. and lost 1 after pct. strength went up pretty nice. but i was running 80mg. ran it 60mg the first time and only put on like 6lbs. what are u looking to get out of it?
hyp1
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lilj888 said:
not a good first cycle in my opinion...I would do a cycle of testosterone enathate @250mgs a week for 12 weeks which by the way will be much easier on your liver.you will grow like a weed with even this small dose of testosterone.
the turinabol is going to shut down your natural testosterone production so post cycle therapy has to be ran,period.
if you're not ready for injections then you're not ready for gear.
proper post cycle therapy includes injections of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - so actually theres no way around it.
Turinabol is a 17-alpha-alkylated (a carbon atom was added at the 17th position)to survive the first pass through the liver.This,of course,increases hepatoxicity(liver toxicity).why choose to put that much stress on your entire system with an oral?when an injectable would be much more safer and overall productive.
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CremasterBlaster
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The point is........if your natural test levels are suppressed even a bit, it takes time for your body to produce natural test on its own (post-cycle)......
It's during this window of time that you will lose any if not all gains as your natural test levels are "shut down"........
The biggest reason for PCT is to kickstart the HPTA to MAXIMIZE GAINS made on cycle........if you don't do proper PCT you may as well flush your gear down the toilet
It's during this window of time that you will lose any if not all gains as your natural test levels are "shut down"........
The biggest reason for PCT is to kickstart the HPTA to MAXIMIZE GAINS made on cycle........if you don't do proper PCT you may as well flush your gear down the toilet
I just wanna comment on the whole liver stress with orals thing.
People make a bigger deal out of this than need be. Orals do fuck with your liver, but not to the extent it's made out to be. If you run the cycle right( protectants, PCT ), there won't be any problems and values will regulate.
People make a bigger deal out of this than need be. Orals do fuck with your liver, but not to the extent it's made out to be. If you run the cycle right( protectants, PCT ), there won't be any problems and values will regulate.
hyp1
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lilj888 said:
what exactly was your first cycle?
you haven't done injectables have you,bro?there is nothing to worry about if you educate yourself on proper injection techniques and it's actually a lot safer for you than doing orals.
here are some sites for you that might help out
glute injections and guide-
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-glute-injection.aspx
site injections site-
www.siteinjections.com
hope that helps bro
best of luck to you
hyp1
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lilj888 said:
don't mean to criticize you bro,but I think you are afraid of doing injectables
otherwise you would have done a cycle of them(what's ironic is that they are actually much safer than orals,and less hard on your system in general)........which you just admitted to having not done.
it's a great leap of faith to stick a pin in your body and inject juice,at first it's a little intimidating I have to admit.once you get used to the procedure its really easy.........just make sure you keep everything sterile
you need to start injecting so you can run a descent post cycle therapy with HCG(you HAVE TO INJECT THAT) - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - and clomid/ or nolvadex............otherwise you're literally going to lose all your gains.
hyp1
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lilj888 said:
what's your age bro?
safer steroids are testosterone enathate,cypionate,or sustanon injectables
they are much fucking safer.........I truly think you're scared shitless of pins bro- no offense meant.
for your information you're going to have to inject that masteron(it's not an oral),and to do a descent post cycle therapy to retain your gains you're also going to have to inject HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - .......which from what you've told us you never have.
bro have you ever done a post cycle therapy?thats almost as important as the anabolics that you're doing to try and make gains........to keep any gains you actually make.
Test P, Tren A, Mast. 8 weeks = Godzilla
Period. The end. Fukc Orals. t-bol schme-bol.
Period. The end. Fukc Orals. t-bol schme-bol.
hyp1
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lilj888 said:
I've NEVER head of an 'oral' masteron...........I only know of injectable masteron are you completely sure you're not referring to proviron?
nolvadex alone for post cycle therapy doesn't cut it bro,you desperately need the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - too,to kickstart your natural testosterone production,but it appears as if you're terrified of injections.which is a damn shame
best of luck to you anyway
holy ghost
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thats a ton of weight to put on
njmuscleguy
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Couple things...
Yes, Masteron DOES come in oral... but injectable is more potent.
Lots of people run cycles without test...it's preference.... I personally would never run one without test, but that's me. There's nothing wrong with that pr-imo, mast, winnie cycle.
As for the t-bol only cycle...again, I personally would stack it with something. Orals, I believe, are best as compliments not as stand-alones. That being said, I would always run a P C T with *any* cycle, even a mild oral. Why take chances? Either a 4-week, low-dosage cl0mid cycle or better yet, Sustain for 4-6 weeks. No need for H C G.
Yes, Masteron DOES come in oral... but injectable is more potent.
Lots of people run cycles without test...it's preference.... I personally would never run one without test, but that's me. There's nothing wrong with that pr-imo, mast, winnie cycle.
As for the t-bol only cycle...again, I personally would stack it with something. Orals, I believe, are best as compliments not as stand-alones. That being said, I would always run a P C T with *any* cycle, even a mild oral. Why take chances? Either a 4-week, low-dosage cl0mid cycle or better yet, Sustain for 4-6 weeks. No need for H C G.
perryscoon
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halfcenturian said:
I can confirm this cycle rocks. I will NEVER take dbol or deca ever again after trying tren.
cipherking
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bro the primo, winy and mast should be exactly what u want. see from your first post i knew the goals u were tring to achive. its the same ones i am. thats why i did a tbol cycle alone and im about to do a var cycle alone for the rest of the summer. you dont have to have test. some guys know there body well and if u think u will put on more weight then u want to with test then dont use it. i put on 14lbs with tbol only. and yes i used test in the past 250mg and put on 23lbs. you are doing the right thing by getting other opinions to fine tune whats right for u.
cipherking
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didnt use anything else. i was 185-188lbs depending on morning or night. after that i was 210. that was 6 years ago and i weigh 205 now. i lost about 8 lbs after pct. so i guess 8 lbs was water. its was my first cycle and i had been lifting since i was 13 natty so i had a good base. thats why i say u dont have to use 500mg for a first cycle. start small and see how it works for u then tune.
hyp1
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cipherking said:
you could have used 250mgs of test and used an anti estrogen without 'blowing up' as you call it with water retention...all that would have taken is a little research before hand.I don't recommend that anyone start out @ 500mgs of test,they should try 250 to begin with and see how their body responds.
it seems as if you're frightened by test now........lol
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cipherking
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yeah back then i didnt know much about aas. had a friend that knew something about it. if i could get some good pharm grade primo i would be hitting it right now. i know this might sound weird and feel free to laugh and critize but i dont want to take something that my body already makes. i have plenty of test in my system. im only 28 so ill wait another 10 years before thinking about taking test again.
hyp1
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cipherking said:
hate to break the news but steroids in general mimic the effects of testosterone in general,by increasing nitrogen retention and protein synthesis.your natural testosterone production peaks in your early 20's and it's a downward spiral from there @28 years old you're no longer a 'spring chicken' lol and chances are your natural testosterone production is a lot less than it was when you were 21.
test is usually used as a base in any cycle and for damn good reason.......personally I think you're terrified of pins and injections but that's just my opinion.
cipherking
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well my tattoo artist my not agree with u. i will admit giving my self a shot is not fun. i usally let my buddy hit me. i also did a winny cycle which was ed injections. i didnt like it but put up with it for 6 weeks. i cant argue with u about test not being as it was in my early 20's but im a hellava lot more hornier now then i was then. plus im making good gains without it. and not all steroids mimic test. i could be wrong but if they did then i wouldnt see the need for so many different compounds. esters yeah but thats a different argument.
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