TO those who diss clomid...whatt ya think:?

[doubles1]

Use of clomiphene citrate to reverse premature andropause secondary to steroid abuse.

Tan RS, Vasudevan D.

Department of Family and Community Medicine, University of Texas Health Sciences Center, Houston, Texas 77030, USA. [email protected]

OBJECTIVE: To report a case of symptomatic hypogonadism induced by the abuse of multiple steroid preparations that was subsequently reversed by clomiphene. DESIGN: Case report. SETTING: University-affiliated andrology practice within family practice clinic. PATIENT(S): A 30-year-old male. INTERVENTION(S): Clomiphene citrate, 100-mg challenge for 5 days, followed by treatment at same dose for 2 months. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE(S): Clinical symptoms, androgen decline in aging male questionnaire, total T, FSH, LH. RESULT(S): Reversal of symptoms, normalization of T levels with LH surge, restoration of pituitary-gonadal axis. CONCLUSION(S): Clomiphene citrate is used typically in helping to restore fertility in females. This represents the first case report of the successful use of clomiphene to restore T levels and the pituitary-gonadal axis in a male patient. The axis was previously shut off with multiple anabolic steroid abuse.


danks.

 

[xonic2xonic]

If I am not mistaken, I thought that the (or one of) the problems is that there after stopping the clomid you are supressed again, so all it really does is put off the inevitable. I may be wrong.

Also that study is on one single person.

 

[Swolenpecs]

From what i know clomid is kind of a step down, maybe like going from 2 packs of cigs(gear) a day to a couple of cigs (clomid) and then stoping. I know after i get off a cycle i can totally tell test is low, for example When you listen to "Disturbed" everyday and month after cycle you catch yourself listening to love songs.

 

[poantrex]

Long term clomid use works, period. Most bodybuilders really don't use it long enough for it to exert effects fully (2-3 months of use will raise test levels sky high)...and alot simply can't tolerate
the side effects.

 

[gunner44]

Uhhhh...and nolvadex wont to the same thing..WITHOUT THE SIDES ??


I like NOlvadex MUCH better. Same issue with the time required.

This whole idea of popping clomid for a couple of weeks and volia...all normal again ...well thats bullshit.

It takes MONTHS of clomid/nolvadex therapy to really make an impact.

I think you should be on clomid/nolvadex AT LEAST as long as you were on cycle... twice as long if you want to be real sure you are making your own test again. I think the safe approach is to stay on a recovery cycle for as long as possible , especially if you cant see a doc and get blood work post cycle/recovery to check things out.

For me, I am on nolvadex/proviron between each cycle, and while on cycle. FOr the last 2 years, i have been on it almost full time.

I do have a special problem with free test levels . Thats what the proviron is for @ 25mg daily. Life is no good without some good wood. For me, I have real good test levels but my free test is in the toliet. Dont know if i fucked things up with the juice, or if I just have some SHBG problems. Either way, my doc can do nothing for my over active SHBG, so I live on proviron....which is what it is uesd for medically all over the fucking planet, except here in the US.

I really beleive you cant do any serious dammage with long term usage of clomid or nolvadex. I have also been real happy with proviron and its excellent benefits with sexual sides and its ability to raise free test levels. No shit people...proviron really does have some effect on raising free test levels. Think about it!!

 

[doubles1]

good info.

 

[Ttokkyo Jack]

Clomid is great stuff... At least for me it is. I am not so sure why it has gotten a bad reputation, but for its purpose it is one of the best drugs available. A lot of people attribute the sides of clomid, to the effects that they are experiencing because they have low test levels i.e. depression, lack of motivation, feeling like a lil bitch etc. There have been numerous studies to show that clomid works. Now are there other things that one could do post cycle that may be just as effective as clomid? Probably, but the bottomline is that for most clomid does and will work.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Individualistic...Some love it,some hate it.Personally,it has worked quite well for me.

 

[satchboogie]

BUMP FOR NELSON TO SEE.

 

[poantrex]

Nelson would argue with a stop sign. He's hopeless.