Trying for kids + Trying for Muscles (again)

[digitizedsoul]

All -


With much help from these forums and a lot of you I have done two cycles in my past. One was minor and short (test & winny) the other was a full 12 weeks of sust, winny, eq and some heavy PCT..

I had great results from all this last year especially in the summer. I was at my peak when I got married in July and honeymooned. Pictures were great, everything I wanted I had achieved (good pics for the rest of my life).

Since July I haven't touched the gym unfortuantly. Bla bla bla new wife buying a house new job I know excuses but all there non the less.

I am going to start back and I know that within 30-60 days I will be craving the need for more and I know that I can't even consider that method if we are trying to concieve. Obviously any horomonal changes and natty test level changes are going to destroy any possibility.

My question is that what types of other compounds exist now that provide good results but aren't influential on those factors?

Things like GH and IGF-1. I am extremely unfamiliar with these or their use and I am curious to know more.

Also if I am way out of my league here and need to be corrected (What? You can do roids and knock up a *#*tch, I did!) then tell me that too.

And try to keep flaming me to a minimum. I'm not a newbie entirely and I will be putting in my time before approaching these avenues but I want to get prepared.



I look terrible

 

[karter]

Diet and Cardio. This will achieve all your goals. Or you can just keep looking at those pics when you were in shape.

 

[armo72]

bump...interested in this topic also.

 

[davidbb]

Plenty of guys have had kids whilst on cycle, don't worry about it. Stay away form deca though, Trying for a kid is stressfull enough, you don't need deca-dick too.

 

[digitizedsoul]

Ok so "plenty" of guys have concieved while On?

This is THE first time i've heard that. I would love to hear more does anyone else have input?

Side note, first day back. Chest / Bi's. I almost want to complain about how sore I am, but I think i'd rather complain about how 225 for 5x5 turned into 185 for 3x5......

 

[lifthard2005]

bro, i concieved 3 times on and one ofthem was tren e at 600mg/wk. dont worry about that shit unless you have a low sperm count prior to cycling.....

 

[digitizedsoul]

Wow see I did not know that. I thought for sure it almost nulled your chances.

Whats with this "the roid store" banner I keep seeing on this site? Is it some kind of joke?

 

[digitizedsoul]

Bump more info...

I'm sure i'm not the only one wanting info on this topic... the more reports / opinions the better!

 

[galaxy]

Clomid, hcg, zinc, vit c and switch to boxers and you will always be good to go. Younger the girl, the more eggs, so that helps too.

 

[digitizedsoul]

Hmm well there is problem No.1

Never seemed to know anyone that had hcg... apparently they are non believers in it ?

Personally I think thats stupid but doesn't matter since beggers can't be choosers

 

[fckstick]

proviron is your best friend if you are trying to have kids while on. it produces sperm in the testes. i know a few guys that got their woman prego on deca! with some proviron thrown in

 

[digitizedsoul]

Really? I know nothing of proviron. Thats probably the second time i've even heard its name.

Please! More info this is great I am feeling much better about this whole scenario.

 

[fckstick]

proviron is mainly a fertilty drug also used as a sex drug. it is great for libido and getting hard muscle and dick wise. it also is a good ai for most including me. it keeps off water and bloat making you very dry while on test or whatever. it boosts free test levels up to 60% according to some studies. it makes most guys blow huge loads. it also will tend to give you more sensation in your penile area so you usually cum faster but can go a bunch of times on good ole pro-v.

 

[digitizedsoul]

Word to pretty much all that... hmm can't believe I've never heard of it..

God this site and its members are priceless.. I just need to convince her to let me spend 300$ on a plat membership :\

Ok so the cencus is that HCG and good PCT practices (a norm with me) plus proviron would, if anything, increase my chances before decreasing them? PLUS offer benefits in the AAS arena?

Anyone else with experience using proviron? What about experience using it while trying to concieve. The more I get from you guys, the more I have to work on when trying to "convince" my wife that it is "ok" for me to get on again. She doesn't want it affecting our chances, understandably.

 

[digitizedsoul]

bump..

 

[jochensa]

i dont think you have anything to worry about. my girl and i have conceived while i was on t400 and deca 300....amongst other things

 

[digitizedsoul]

i dont think you have anything to worry about. my girl and i have conceived while i was on t400 and deca 300....amongst other things

More of what I want to hear.

Keep it coming. Any scientific evidence that I can show her? Most of what is readily available is of course very biased AGAINST AAS because they are obviously viewed that way by most of society.

I'm fairly convinced at this point, but I don't make my own decisions anymore

 

[cadey]

hmm im not convinced. ive been trying for a while now and ive been off gear for 20 weeks and im still having no joy.

 

[SLAYER69!]

Depends on the sperm count, mine is low. Hitting test would be as good as wearing a rubber for me. Actually my Doc did prescribe me Clomid, but the Insurance refused to pay saying it was a drug for women not men.

 

[SpyWizard]

just made my wife prego.. i'm in pct.. but been on and off for the last several years..

clomid = production of sperm.. that's the ticket..

i'm 46.. wife is 39..

go figure..

 

[SLAYER69!]

congrats! I'm 41 and wife is 40 and we are doing IVF now. As soon as I hear one of those little bros is growing up in there I'm hitting the shit.

 

[cadey]

yea same here! as soon as she tells me that test is positive im having a celebratory shot of test and then a shot of eq just to top it off! o yes

 

[SpyWizard]

congrats! I'm 41 and wife is 40 and we are doing IVF now. As soon as I hear one of those little bros is growing up in there I'm hitting the shit.

we spent 35,000 trying that.. IVF and everything..

we stopped trying.. 4 months later, me running pct..

bam.. she's pregnant.. clomid.. it cost me my eyesight, but i can buy glasses..

 

[D_Mac]

All -


With much help from these forums and a lot of you I have done two cycles in my past. One was minor and short (test & winny) the other was a full 12 weeks of sust, winny, eq and some heavy PCT..

I had great results from all this last year especially in the summer. I was at my peak when I got married in July and honeymooned. Pictures were great, everything I wanted I had achieved (good pics for the rest of my life).

Since July I haven't touched the gym unfortuantly. Bla bla bla new wife buying a house new job I know excuses but all there non the less.

I am going to start back and I know that within 30-60 days I will be craving the need for more and I know that I can't even consider that method if we are trying to concieve. Obviously any horomonal changes and natty test level changes are going to destroy any possibility.

My question is that what types of other compounds exist now that provide good results but aren't influential on those factors?

Things like GH and IGF-1. I am extremely unfamiliar with these or their use and I am curious to know more.

Also if I am way out of my league here and need to be corrected (What? You can do roids and knock up a *#*tch, I did!) then tell me that too.

And try to keep flaming me to a minimum. I'm not a newbie entirely and I will be putting in my time before approaching these avenues but I want to get prepared.



I look terrible

Well I will tell you one thing that will help the firtility side... Three weeks into Dermacrine I impregnated my gf, just found out last night... and Spywizard impregnated his wife like day 6 of the stuff.

It threw quite a curveball in my life, some of the Derma ingredients are firtility enhancers so it makes sense... Not really what I was looking for from the product but it could help you out.

 

[SpyWizard]

Well I will tell you one thing that will help the firtility side... Three weeks into Dermacrine I impregnated my gf, just found out last night... and Spywizard impregnated his wife like day 6 of the stuff.

It threw quite a curveball in my life, some of the Derma ingredients are firtility enhancers so it makes sense... Not really what I was looking for from the product but it could help you our.

that is true..

 

[ironclaw]

proviron is your best friend if you are trying to have kids while on. it produces sperm in the testes. i know a few guys that got their woman prego on deca! with some proviron thrown in

are you serious? I didn't know it produced sperm, I just thought it helped with big loads, if that's correct I'm going to add it to my pct tomorrow

 

[ironclaw]

Word to pretty much all that... hmm can't believe I've never heard of it..

God this site and its members are priceless.. I just need to convince her to let me spend 300$ on a plat membership :\

Ok so the cencus is that HCG and good PCT practices (a norm with me) plus proviron would, if anything, increase my chances before decreasing them? PLUS offer benefits in the AAS arena?

Anyone else with experience using proviron? What about experience using it while trying to concieve. The more I get from you guys, the more I have to work on when trying to "convince" my wife that it is "ok" for me to get on again. She doesn't want it affecting our chances, understandably.

hey bro, i'm in the same situation, my girl wants a kid and I"m tring to oblidge with knocking her up, I know my sperm counts must be low, becuawe we've been together for 4 yrs, no protection at all, and so far , no kids., so I"m trying hcg, with hmg, which is suppossed to make you fertile as hell by making sperm, and clomid towards the end, but after hearing that proviron makes sperm i'll add that to the regimen tomorrow, good luck bro, I hope it works out for you, I just want mine to get prego so I can jump back into it soon as possible

 

[ironclaw]

yea same here! as soon as she tells me that test is positive im having a celebratory shot of test and then a shot of eq just to top it off! o yes

yeah , you read my mind, I mean the very instant she's positive I"m hitting it hard.

 

[digitizedsoul]

See that is exactly what i'm trying to do. The longer it takes, the longer I have to go without some real results from my iron pushin....

So proviron, clomid combined, ESPECIALLY while not on would really throw up the chances eh? What about dermacrine? I heard that mentioned. That is another i've not heard of.

My knowledge consists of test, eq, winny, letro, nolva and a handful of others including nasty M1T

Anything else feel free to clue me in on

 

[digitizedsoul]

My only problem is the same reason I have never heard of any of these before.... none of my local sources deal with them which explains why I had never heard of them.

Now that I have, it doesn't change that they don't deal with em :\

solve one problem to create another isn't that fantastic

 

[SLAYER69!]

we spent 35,000 trying that.. IVF and everything..

we stopped trying.. 4 months later, me running pct..

bam.. she's pregnant.. clomid.. it cost me my eyesight, but i can buy glasses..

Holy Shit!! 35K? I have good insurance (Oxford). They pay in full, up to 4 tries.

 

[D_Mac]

Holy Shit!! 35K? I have good insurance (Oxford). They pay in full, up to 4 tries.

considering what you boys are paying to get her pregnant, I feel a lot better about the fact that my sperm penetrated the birth control and impregnated her anyway...

I was feeling bad about the life changing affects it will have.. but now I am just impressed with myself.

 

[digitizedsoul]

Well I have learned of two new things (proviron and dermacrine) so that's excellent.

However shifting back to the topic, what is there I could do that does NOT affect horomones? I'm still in my twenties so I don't really want to mess with GH, plus the price....

 

[al420]

I have 4 kids and am on HRT..... even had a couple miscarriages while on... So 6-7 total pregnancys...

 

[SLAYER69!]

I have 4 kids and am on HRT..... even had a couple miscarriages while on... So 6-7 total pregnancys...

You have some olympic swimmers in there.

 

[D_Mac]

Well I have learned of two new things (proviron and dermacrine) so that's excellent.

However shifting back to the topic, what is there I could do that does NOT affect horomones? I'm still in my twenties so I don't really want to mess with GH, plus the price....

An update about pregnancy and the pregnancy thing, I talked to PP the other day and he said that really the new derma sustain would be the better bet for purely wanting to impregnate, and that one doesn't have the DHEA so any increase in hormones more purely natural. My brother is trying to get his wife prego and as soon as the new sustain comes out I'm gettin him a bottle, I will keep you posted and let you know if it works for him.