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Top 10 Muscle Car Classics

Btw I'd take any modern day supercar over these old piece of iron. Muscle cars are cool and shit for their book value but no fun on the track.... :(
 
manny78 said:
Btw I'd take any modern day supercar over these old piece of iron. Muscle cars are cool and shit for their book value but no fun on the track.... :(

Ever sit behind the wheel of big block with a lumpy-ass cam? The feeling in the seat of your pants works better than Viagra. :)
 
digimon7068 said:
Ever sit behind the wheel of big block with a lumpy-ass cam? The feeling in the seat of your pants works better than Viagra. :)

I sat my butt behind a few of these (Impala SS, Mustang, Chevy Nova...). It's all as long as you're doing 1/4 mile and straight line races. But I'm not that type of guy.... I'm more into lapping/circuit.
 
My brother is in the process of restoring a cuda, hardtop. When he told me what he paid for what looked like to me a bucket of bolts and whatnot I about shit myself. He's got a bunch of mopar classics that he is restoring. Challenger and Charger ring a bell, some Plymouth thing too. I dunno exacts, not a old car guy.
 
chevelles are sweet.

my dad has a fully restored 68 dodge coronet 6 pack. holy fuck this thing is sweet
 
HOOLEEE SHIT! My papa's Z-28 is worth 91 grand now!? Sweet gentle hayseus. He's had it since '98 and only paid like 20k for it I think.

Goddamn he needs to sell that fucker and make 70 thousand dollars profit.
 
PICK3 said:
It's amazing how much $$$ these things are drawing.

Many models increase >5 fold since 2000.
b/c of ageing baby boomers cashing in their 401-K's...buying the cars they always wanted and never could afford "way back then".
 
my first car @ 17 was a 71 chevelle 350


In my opinion, I think convertible muscle cars look stupid. I would never buy one, I dont care if they are rarer.

I personally want a challenger or a chevelle in the future, big block, blown. Something I could easily die if I fuck around too much in - that'd be cool.
 
UA_Iron said:
my first car @ 17 was a 71 chevelle 350


In my opinion, I think convertible muscle cars look stupid. I would never buy one, I dont care if they are rarer.

I personally want a challenger or a chevelle in the future, big block, blown. Something I could easily die if I fuck around too much in - that'd be cool.
the new challenger (retro) has caught my eye. :p
 
manny78 said:
Mine is not even on the list: Chevy El Camino SS 454

Well, the Chevelle SS 454 is on there, isn't that close enough? Same car, different body style.
 
sublime35 said:
me too........but that pic they have isn't of a '69, and who the hell wants a conv. on any of those cept maybe the camaro and the shelby?

They listed the convertibles because those are the ones that fetch the BIG BUCKS on the auction block. In my opinion, a convertible is less desirable as a performance car, but they're also a lot more rare.
 
Too much MOPAR on that list. MOPAR never had anything but cheap power and flashy styling, the rest of the car was shit.

From that list, I'll take the '69 Z-28. The 302 Z-28 was a well balance car and, for an American car, handled and stopped pretty well for the time. It'd be a lot more fun to actually take one out on real-world roads than any of the big-blocks.
 
Mr. dB said:
Too much MOPAR on that list. MOPAR never had anything but cheap power and flashy styling, the rest of the car was shit.

From that list, I'll take the '69 Z-28. The 302 Z-28 was a well balance car and, for an American car, handled and stopped pretty well for the time. It'd be a lot more fun to actually take one out on real-world roads than any of the big-blocks.
I love the '69 Z-28 but I don't understand why they didn't list the '69 ZL-1 Camaro. It had an aluminum 427 big block which they claimed would run in the 11 sec. range in the 1/4 mile right off the showroom floor.
 
Mr. dB said:
They listed the convertibles because those are the ones that fetch the BIG BUCKS on the auction block. In my opinion, a convertible is less desirable as a performance car, but they're also a lot more rare.

yeah, but they could have atleast used a 69 conv in the pic instead of a 70 since the caption says 1969 GTO Judge Convertible. lol oh well.
 
don't forget about the sleeper Buicks of the '60's and '70's... one of my many rides Fun, Fast rides in college was a '64 buick riviera G. S.....had the "nailhead" 425 engine, factory 2-4 barrell AFB (Awfull Foikin' Bad) carbs, every power and comfort option available at the time (including power front vent windows...so decadent, lol), finned aluminum valve covers, a massive chrome air cleaner about the size of a ford explorer tire.

this classy car made many a kid's pimply jaw drop after (semi) quietly and quickly sucking the headlights outta his jacked up, fat tired, loud exhaust system camaro or mustang! :verygood: ;)

buick did their own chassis and engine development during this time period. this car had massive, finned drum brakes that stopped much better than it's competition.

dayum..........i wish i had that car back...... :evil:
 
i'd take the superbird. Kinda crazy how you could drive those cars home for $3500-$4500 in the day. Now almost every muscle car i see on the BJauctions go for 100k to 2 million. i honestly think i'm going to start restoring old cars to try to sell them at bjauctions. For the past few months i keep seeing/hearing #'s matching muscle cars for reasonable prices they just need paint and some interior work/minor engine work. haha my only fear is i'll keep them all and never sell them
 
Of course, I'd take the Hemicuda' drop top. Black on black, only 7 made I think. But as much as I love them, I'm going to snatch up a new Hemi Charger Srt8 Super Bee when they come out. A little over 420hp from the factory isn't bad. And they make a supercharger for it as well.
 
even the every day, "mom 'n pop" cars would "shit 'n git" in the muscle car time period.

my mother's favorite all time car ( so far) was a '65 plymouth fury station wagon, equipped with the "golden commando" 383 4 barrel dual exhaust engine, torqueflite automatic transmission, 3.42 positraction rear end, factory dual exhaust.

there was not an entrance ramp that could challenge this car, even fully loaded with 4 kids and all the trip luggage she and my dad could stuff into it.

when she or my dad "stomped the skinny pedal" on that long, wide tank, with the secondaries of the 4 bbl carb sucking birds outta the trees, the gear shift lever would vibrate in sympathy with the bellow of the dual cherry bomb exhaust system she HAD to have installed.

this was the car she taught me how to "power brake" in. (anyone here know what that means?)
 
rnch said:
this was the car she taught me how to "power brake" in. (anyone here know what that means?)

It's what I have to do in my 4 cylinder Ranger to get a tire to "chirp". :p
 
Shift lever? Didn't a '65 Plymouth still have the pushbutton slushbox?

Not all V8 cars from the "golden era" were necesarily fast. A typical full size four door with the base small block and a 2-bbl carb was lucky to hit a 10-second 0-60 in stock trim. Like, for example, my dad's '65 Impala 327 w/Turbo Hydramatic.
 
Just for fun, I was looking at a website comparing Muscle Cars with today's sport car

Charger with 426 Hemi: V8 7L 450hp, 490lbs-ft 1/4 mile in 13.8 sec. , 0-60 in 5.3

BMW M3 CSL: I6 3.2, 360HP, 275lbs-ft, 1/4 mile in 12.5 sec, 0-60 4.9 sec......

hummmm.....
 
manny78 said:
Just for fun, I was looking at a website comparing Muscle Cars with today's sport car

Charger with 426 Hemi: V8 7L 450hp, 490lbs-ft 1/4 mile in 13.8 sec. , 0-60 in 5.3

BMW M3 CSL: I6 3.2, 360HP, 275lbs-ft, 1/4 mile in 12.5 sec, 0-60 4.9 sec......

hummmm.....
that's not the point
I'll give you a chance to correct your observational error
 
4everhung said:
that's not the point
I'll give you a chance to correct your observational error

There's no error because I didnt make any point. Just an observation. How things are different with today's technology (carb vs. FI, high displacement vs. high rev.).
 
no the point was how rewarding these vehicles were as investment devices
 
4everhung said:
no the point was how rewarding these vehicles were as investment devices

They werent until recently when all the baby boomers started to go crazy with these heavy ass cars. Same is now happening with usedlate 80's, early 90's japanese RWD (AE86, 240SX, RX7, MR2). In this case, its the drift hype that should be blamed but I still remember when you had to pay to get rid of a rusted AE86 Corolla....
 
Mr. dB said:
Shift lever? Didn't a '65 Plymouth still have the pushbutton slushbox?

Not all V8 cars from the "golden era" were necesarily fast. A typical full size four door with the base small block and a 2-bbl carb was lucky to hit a 10-second 0-60 in stock trim. Like, for example, my dad's '65 Impala 327 w/Turbo Hydramatic.
unfortunately, all mopars (plymouth, dodge, chrysler) abandoned the push button automatic transmission controls for the 1965 model year.

now about "slushboxes"......mopars 3 speed tourqueflite automatic was vastly superior to chevy's 2 speed powerglide automatic transmission. mopars actually shifted gears, a "slip 'n slide" powerglide just kinda oozed from low to high, rather like a toilet flushing.....;)

your dad was fortunate to have the 3 speed turbo-hydramatic tranny in his impala....prolly one of the best looking (espically when compared to the velvetta cheese box styling of the '64 model) chevvies ever made.

i agree, db, that the base v8/automatic models were not blindingly fast.....but could still take off from a stop quicker (due to the superior torque of american engines) that most of the base model puddle jumpers that are inflicted on us today.
 
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Mr. dB said:
Too much MOPAR on that list. MOPAR never had anything but cheap power and flashy styling.....
wasn't "cheap power and flashy styling" what muscle cars were all about??? ;) :verygood:

NONE of these cars could navigate a curve or stop in a hurry......steering was loose on the center and 5 or 6 turns lock to lock.....seats were flat, vinyl covered, with no lower back support....no sound insulation...all they were good for was straight line acceleration and lookin' good sitting in the A & W parking lot. ;)
 
Mr. dB said:
Shift lever? Didn't a '65 Plymouth still have the pushbutton slushbox?

Not all V8 cars from the "golden era" were necesarily fast. A typical full size four door with the base small block and a 2-bbl carb was lucky to hit a 10-second 0-60 in stock trim. Like, for example, my dad's '65 Impala 327 w/Turbo Hydramatic.
heh
I was equiped with a 454 4 barrel '72 Olds custom cruiser wagon
 
rnch said:
wasn't "cheap power and flashy styling" what muscle cars were all about??? ;) :verygood:

NONE of these cars could navigate a curve or stop in a hurry......steering was loose on the center and 5 or 6 turns lock to lock.....seats were flat, vinyl covered, with no lower back support....no sound insulation...all they were good for was straight line acceleration and lookin' good sitting in the A & W parking lot. ;)

By today's standards, they were all dogs. But MOPAR were dogs even by 1969 standards. GM and Ford were miles ahead in chassis development. And some of those cars, like the 302 Z-28 or the Boss 302, were pretty decent on a 2-lane highway with curves.

Who made Ford steering boxes in the '60s? I know Chevys all had Saginaw boxes, I'm just blanking on Ford's right now. 'Cause I had a '66 Fairlane 500 with non-power steering, and it had 8 1/2 turns lock to lock, and was frighteningly vague on-center. And it only had 60,000 miles on it, so it's not like it was all worn out. But as scary as that piece of shit Fairlane was, it was the rock of Gibraltar compared to my friend's '68 Coronet, "The Blue Death Trap".
 
yeh, fords were always at least one generation behind GM in power steering units.....their power steering had all the road feel of putting your hands into a stack of syrup loaded pancakes.


but fords didn't rust out big time around the windshield and back windows like all the GM's did.
 
rnch said:
your dad was fortunate to have the 3 speed turbo-hydramatic tranny in his impala....prolly one of the best looking (espically when compared to the velvetta cheese box styling of the '64 model) chevvies ever made.

'65 was the first year GM finally let Chevy have the Turbo Hydramatic. Yeah, the Powerglide was an embarrassment. But it had to be vague, 'cause with a 2-speed box the ratios are so wide that if it had a crisp shift it would have given people whiplash. They continued to offer Powerglides through 1973, I think, and that was the only slushbox available for the Vega 'cause they had trouble developing a light weight Turbo H. When they finally DID offer a Turbo H 200 in the Vega in 1974, they had extreme reliability problems. My parents had one that died on the way home from the showroom.

rnch said:
i agree, db, that the base v8/automatic models were not blindingly fast.....but could still take off from a stop quicker (due to the superior torque of american engines) that most of the base model puddle jumpers that are inflicted on us today.

Not necessarily. Your average little 1.6-1.8 Civic, Corolla, Hyundai, or whatever can manage a 0-60 in the mid-8-second range which, on paper, is at least two seconds faster than a 327 Impala, 289 Galaxie, or 283 Polara 2-barrel. Takes a lot more revs and drama in the puddle-jumper though compared to the torquey V8.
 
i always wanted a vega staion wagon with a small block and turbohydramatic dropped into it..... :)
 
rnch said:
yeh, fords were always at least one generation behind GM in power steering units.....their power steering had all the road feel of putting your hands into a stack of syrup loaded pancakes.


but fords didn't rust out big time around the windshield and back windows like all the GM's did.

I said non-power steering. Manual. Un-assisted. It was a six cylinder car.
 
Mr. dB said:
I said non-power steering. Manual. Un-assisted. It was a six cylinder car.
ford's power steering gear box ratios of that time period weren't much quicker than their manual boxes. mopars had better road feel than fords, but GM always had the best steering......power or manual.
 
theoak01 said:
I love the 69 nova ,those dont interest me


Me too bro. That was my favorite car for the longest time until I saw that bright orange GTO Judge for the first time. It's def. still #2 on my list.
 
there are suspension kits that will make a first generation camaro pull over 1g on the skidpad.
 
My first car that I was old enough to drive, was a'71 Renault R17 Gordini. Cute. leather steeting wheel, F.I. Did 130 mph.

I always like the later Aspens.

My fave is the 69-70 Charger though.
 
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