Track athlete cycle questions

[robertr54333]

I'm an endurance athlete (800m track runner). 22 years old. After about 3 months of researching on multiple forums, I am seeing very mixed opinions on the ideal options for an athlete like myself. I am interested in the increased rbc associated with most anabolics, the increased recovery, and the strength gains. Not interested in water weight gains or crippling pumps experienced when running on some anabolics. So far, the closest fit to these needs seems to be test at a low dose of 100-150mg/wk, anavar, 200-250mg primobolin, and eq 200-400mg/wk.

Apparently higher doses of test will produce too much water weight gain, but could this be controlled with arimidex? Would a test dose of 100-150mg/wk be too low to produce an increase in rbc?

Apparently some experience crippling pumps on anavar so this would not be an option for a runner like myself but I continue to read conflicting opinions.

I have only seen a few mentions of primobolin but it sounds like an attractive option since it can be taken orally and does not convert to estrogen.

Equipose seems to be the most effective for increasing rbc. However, it apparently causes water weight gains. Again, could these for sure be controlled by anti aromatase like arimidex? I also see that gains take a long time (12 weeks?). I don't see this as an issue as long as the strength gains and increased rbc slowly build up over 12 weeks, or do they suddenly occur after 12 weeks?

So it seems my best option would be test stacked with eq along with arimidex to control water weight gains.

Some other questions: is liquidex a suitable substitute for arimidex? Is 10mg/day androgel a suitable substitute for 100-150mg/wk injectable test?

The most seemingly knowledgable post I found was on t-nation titled "the endurance athlete" (new user, can't post links) but I am not going to risk time, money, and health on one person's opinion.

 

[warrior08]

Are u being drug tested?

 

[robertr54333]

No, but something that isn't detectable for long would be preferable. However, I understand most anabolics remain detectable for months.

 

[MMAjake]

If your not being tested in the near future but will be soon then it's probably safer to stick to fast acting compounds.

It's important to remember that what most will recommend on these forums is a 'bodybuilding' dose which is far larger then your needs and will put you at a disadvantage.

Equipoise while it is beneficial to RBC count has a detection time of 5 months.

I would use a low dose of testosterone propionate (175mg a week), anavar could be used at a very low dose of 20-30mg a week more for the recovery benefits and GW-501516 for the endurance gains.

As always when it comes to endurance EPO is king but I will never recommend the compound unless you are under strict doctors supervision. It can be used safely if you are having your bloods monitered on a daily basis.

How long do you want to run the cycle for ?

For PCT see if you can find Dylan's template for PCT on other threads, if not PM him I'm sure he'll be happy to help.

Good luck any questions feel free to PM me

 

[dylangemelli]

all you need is sarms bro... eq and primo are absolutely excellent for what your wanting as well but the eq detection time is very long... if your good with that then definitely run it... the sarms triple stack is your best option...

1-8 Ostarine 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-8 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-8 GW-510516 10-20 mg day... split doses 12 hours apart SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-8 HcGenerate n2bm.com
1-8 N2guard n2bm.com
1-8 Liquidex n2bm.com
3-8 Albuterol 12-18 mg day ag-guys.com

Mini pct 9-12

Hcgenerate ES n2bm.com

 

[Jbranken]

Whatever stack you decide to run, GW is a must for a runner. SARMS are great for endurance and speed as well. Dylan's cycle setup is perfect

 

[dylangemelli]

if you have any questions on any of this, let me know!

 

[Shrine1]

The triple stack Dylan laid out is a great one. Sarms1 GW is definitely going to increase your endurance big time. You will love this stack for sure.

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[fizzisnumerouno]

What I would give to be a track athlete running EQ with Sarms1.com GW.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

I never head bloat when running EQ. It's quite the contrary. I haven't run primo so I can't comment on that but EQ gave me more vascularity in the long-run than any compound I ever ran. I was a walking road map on that compound. My veins were popping out of everywhere. Nothing touches it. Squirrel! Sorry I got distracted talking about the superficial benefits. The physical benefits are like no other. It's like sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber and blood doping combined with deca strength gains.

 

[robertr54333]

Thanks for the info. I already ran a cycle of osta and GW from sarms1 and I had some modest results. Looking to try a new cycle for more dramatic results. I'm thinking test prop 100-150/wk and a low dose of var 10-20/day. Also looking for EPO. Please PM me if you have experience or knowledge with it beyond the fact that it is dangerous. Thanks

 

[Shrine1]

Thanks for the info. I already ran a cycle of osta and GW from sarms1 and I had some modest results. Looking to try a new cycle for more dramatic results. I'm thinking test prop 100-150/wk and a low dose of var 10-20/day. Also looking for EPO. Please PM me if you have experience or knowledge with it beyond the fact that it is dangerous. Thanks

I also enjoy running and didnt like prop and var combo. Prop is awesome, but with the var I felt more winded then usually and got pumps in my shoulders and legs a bit. Personally.. i thought test prop was awesome alone.

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[fizzisnumerouno]

I also enjoy running and didnt like prop and var combo. Prop is awesome, but with the var I felt more winded then usually and got pumps in my shoulders and legs a bit. Personally.. i thought test prop was awesome alone.

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^^^^Exactly. I don't think Var and Winny are exactly the best for athletics. Winny gets a lot of notoriety because of Ben Johnson running a 9.79 but that was in a 100m. I think anything beyond that would yield excruciating pumps.


As far as EPO? If you do not think you will get tested, you'd be way better off with EQ. EQ barely aromatizes so you really do not have to concern yourself with bloat.

 

[robertr54333]

Do people experience pumps with var at such a low dose of 20mg/day? I thought that might come from a larger dose.

 

[MMAjake]

I'm using 30mg of var ed now and I'm getting pumps but they're not unbearable.

I like it because it allows me to get my weight down to where I need to be whilst enhancing recovery and giving mild strength gains.

Everyone reacts differently to different compounds though so trial and error is the best method here.

I agree with the others though if your not being tested run eq and prop

 

[stevesmi]

at your age I am not a fan of running gear at all but whatever. the best stack for you is low dose test, EQ (hgh you are too damn young for so forget that) and GW

you had modest gains on GW.. well what did u expect? you aren't going to turn into an Olympic runner overnight without tremendous genetics and working your tail off.

your biggest problem is you are going to listen to the wrong advice and it will cripple your running times.. for example running something that will give you pumps is a no no. what do you think will happen at the 600M mark when your calves and shins start hardening up like granite?

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

at your age I am not a fan of running gear at all but whatever. the best stack for you is low dose test, EQ (hgh you are too damn young for so forget that) and GW

you had modest gains on GW.. well what did u expect? you aren't going to turn into an Olympic runner overnight without tremendous genetics and working your tail off.

your biggest problem is you are going to listen to the wrong advice and it will cripple your running times.. for example running something that will give you pumps is a no no. what do you think will happen at the 600M mark when your calves and shins start hardening up like granite?

^+1

Exactly. Var and winny are a no go! Any oral anabolic is out of the question. The #1 is eq with a modest test dose. This would be sick for the 800m. I feel like everybody would be gassed at 700 and I would be just getting started. Call me an eq fan boy but that compound does a lit for me. For some reason it kicks in faster than what it's supposed to as well. Plus no aromatization? Hell yeah. I took that stuff when I was training MMA and I never gassed. I think Shawn Muscleshark Sherk took it and got busted. I felt like a Dogo Argentino on that compound.

 

[robertr54333]

I never had high expectations for GW. I was really pleased with the moderate gains I made. Just trying to experiment with other compounds. Thanks for the advice so far, I think I will steer clear of var and winny. Eq sounds great but I'm not a fan of the long detection time. I also don't think it will be necessary if I can get EPO. What do you guys think of primo at 75mg every 3 days?

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

I never had high expectations for GW. I was really pleased with the moderate gains I made. Just trying to experiment with other compounds. Thanks for the advice so far, I think I will steer clear of var and winny. Eq sounds great but I'm not a fan of the long detection time. I also don't think it will be necessary if I can get EPO. What do you guys think of primo at 75mg every 3 days?

The 800m is a fast twitch type 2x muscle fiber event with some 2a muscle incorporation.... Remember that.

Albuterol could help pre-competiton. It has been shown to increase endurance while NOT negatively effecting Vo2 max or RER (respiratory exchange ratio) which caffeine, clen and ephedrine WILL do. It is also slightly anabolic, more so than clen, has a 3-4 hour half-life, versus clen's 36 hour half-life, and it is detectible for 48-72 hours. I know a few years ago it wasn't on the banned substance list anyway so I doubt they're testing for it as it's probably the most prescribed asthma medication in America.
Beta-alanine is another compound that n2bm has in their 1Gstim. Beta alanine is a compound you should be incorporating because of it's muscular capacity potential both aerobically and anaerobically. I can vouch for both as I've used both. Neither are banned and both are available from board members here.

Here is the forged 1g stim from n2bm:
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Pre-Post-Workout-Supps/Forged-1G-Stim-p275.html

Here is the LiquiAlbut from Ag-guys:
http://www.ag-guys.com/store/product.php?productid=16159&cat=250



How long did you run osta and gw for, respectively?

Let us know so we can put something comprehensive together for you. The above compounds linked are going to make great additions to your program. We can help you carb-load before your run too as that may shave a few seconds as well. We'll put a stellar program together with on-cycle support and PCT.

 

[robertr54333]

Thanks for the great info fizz. I've been using ephedrine and caffeine for workouts and races and wasn't aware they had those negative effects like that. I will look into albuterol. I ran gw and osta for 6 weeks.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Thanks for the great info fizz. I've been using ephedrine and caffeine for workouts and races and wasn't aware they had those negative effects like that. I will look into albuterol. I ran gw and osta for 6 weeks.

Not a problem bro. How long ago did you run your sarms stack? What is your race date?

 

[imakneegrow]

anavar primo and winny... you'll be flying

 

[robertr54333]

ran the sarms about 5 weeks ago. doing some small races in Jan/Feb with more important races in March, April, May. Still thinking about the primo but wondering if its worth the price, especially if I take it at a low dose.

 

[travishibachi]

Just a thought, bro: Pseudo-ephedrine unreliable doping agent for cyclists


Also, if you're an 800m runner I would suggest adding beta alanine to your supps if you haven't already. It's good for any endurance activities lasting longer than 60 sec. CLA+caffeine has also been proven to increase endurance and fat-loss although obviously fat loss isn't a problem with endurance runners. Here's another article to check out too:


Paracetamol improves sprint series performance

Good luck with your races, bro, I miss competitive running I haven't raced since high school track/XC after I broke my femur in a freak accident my junior year.

 

[robertr54333]

Using 5g beta alanine and 8g citruline malate every day for 2 months. I also use paracetamol but just a different brand of acetaminophen for workouts. Not sure if I saw much of a difference but I will keep using them. Thanks for the suggestions travis, I was not aware of CLA. Right now I'm still looking into the albuterol. Would this need to be cycled or could it be just used the day of a race for the endurance benefits?

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Would this need to be cycled or could it be just used the day of a race for the endurance benefits?

I would take all natty supps for the next few weeks and work your butt off. Then I’d start a mega cycle in mid February. But we're going to put this together for you comprehensively. If you want a carb-loading technique, I can do this for you as well. If you want to do this, just PM me.

Cycle**:
Ostarine: 25 mgs per day 8 weeks
GW-501561: 20 mgs per day 8 weeks
Test proponate for 8 weeks at 150-200 mgs per week (roughly 50mg eod)
Liqui-Albut: Start 2 weeks before the race in march and 2 weeks before april race. I’ve heard of bros going to 16 mgs per day; your choice. I’d run it: 5 days: 4mg, 5 days: 8, last 4 days: 12.
Now for your on-cycle support:
N2 Guard: 7 caps every day. Fortunately for you, the n2 guard has some tuarine and excellent liver support properties. Clenbuterol is rough on the liver; albuterol is also, though it’s not nearly as intense (clen is asthma medication for horses, albuterol is for humans).
Liquidex AI: Some bros are using conservative dosages of this (1mL 2X daily) while others are aggressive with 2mL 2x daily. I think with your anabolics being so low, you can get away with the former. Timing is everything. You're in luck because n2bm has dex on sale in a buy 2 get 1 deal right now.
For your PCT*:
HCGenerate for weeks 9-12.
*You can extend your GW cycle for another 4 weeks to help keep the endurance and muscle gains you achieve.
**I did not include dosages regarding primo bro. For that I'd contact somebody who's done it before like Dylan. I could be wrong but I think he's a pretty big fan .

One more thing brother. I'd appreciate it if you let us know how this stack is going for you. If you want, start a log with us and keep us informed of your times.

 

[robertr54333]

Looks like a solid cycle, thanks man! Really liking the high b12 and folic acid in that n2 guard for rbc production. Which ingredients are for liver support? Also, is it true the test will improve sleep quality? What do you think about primo when I'm not taking the albuterol at 75mg every 3 days?

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Looks like a solid cycle, thanks man! Really liking the high b12 and folic acid in that n2 guard for rbc production. Which ingredients are for liver support? Also, is it true the test will improve sleep quality? What do you think about primo when I'm not taking the albuterol at 75mg every 3 days?

Milk thistle is one... There are several others as well. Clen drains your liver of its taurine. Albuterol is fractional but the added taurine is a plus.

As far as primo is concerned I haven't ran it. I know about it in an aesthetic sense but performance wise, I'm not sure. I'd run it steady so it normalizes your blood plasma levels.


You are running TRT doses of test so it can improve sleep if you're training hard on it. Different effects for everyone. If you do have issues sleeping, n2sleep from n2bm is the truth. Everything they offer is good.

 

[stevesmi]

you've got a lot of advice about compounds but have you tried improving your times with food and drinks besides caffeine?

pre run food is crucial to keep you light, nothing bloaty.. starchy foods that digest quickly. also consider something to keep your BS from tanking