Thanks BP. You remembered my fascination. I have seen some indian/arab girl porn pop up recently but most of it is pretty bad! LOL
jd_uk said:
I see what you're saying, and they are good points but i don't actually think that there is any such thing as 'a kid who is gay but doesn't know it yet'. I think that our early childhood and the way which we live it can determine our sexuality; as i pointed out with the examples of fetishes. Also i think that sexuality is way too difficult and complex for us to understand so people look for an answer in the form of a gene. I'd love to see some scientist show me the genetics which make a man attracted to an animal (let's not forget that such people do exist) or a womans shoes, or even children without any interest in adults (as sick as it is).
Why can a stage hypnotist can so easily make a person attracted to a wooden broom? (Possibly a bad example as the effects of hypnotistm don't last but it does show how attraction is strongly psychological.)
It seems fairly obvious to me that sexuality is learned behaviour. Some people might say 'so if a kid has two gay parents then why doesn't he turn out gay?' My answer to that argument is that it's just not as simple as that. Thousands of environmental factors could influence sexuality and it''s just too complicated for scientists with their controlled experiments to uderstand.
p.s. logging off so any replies to be answered tomorrow!
yeah, I don't think anyone has a clue about fetishes, LOL But those are expressions of their sexuality, not their sexual orientation/sexual identity. So they will be due to a combination of early development (before birth-what results in sexual identity and orientation) combined with life experiences. The guy isn't attracted to the shoe - he is attracted to the women's shoe. Somewhere he got the idea that the shoe was equivalent (or better than the woman) The person is a pedophile/zoophile because for whatever reason he equates that with the correct way to express his sexual drive. Of course some pedophiles are really just violent criminals, and that is not really sexually motivated, that is a violent crime intended to hurt and generate a feeling of power - but that is a whole othe ball of worms....
hypnotism has been shown to be a function of the receiver's psyche rather than people in general - basically it only works on people who are very receptive to suggestive ideas - it does not work on everyone. It works because the person being hypnotized either subconsciously wants it to work, or believes it will work. It is not a true phenomena in effect.
I am not arguing that sexual orientation is genetics at all - results on that are pretty non-conclusive at this point.
keep in mind environment starts in the womb - hormones flux isn't determined by genetics - many other things can cause variations at critical timepoints. it is the hormone flux at that time that effects the development of the brain, this has nothing to do with genetics. This is what I am arguing has the largest effect on sexual orientation/identity
so yeah - I agree it is environment - the most important one being before birth - the less imporant one after birth (though it still will have an effect and sometimes a big one, but rarely bigger than before birth if ever, although in some cases where the expression is more bizzare, it might appear so)
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