Tren Gyno Prevention. Read.

[Phys PhD]

lets keep this thread alive
i have never heard tren lowers t3 ,whitch seems odd because of trens fat burning effect
i wonder if there are any studies that prove this

The link that was given cites Heitzman RJ, Donaldson IA, Hart IC (1980). This study was done on heiffers and steers and is published in some vet journal I have never heard of--take this one with a grain of salt, fellas. I'd test this theory by getting blood work done mid-cycle.

 

[toxicsambo]

The link that was given cites Heitzman RJ, Donaldson IA, Hart IC (1980). This study was done on heiffers and steers and is published in some vet journal I have never heard of--take this one with a grain of salt, fellas. I'd test this theory by getting blood work done mid-cycle.

The study was done on sheep. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=7017853

ANother article I found

" Steers and heifers were seven 300 mg TBA by s.c. implantation. An
additional group of steers was given implants containing 140 mg TBA +
20 mg estradiol-17ß. In all groups, plasma urea was decreased during
the 9-week observation period after treatment. Other plasma parameters
(glucose, calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, sodium, potassium, and total
protein) were unaffected. No changes in plasma concentrations of
insulin or growth hormone were seen. A decrease in thyroxine levels in
steers was observed during the 9-week observation period after
treatment; the decrease was most marked in those administered TBA and
estradiol-17ß in combination. A marked reduction, about -50%, in
thymus weight was observed in steers (Heitzman, 1975)."
http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/v23je03.htm

Arent the purpose of animal studies done to help human medicine? I wouldnt blow it off and it seems credible to me. But that's me, I keep an open mind on things.

 

[Ulter]

No. Especially since the drug is not approved nor seeking approval in humans.

They don't test in cattle for human extrapolation. Rats maybe.

 

[Phys PhD]

The study was done on sheep. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=7017853


Arent the purpose of animal studies done to help human medicine? I wouldnt blow it off and it seems credible to me. But that's me, I keep an open mind on things.

Studies on sheep and cattle have both been done--I was referring to the one on cattle because it is more relevant.

The purpose of THESE studies has nothing to do with human medicine, they have to do with bovine health for those in the veterinary field. Trenbolone implantation is very common in cattle, and studies are done to look at any adverse effects. The purpose of the studies were not to mimic what goes on in a bodybuilder taking trenbolone.

Lastly, I am not blowing the study off--I am simply aware that not all animal models translate to humans; and, in this case in particular, this study was not designed to mimic a human physiological system. Keep an open mind all you want, but at least be capable of scrutinizing a study and even looking at some raw data before coming to the conclusion that what is occurring in cattle/sheep implanted with trenbolone is the same as what will occur with a human injecting it.

 

[steelmass]

Since I've heard so many ppl having a problem with tren, then scrambling to get rid of it, I found some info to REMOVE the problem while on a cycle without dostinex after the gyno surfaced. I'm surprised nobody has revealed this yet.

"Ironically, even though Tren is an excellent contest prep drug, it LOWERS YOUR THYROID LEVEL(23), and this RAISES PROLACTIN. I recommend taking T3 (25mcgs/day) along with your Tren to avoid elevating your prolactin too high via this route."

And contrary to popular belief, T3 does not burn out your thyroid gland. 25mcgs ed with a cycle boosts the anabolic effects of AAS, and is much safer than going up to 125mcgs.


http://www.steroid.com/Trenbolone-Acetate.php

I have talked with a very very knowledgable endo about this subject and what you stated is not entirely true. It actually inhibits the t4-t3 conversion, so when the tren exits your system you get an influx of t3. Running t3 would not be a bad idea, however i'd recomend cutting the tren and running another agent while your t3 levels go back to baseline.

 

[Ulter]

Unless the endo is God he doesn't know what affects Tren has on the human endocrine system. There are no data to draw that conclusion from.

But let's say he is God.. You're saying your T3 levels go UP when you come off of tren? How long does this occur?

 

[toxicsambo]

Funny, anyone ever wonder how ingesting chemically enhanced livestock effects the human body? I think we all agree that almost all farm animals are juiced up for the extra buck going to the farmer. I'd love to see if science can find out what actually happens on a hormonal level. There sure are alot of fat kids today and fkn mutant milk. Once again, I never said this is true to those of you who are so adamant about dismissing the study, I just found it interesting. And besides, you cant say you know either, unless youre a nobel prize winner.

 

[Phys PhD]

Funny, anyone ever wonder how ingesting chemically enhanced livestock effects the human body? I think we all agree that almost all farm animals are juiced up for the extra buck going to the farmer. I'd love to see if science can find out what actually happens on a hormonal level. There sure are alot of fat kids today and fkn mutant milk. Once again, I never said this is true to those of you who are so adamant about dismissing the study, I just found it interesting. And besides, you cant say you know either, unless youre a nobel prize winner.

What are you talking about? Are you actually trying to make an association between the obesity epidemic and farmers that juice their cattle?! Good God, man. You do not need to be a nobel prize winner, genius--a handful of studies have already been done on exogenous hormone administration to livestock, and a multitude of studies have been done on the recent surge of obesity in kids. Many of these are epidemiological studies, do you know what that means? You are clearly totally ignorant of what is going on in science outside of what you get from the internet. Do everyone a favor and stop addressing issues that you have not researched beyond Google.