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hannes joubert

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Hi All, I've decided to start a new thread with a more appropriate name etc.

I will update this specific post on a weekly basis, and respond to any other posts in newer posts, so that this one can remain clean and provide easy reference moving forward

To recap:

Test E 150mg 2xweek
hCG @ 250iu 2xweek

Starting stats

10 Jan 2011
Weight 115.4 Kg's
BF% 34.69% (75.50/40.10) Feel no difference from starting TRT, but muscles do feel fuller

17 Jan 2011
Weight 115.8 Kg's
BF% 34.93% (75.35/40.45) No Exercise during week due to illness. Scalp and forehead start to become oily. Slight increase in Libido

24 Jan 2011
Weight 117.0 Kg's
BF% 33.70% (77.57/39.43) No Exercise during week due to illness. Acne starts to appear in greater numbers

04 Feb 2011
Weight 115. Kg's
BF% 34.20% (75.67/39.33) Started exercising this week inspite of illness. Experienced severe DOMS, full recovery from DOMS only 5 days after body group trained

11 Feb 2011
 
i like what ur doing Hannes it's simpler and clearer this way, keep up the good work bro :)
 
Hey there, have a look at the above figures, looks like I'm spinning my wheels dunnit? 0.5% BF loss in one month? Gaining fat and losing muscle in the week I start exercising?

I think I may not be eating enough...

Typical non exercise day would look like this:

60g of Whey powder with water split into two feedings ( 1g of flaxseed and 1g of Omega 3 fish oil, with multi vit, prostate care supp and cinnatrol supp with each feeding)
Solid meal consisting of lean protein (about 60g of meat) and carb
Solid meal consisting of lean protein (about 150g of meat) and salad with veggies such as carrots, beet, cauliflower, cabbage etc.
Couple cups of coffee during the day
Vitamin C and Calcium supplement
On training days I add an extra 40g of whey and 20g of carbs after training

Wassup?
 
well i'm fine bro , like usual . work work work.... and u how u've been doin lately? better now?
i think u should eat a bit more and spread ur meals throughout the day about 5-6 small meals per day.
start by eating 1 g of protein per day and try to increase it to 2 g within the coming days, in ur case it's 115 kg * 2.2 = 253 lbs means 253 grams of proteins divided to 6 meals or snacks per day , of course with the shakes (eat a fruit with the protein shake always or some cereal or mix it with oatmeal) it doesn't have to be 6 equal meals in protein amount but try to divided ur food intake as much as u can.
 
Hey XMan, thanks for the reply.

Yup, still sick, but ignoring that now as it is becoming reaaaaaaaalllllly boring :) Anyway, the more I look at my "diet" the more I am realising that I am probably really not eating enough...I try to eat more on the weekends, but I only end up feeling bloated and tired :( But if I carry on eating more I assume that the metabolism will pick up (especially if I continue to get the exercise in), not so?

Difficult to believe a 5'11' person close to 260lb's has trouble in eating enough hey?
 
Ok Boys time to report again.

I finished a workout 3 hrs ago and I must tell you...

I am really disappointed. No muscle pump, at all (Last week, the pump lasted 3 days!!) No energy to really thrash the weights, my poundages were way down, about 50% of last week!! If not for pure willpower I would have quit after 25mins. At 25 mins I was so nauseaus that I wanted to puke, I am pretty sure that my blood sugar was at an all time low during the workout. And this was only upper body. I think if it was lower body then I would most definately have puked.

Last week I probably had full muscle glycogen stores and my body had probably not yet filled up stores by today, six days later hence the poor performance.

What opinions do you guys have?

I am thinking of upping calories, and definately carbs, probably by means of oats, fruit and the odd pasta. Do you agree? Any advice?

Help! My workouts cannot carry on like this. :(
 
I know you're really excited to workout and to see how testosterone works but your body has not recovered from being sick yet. Stay out of the gym and rest until you're fully recovered and don't expect to fire up again at the same poundages you were using when before you got sick. The gains will will come back pretty quickly once you're 100%. Patience and a long term outlook will benefit you right now. If you just started test in mid-jan, your levels haven't even peaked yet. Your test levels will continue to climb while you're out. Your health should be priority right now.
 
i agree with rockdoc u should lay off for a while totally recover and then start slowly with a low volume program just a couple of sets of one compound exercise per day for 4-5 days a week , not more than 10-15 min workout, and yes i do recommend the caloric increase but u'll have ur appetite back once ur test peaks and maintained at a decent level, ur just in the beginning, be patient, i suffered from my AC joint for 2.5 years now and still not fully recovered and i started getting back on track this fall training slowly and lightly for 1 or 2 days per week and resting a lot. take this week off , and if u feel better next week start slow and low, for now just concentrate on recovery and getting ur appetite back,
t c bro :)
 
Thanks for the reply Xman.

Yeah, prolly made a mistake by going in all gung ho...I'll start to take it easy and see where that takes me.

Peace
H
 
Hi All, I've decided to start a new thread with a more appropriate name etc.

I will update this specific post on a weekly basis, and respond to any other posts in newer posts, so that this one can remain clean and provide easy reference moving forward

To recap:

Test E 150mg 2xweek
hCG @ 250iu 2xweek

Starting stats

10 Jan 2011
Weight 115.4 Kg's
BF% 34.69% (75.50/40.10) Feel no difference from starting TRT, but muscles do feel fuller

17 Jan 2011
Weight 115.8 Kg's
BF% 34.93% (75.35/40.45) No Exercise during week due to illness. Scalp and forehead start to become oily. Slight increase in Libido

24 Jan 2011
Weight 117.0 Kg's
BF% 33.70% (77.57/39.43) No Exercise during week due to illness. Acne starts to appear in greater numbers

04 Feb 2011
Weight 115. Kg's
BF% 34.20% (75.67/39.33) Started exercising this week inspite of illness. Experienced severe DOMS, full recovery from DOMS only 5 days after body group trained

11 Feb 2011
Weight 113.8Kgs
BF% 34.20% (74.89/38.91) One workout this week, took rest of week off due to illness. DOMS not so bad this time round, recovery from DOMS took 3 days. Body comp remains the same, but body weight reduces, probably due to incorrect macro nutrient ratios this week.
Changing workout type to activate all metabolic pathways. Will start slow and light and up the ante from there. Will start this on 14/02/11

18 Feb 2011

Figures updated...
 
Hi All, I've decided to start a new thread with a more appropriate name etc.

I will update this specific post on a weekly basis, and respond to any other posts in newer posts, so that this one can remain clean and provide easy reference moving forward

To recap:

Test E 150mg 2xweek
hCG @ 250iu 2xweek

Starting stats

10 Jan 2011
Weight 115.4 Kg's
BF% 34.69% (75.50/40.10) Feel no difference from starting TRT, but muscles do feel fuller

17 Jan 2011
Weight 115.8 Kg's
BF% 34.93% (75.35/40.45) No Exercise during week due to illness. Scalp and forehead start to become oily. Slight increase in Libido

24 Jan 2011
Weight 117.0 Kg's
BF% 33.70% (77.57/39.43) No Exercise during week due to illness. Acne starts to appear in greater numbers

04 Feb 2011
Weight 115. Kg's
BF% 34.20% (75.67/39.33) Started exercising this week inspite of illness. Experienced severe DOMS, full recovery from DOMS only 5 days after body group trained

11 Feb 2011

18 Feb 2011
Weight 114.2Kg's
BF% 33.45 (76.00/38.2) Going in the right direction, at last, see if I can two weeks of BF% decreases in a row. Managed 3 workouts this week... PS. How can I edit my first post? To keep requoting like this is not doing it for me...

BTW, My appetite is ZERO after training, is this normal?
 
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yes it's normal to lose ur apetite after training sometimes i feel like puking if my workout was intense , means i lost lot of sugars, and ur heart beat is sky high , u'll feel hungry when u cool down it could take a couple of hours , just drink ur protein shake 30 min PWO and maybe some gatorade and u'll be fine.
nice to c some improvement in ur numbers, ur back on track.
 
Hey X, thanks for the info. Yip, figures back on track. Let's see what next weeks figures hold for us, after more workouts and further dieting...Ideally i'd like to get to 1%+ per week BF loss, especially seeing as my T levels should be high normal...

Talk about adaptation response. Monday could only perform 2 sets of Barbell Complexes, Wednesday 3 sets and today (Friday) 5 sets. (Did a Tabata w/o on Tuesday, wanted to do one on Thursday, but I was toast so I rested...) Would like to improve on this next week, will see what happens. Looking to add a serious strength w/o tomorrow, to balance out the metabolic conditioning. At this moment I have realised that metabolic conditioning is probably more important than anything else for the time being. But more than that, the most important thing is to MOVE...We were designed to move, and if we do not use what we have, we will lose it, and that is an indictment on every body that, like myself, let themselves go for whatever reason...Rather try to use the exercise to bridge the problems than tossing the exercise out the window just because you don't feel like it.

Long way to go yet, but thanks for listening to the rambling.

Peace

H
 
New data. I am beginning to doubt the accuracy of the measurements though...

25 Feb 2011

BF% 33.45 (75.87lm/38.13fm)

H

Okay, went out and bought an impedence type BF% measurerererer. Whilst this may in itself not be accurate, at least there will be some consistency in measurements (best out of 3 for an average)

25 Feb 2011

BF% 32.68(76.74lm/37.26fm) 114 Kg's (Pulse 67 Bpm)
 
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Best thing you can do is buy Lange metal calipers, and do 3-7 site skinfold measurements. Impedance type BF% devices are notoriously inaccurate and should
be avoided.
 
Hey there all.

Sorry I have not posted for a while. Been out of it. Training went through a dip, that is usual for me in the past...Only manage a couple weeks of training then the body gives out.

This may or may not change now, as I am adjusting my regimine following my latest blood work (see post elsewhere)

My Total T is high, SHBG is within range, but free T is well low. E2 sky high. So, I am adding Aromasin Mon, Wed & Friday's @10mg as a starting AI protocol and will take it from there. T Ent dosage has been dropped from 300mg/w to 240 mg/w

My bloodsugar is in range, but insulin is extremely high. So to me this means that at least for the next 8 weeks I have to eliminate all carbs but complex ones, even post workout.

At least I now have a better picture of where I am going to and how to get there.

Sorry, no new data to post. Maybe next week.

Have a good one.

H
 
hey bro can u plz post ur lab results ? T , E2 , SHBG.........
and btw u'll really feel the difference once u start aromasin, just be patient , u'll reach ur sweet spot soon.
 
hey bro can u plz post ur lab results ? T , E2 , SHBG.........
and btw u'll really feel the difference once u start aromasin, just be patient , u'll reach ur sweet spot soon.

Hey X, nice to hear from you. Here are the labs you asked for. Hold on to your teddy bear, the E2 levels are scary :)

Test results:

Fasting Glucose: 5.5 mmol/L (range 3.3 - 6.0) I want to lower this to about 4...How?
Fasting insulin: 18.3 uU/ml (range 2.7 - 10.4) Bugger, this needs to come down with haste....How?
Thyrotropin: 1.27 (range 0.35 - 4.94) Happy with this
Thyroxine: 11.6 (range 9.0 - 19.0) Happy with this
S-Progesterone 0.3 (range 0.4 - 3.1) Guessing this needs to come up a bit...Dr has prescribed a cream, is this okay?
E2 327 (range 40 - 161) big problem, what do I use to lower this, at what dose, how often?
Total T 55.5 (Greater than 12 is good) Lowering dose of T anyway (Checked up, this is equal to +- 1600 ng/dl)
Free T 1.83 (Greater than 0.23 is good) As above (checked up, this is equal to +-52 ng/dl, still seems to low to me)
SHBG 15.20 (range 11.9 - 55.8) Happy with this
DHEA 4.94 (range 3.20 - 14.11) Doc wants this higher, has prescribed a pill
PSA 2.28 (range 0.0 - 4.0) Happy with this
S-Cortisol 136 (range (am) 101 - 535 (pm) 79 - 477) This needs to come up a bit



Have good weekend my friend.

H
 
To lower ur fasting glucose and insuline u just have to minimize ur carb intake and eat only low GI carbs like oats , whole bread and sweet potato in small portions.

For prog. cream , u'll be fine ur going to stop it later on when ur hormones stabilize later , i think this is due to ur high E2 , this is called estrogen dominance.

For E2 start Aromasin 3 times per week like u said above and go from there , but i think u could benefit froma boost at the beginning since ur E2 is so high it'll fasten things for u , just do 20-25 mg /eod or 3 x /w the first 2 weeks and go back to 10-12.5 mg /eod.

Good decision to lower ur Test dose to 250mg or even 200mg.

Free T is good but it'll get even better once starting Aromasin since it'll lower ur SHBG too.

DHEA is the parent of the sex steroids (androgens and estrogens) u need it for natural production , but ur on HRT anyway dunno y ur doc wanna raise seems there's another purpose for it, but i also think ur goin to stop too later on.

As for cortisol once ur hormones have balanced and ur system reach his new homeostasis (anabolism = catabolism) ur cortisol levels will ramp up a bit.

Have a nice weekend too my friend :)
 
Hey there all, trust everyone is well?

I have borrowed a new dangfangled blood pressure matjin seeing as my bp has been problematic in the past, and now that I am on HRT things could be even worse....

(BTW, I have also stopped smoking for about 4 weeks now....)

So, back to the blood pressure:

Took three measurements today, one upon waking and then one every other hour or so.

Average came in @ 130/74 with pulse being 66 bpm. Not bad considering the extra weight that I am carrying around.

To update on the hormone therapy side, (I have just finished front loading the Aromasin by taking 20mg 3 x week for two weeks) Aromasin @ 20 mg prior to the hCG, hCG @ 250iu prior to Test E pin, with Test pin following this and having been lowered to 90mgs Test E twice a week,
Decided to start with Aromasin in order to destroy the Aromatase enzyme before adding aromatizable products, hCG & Test. Will see how this goes.

Still no real increase in energy and vitality though, but this will probably only come with a decreased bf% not so?

Anyway, there you go, latest news and reviews.

Talk soon.

H
 
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Hey there all, trust everyone is well?

I have borrowed a new dangfangled blood pressure matjin seeing as my bp has been problematic in the past, and now that I am on HRT things could be even worse....

(BTW, I have also stopped smoking for about 4 weeks now....)

So, back to the blood pressure:

Took three measurements today, one upon waking and then one every other hour or so.

Average came in @ 130/74 with pulse being 66 bpm. Not bad considering the extra weight that I am carrying around.

To update on the hormone therapy side, (I have just finished front loading the Aromasin by taking 20mg 3 x week for two weeks) Aromasin @ 20 mg prior to the hCG, hCG @ 250iu prior to Test E pin, with Test pin following this and having been lowered to 90mgs Test E twice a week,
Decided to start with Aromasin in order to destroy the Aromatase enzyme before adding aromatizable products, hCG & Test. Will see how this goes.

Still no real increase in energy and vitality though, but this will probably only come with a decreased bf% not so?

Anyway, there you go, latest news and reviews.

Talk soon.

H
ur BP is gr8 , i'm always around 140/80-90 and i'm 200 lbs 32 yo, maybe i need to stop smoking too , just tell me how the hell did u do it :D i tried a thousand time man and i always end up smoking again, i barely stopped for a week once lol how weak i am and i hate that i wish there's a true therapy for this addiction.

and btw i want to share a tip with u to help u boost ur morale and ur energy , try to supplement urself with phenylethylamine hcl it's a modified phenyl alanine amino that convert to dopamine naturally in ur body, this is what u find in chocolate but in very small quantities, believe me it'll change ur mood a lot supplement it during the day but not at night or close to bed time, and another supp. is the 5-htp (5 hydroxytryptophan) it's a modified tryptophan just like what happens in ur body b4 converting to serotonin , small amounts during the day will give u a great sense of well being and the large dose during the night it'll help u sleep a lot, these supps r better than all ssri's orr any nootropic.
 
ur BP is gr8 , i'm always around 140/80-90 and i'm 200 lbs 32 yo, maybe i need to stop smoking too , just tell me how the hell did u do it :D i tried a thousand time man and i always end up smoking again, i barely stopped for a week once lol how weak i am and i hate that i wish there's a true therapy for this addiction.

and btw i want to share a tip with u to help u boost ur morale and ur energy , try to supplement urself with phenylethylamine hcl it's a modified phenyl alanine amino that convert to dopamine naturally in ur body, this is what u find in chocolate but in very small quantities, believe me it'll change ur mood a lot supplement it during the day but not at night or close to bed time, and another supp. is the 5-htp (5 hydroxytryptophan) it's a modified tryptophan just like what happens in ur body b4 converting to serotonin , small amounts during the day will give u a great sense of well being and the large dose during the night it'll help u sleep a lot, these supps r better than all ssri's orr any nootropic.

Hey X, thanks for the compliment re BP.

Let me be the first to tell you that there is nothing that compares to having a smoke after dinner, or after sex, or after an argument, or with a drink, or after waking up, or driving with the tunes on, sitting quietly on the porch whilst the sun is going down, and so I can go on and on (for me at least). Only two things come close, and they both involve the female anatomy :D I just found, for me, the pain of giving up was finally less than the pain of continuing to smoke (i.e. cost, cost & more cost (tax makes up 50% of the price here in SA) as well as the other side effects) Having said that, the smoking (and coffee btw) I believe played a large role in my BP problems...

Thanks for those two supplements, will look into getting me some of those down the road...

Cheers
H
 
u know the first thing i do upon wakeup is drinking my coffee and smoking a couple of cigs even b4 breakfast , i think raising dopamine and serotonin levels in the brain helps avoiding these bad habits (smoking, drinking , drugs, overeating....) cuz u'll feel u don't need this high u get from them , i feel it once i start taking dostinex i don't feel the urge to get high cuuz i already feels high and euphoric but the things is dost feeling fade with time and it can lowers a lot ur prolac and suppress ur immunity so i have to stop it from time to time, anf it also turn me to a sex freak , very hypersexual , i liked it at the beginning but it gets annoying later on cuz u can't focus on what's going on arround cuz ur always thinking about sex:D , i think the more natural way to improve our mental health is by supplementing these amino's in small quantities, i tried it once for about 2 months it felt good it helped a lot a friend of mine brought it to me from china when he was there , but i'm out of it and it's been long and i can't find a supplier that ship to my country. look for the bulk powder offers they're cheap and last forever , forget about the caps or a supp that contains them with many other BS stuff that sells for a high price as a fat burner or something else.
 
Hey there, new data as of today (measurements taken upon waking):

Blood Pressure/pulse 122/70-55
Blood sugar: 8.2!! (over did the eating thing this weekend, oops)
Weight: 114.2kg's
Body Fat: 33.7% (38.48/75.72) (178/118/43.5)

Got some serious work to do still. But the Adrenal Fatigue thread has changed my mind re the exercise and diet. Will be changing approach accordingly and let you know how it goes, but what the changes are, are highly top secret stuff that I would have to kill for if I told you :)

Cheers

H
 
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Hey All.

New measurements:
Blood Pressure/pulse 119/76-65 (Upon waking as per prior week: 101/67-53)
Blood sugar: 4.6
Weight: 108.2kg's (114.2-108.2=6kg's)
Body Fat: 32.42% (35.08/73.12) (178/114/42.0)

6Kg's in one week, very rapid, but not worried, mostly water and bloat me thinks...Next week is the real test.
Have excluded only processed foods and softdrinks (all types). Have also thrown in a calorie deficit.

H
 
that's a nice improvement and a good decision to cut out processed food, i see motivation over here :) keep up the good work bro.
 
that's a nice improvement and a good decision to cut out processed food, i see motivation over here :) keep up the good work bro.

Thanks X.

But you jinxed me :D We have crappy weather over here in SA during the long weekend and all that is left to do is to watch TV and EAT (too broke to go anywhere/do anything)

Will see what happens on Monday morning re updates

H
 
Hey All.

New measurements:
Weight: 108.2kg's (114.2-108.2=6kg's)
Body Fat: 32.42% (35.08/73.12) (178/114/42.0)

New measurements
Weight 108.8kg's (114.2-108.8=5.4Kg's)
Body Fat:32.16% (34.99/73.81)(178/113.5/42.0)

Small weight creep, but not concerned as I increased my cals a bit from priot week, bf% is going in the right direction at least.

Forgot to measure BP and blood sugar, but will prolly be the same.

H
 
'Kay, as per adrenal fatigue post, I am going to concentrate on losing fat and improving bf% for the next 30 days and then looking at my adrenals again.

So, having said that, I will only post results again in 30 days or so...

How do I post photo's?

Cheers
H
 
Hi All, guys, gals...

So, it has been 40 days since my last post.

During this time, I took the opportunity to reflect on what it was that I was doing, especially after Zyglamail's observation that I was suffering from analysis paralysis :) So I went back to the drawing board in the Bat cave and realised that whilst it may work for some/most people, I myself cannot aim to attain multiple goals simultaneously...So, I have created a road map for myself that concentrates on specific phases with specific goals that are measurable...I will reveal these phases as I have completed them. I do it this way only because I want to avoid getting to much information again, and possibly derail myself. It is true that whilst most people, in general only want to help, there are so many disparate views on what and what not to do, that it is impossible to follow all of them. So, I have created the plan and will follow it, and will reveal results along with what I did and how I did it after the phase, if anyone is interested.

So, 1st phase (Catabolic Phase) was 40 days.
Goals: To decrease insulin insensitivity; to improve bad eating habits; to give glands a rest (especially adrenals); to give organs a rest (especially liver given exogenous T); to give body a rest; to clear mind; to decrease BF
Modalities: Day 1 - Day 14, Master Cleanse detox diet; Day 15 - Day 36, Water Fast; Day 37 - Day 40, re-introduce fruit & veggies via juice and small portion solids. (Coffee (de-caf) and rooibos tea, with milk re-introduced at day 24 to date) I must say, you get a renewed appreciation for food and the different tastes after such a prolonged fast...Man it was good to take solids again ;)
Exercise: No planned workouts, did body weight as and when fancy took me, but stayed physically active througout. No drop in max effort strength but endurance was affected, obviously. But new vitality appeared at around day 28. Which is a bonus as this is one of the big things that was missing from my life.

Anyway, I ended up with the following at the end of this phase: (Keep in mind that I was 91.4 before taking solids and carbing up for 3 days, so lean mass below was actually 3.6Kg's less @ 69.379...)

Weight: 95 Kg's
BF%: 23.184
FMass: 22.021 Kg
LMass: 72.979
Dropped from a 38 inch pant size to a loose fitting 34 inch pant size.

So, there you have it. Not bad I think, especially compared to last measurements in previous post?

Phase 2 is the stabilisation phase. Will report back once that phase is finished.

Any comments are welcome, take care.

Thanks
H

PS. Finished the Aromasin course of 20mg M,W,F and the TRT dosage is now stable at 180mg/week.
 
Kay, stabilisation phase is complete...

New data:
Weight: 99.3 Kg's
BF%: 20.91
FMass: 20.76 Kg
LMass: 78.54 Kg

So everything is headed in the right direction. The weight gain I put down to rehydration of muscles and further glycogen replenishment. I see a definite growth in arms, chest and legs, maybe back too, but can't physically see that...Still fitting into my 34 inch pants and the belt is down to the last peg. Unfortunately I did not take muscle measurements after the fast to see the difference in comparison to today and going forward. At least the veins in my shoulders, biceps and forearms are starting to pop out during exercise. Never had that before....

During the last 3 weeks or so I ate pretty clean during the week, made use of IF and exercised 6 days out of 7 in the week. Tabata once a week, slow cardio everyday and weights every other day. My aim was to hit all three metabolic pathways. I do find that the Tabata smokes me for at least two days (hence my question re supporting the CNS)

I have not strung together 3 weeks of exercise in a VERY long time, so I am chuffed with that effort. I put it down to BCAA's before and after working out, as well as protein and carbs post exercise in liquid form and my biggest meal after the exercise. If I could just get rid of the fatigue post Tabata that would help with motivation, as for me, it takes a mammoth effort to get into the gym the day after Tabata.

Next phase is focussed fat loss. Dropping the rest days, cycling macronutrients throughout the diet cycle as well as during the day. Going mostly low carb, but with a high carb refeed once a week. Plan is to continue with the 3 metabolic pathway exercise plan, but may add or drop certain exercises to prevent adaptation by the body. Also adding an ECA stack during this phase.

So what do you think, is the progress par for the course, or am I a bit behind the curve?

PS ito HRT. All things remain equal so far. Still only making use of 180mg/ml Test E per week (300mg/ml concentration). No other items being used.

Peace,

H
 
Eish....
All was going swimmingly until I developed an abcess in one of my molars... :(

So, going to finish the course of antibiotics for 7days, have the tooth removed (plenty of mechanical damage, so it cannot be saved) and will then get back with the program.

Don't want to sound like a sissy, but the pounding in the jaw during heavy (for me at least) compounds is not kosher....

Will keep all up to date.
H
 
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