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To Those Who Are Curious About ZIP!

Nelson Montana

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It's a new day. Let's start fresh.

There were some questions a while back concerning preserving muscle while increasing T3 to burn fat. Some people also wanted to know about the desicatted thyroid gland in ZIP!

Now that Protein Factory is a paid sponsor this can be discussed without the post being deleted or locked.
 
Supplement Facts
Servings Size 5 capsules
Servings Per Container 28
Acetyl L-Tyrosine 1200 mgs
7-Keto DHEA 75 mgs
Olive Leaf Extract 6%Oleuropein 2000 mgs
Desiccated Thyroid Gland Extract 1/4 grain
Selenium 100 mcgs
Molybdenum 50 mcgs
Kelp 125 mgs
Synephrine (6%) 500 mgs
 
how does it compare to other fat burners? is anxiety a problem that you know of? all fat burners make me feel like shit, atleast most of them because i have bad anxiety. i'd give it a shot if this doesn't make my heart beat out of my chest like the rest.
 
:) Does anybody have anymore feedback regarding this product, Protein Factory is a great company! :)



Nelson, you are right PF is sposoring EF, Lets keep threads like this to just a couple per day and you will be fine.... Clog the board with them and we'll have to chop em down... K?
 
Spunky said:
how does it compare to other fat burners? is anxiety a problem that you know of? all fat burners make me feel like shit, atleast most of them because i have bad anxiety. i'd give it a shot if this doesn't make my heart beat out of my chest like the rest.


The whole premise behind Zip is that it utilizes the thyroid to burn fat instead of the central nervous system. I think that makes more sense. So to answer your question, you don't getany jiters or anxiety from it. I have anxiety myself and I use it with no probems. Meanwhile, even yohimbe gets me jittery.
 
thyroid

I have a question about the desiccated thyroid extract in it. Isn't armour thyroid (a prescription drug) desiccated thyroid extract? And therefore is this product bound to become illegal as soon as the FDA figures it out? I hope not....
 
Do you have to cycle it like t3 ? how long can it be used for?
 
ok nelson yer too slow.. so i ordered a bottle already. :) how long does it usually take to get here? the CS rep at PF wasn't too helpful. She couldn't even tell me my total amount that would be put on my debit card. She said "I just take the orders." Kindda weird. Better look at my bank statement to make sure they don't charge me like $500.
 
Spunky: You ordered after hours after the regular staff left. Double check with them tomorrow, just to be sure.

Yes, desicatted thyroid s similar to Armour thyroid but Armour must have a specific amount of thyroxins T2, T3 and T4 in order to make it a prescription drug to treat hypothyroidism. Desicatted thyroid has only minute amounts, not enough to be classified as a treatment for any medical condition, so it gets to slip under the wire. Yeah, I hope the FDA doesnt get a bug up their ass about it.

Zip is non-supressive. Every ingredient just helps the thyroid to function at an optimum level. Once you stop using it, the thyroid will slowly revert back to the baseline it was before administration.
 
Nelson Montana said:
It's a new day. Let's start fresh.

There were some questions a while back concerning preserving muscle while increasing T3 to burn fat. Some people also wanted to know about the desicatted thyroid gland in ZIP!

Now that Protein Factory is a paid sponsor this can be discussed without the post being deleted or locked.

Nelson you rule!

Where are all your fake ID's that agree with yourself?
 
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Nut Sack3 said:


Nelson you rule!

Where are all your fake ID's that agree with yourself?
Banned
 
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lartinos said:

Dude, maybe read the forums a bit more and learn something!

Ohhhh, banned, coming from someone with a big 573 posts, look-out, the big boy's are calling the shots now!

LOL!

Shut your fucking mouth, rookie!
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: To Those Who Are Curious About ZIP!

Nut Sack3 said:


Dude, maybe read the forums a bit more and learn something!

Ohhhh, banned, coming from someone with a big 573 posts, look-out, the big boy's are calling the shots now!

LOL!

Shut your fucking mouth, rookie!
I'm now officially done talking to your stupid ass. You're trying to hard man, trying to hard.
 
will the real nut sack3 please stand up, please stand up.

Obviously you are pissed about somthing, and using an alter.

What's the deal?
 
PharmaPhreak said:
will the real nut sack3 please stand up, please stand up.

Obviously you are pissed about somthing, and using an alter.

What's the deal?

How about reading my posts! There is truth in them!

What you think Nelson just became popular out of the blue?

Hell no, he has atleast 10 different fake names that he uses to agree and bump himself, to make his views seem very, very popular!

He is a con artist!

No joke!
 
It's true. As a matter of fact, every name on this board besides NutSack is actually me. The two of us just agree all day long with each other.
 
Nelson Montana said:
It's true. As a matter of fact, every name on this board besides NutSack is actually me. The two of us just agree all day long with each other.
Agreed
 
Nelson, is there any reason to believe that zip raises t4/t3 to anything more than high normal? And if so, would that not have minimal effect on fat burning? If it causes t4/t3 above high normal what is the mechanisms that it utilizes that does not cause concommitant feedback in the loop causing normal thyroid shutdown? thanks,

jb
 
I used t-rex with zip for 2 weeks. After 4-5 days I noticed my body was warmer overall, I was getting hotter, if that makes any sense. Only used the combo for 2 weeks along with 1900 cals per day and lost like 10lbs without noticeable decrease in muscle. Obviously, you can say it was 2-3lbs water, 2-3 lbs less food and shit in my digestive system, so it was a net fat loss of probably 5 lbs or so.

Anyway, I will have some blood work done on someone who just started taking Zip (a before and after) to see if t3 and t4 change. Updates in 3 weeks.
 
jboldman said:
Nelson, is there any reason to believe that zip raises t4/t3 to anything more than high normal? And if so, would that not have minimal effect on fat burning? If it causes t4/t3 above high normal what is the mechanisms that it utilizes that does not cause concommitant feedback in the loop causing normal thyroid shutdown? thanks,

jb

It will put you on the high/normal end of thyroid output, just as extra protein will put you on the high/normal end of anabolism.
The answer to both your questions is essentially the same. Since it isn't a drug, it doesn't suppress, instead, it aids in the conversion of T4 to T3. That's the key. You can have a ton of T4 but if it isn't converted into the active T3, it's kind of useless. So essentially, by getting maximum output you get your thyroid as high as possible without entering "hyperthyroidism."

A lot of thought went into this included the exclusion of thypical thyroid ingredients like guggelsterones and forskolin. Without getting into a big aside, let's just say they aren't what the supp companies made them out to be but they ran with the hype anyway.

If anyone is expecting this to work like Cytomel, forget it. But the good news is, you can use it non stop (within the safe dosage range) and it will only make for a healthier thyroid. The only side effect might be a slightly "warm" feeling, which isn't that terrible.

BTW: If you have cold hands that's a sign of possible low thyroid. If the body is cold, it attempts to conserve heat by hoarding fat. If the body is warm, it will expell heat, by burning fat. That's what this will do, but again, not to the extent of suppressive drugs. It is a supplement and IMO the best non stimulative fat burner out there. Of course, you can always add some T-rex to it, but that would be REALLY intense and I'd only recommend that to advanced athletes or guys who are used to thyroid meds.
 
Shiba Inu said:
Supplement Facts
Servings Size 5 capsules
Servings Per Container 28
Acetyl L-Tyrosine 1200 mgs
7-Keto DHEA 75 mgs
Olive Leaf Extract 6%Oleuropein 2000 mgs
Desiccated Thyroid Gland Extract 1/4 grain
Selenium 100 mcgs
Molybdenum 50 mcgs
Kelp 125 mgs
Synephrine (6%) 500 mgs


two problems here

1. the bottle is 90 caps
so there are 18 servings

2. unless you have some magic powers you cant get those particular 796mg of ingredients into a 00 capsule. There are no flow agents and several of the ingredients are agglomerizing and hygroscopic.

(assuming a 1-5% titration of sel and moly- so could be 780ish - still not do able)
 
macrophage69alpha said:



two problems here

1. the bottle is 90 caps
so there are 18 servings

2. unless you have some magic powers you cant get those particular 796mg of ingredients into a 00 capsule. There are no flow agents and several of the ingredients are agglomerizing and hygroscopic.

(assuming a 1-5% titration of sel and moly- so could be 780ish - still not do able)


That's nonsense.

Stop worrying that ZIP! will take business away from you. It's different from anything the AF store sells. There's room for everybody.
 
Nelson Montana said:



That's nonsense.

Stop worrying that ZIP! will take business away from you. It's different from anything the AF store sells. There's room for everybody.

its not nonsense

the label says 90 caps
you have the serving size listed as 5 caps
thats 18 servings not 28

and

with respect to the fill weight of 00 caps you may want to talk to your manufacturer, because those materials required flow and anti-caking agents. What you likely have here is an example of the 5% rule.
 
Nelson Montana said:



That's nonsense.

Stop worrying that ZIP! will take business away from you. It's different from anything the AF store sells. There's room for everybody.

You failed to respond to the facts he provided...How do you actually address the concerns listed?
 
Ok im a total newbie to thyroid sups for fat burning, nelson im very interested as a) ephedrine is getting banned and b) i'm wanting to try something else. So please if u have any good links with any good info and what not i would seriously appreciate it! :)

thanks buddy
 
Babyfaced. You can get ZIP from www.proteinfactory.com

thx9000: I did address it. I said it was nonsense. How else do you address nonsense? I can say the same thing about any supplement and sit back and let the person defend themselves, but I don't play that game. I can also say that some of the most outrageous claims are being made about a certain supplement that has shown ZERO effectiveness, but I'll let others worry about their own back yard. People have been getting remarkable results from ZIP, and that's all that matters to me.
 
Synephrine is the main "active" compound found in the fruit of a plant called Citrus aurantium. Yes, it is a stimulant, mild none the less...Through its stimulation of specific adrenergic receptors (beta-3, but not beta-1, beta-2 or alpha-1), it is theorized to stimulate fat metabolism without the negative cardiovascular side effects experienced by some people with Ma Huang (which stimulates all beta-adrenergic receptors).
 
so is there anyone that has used any of these products that can say something good about it?

I mean you keep saying its great and its a best thing in the world so just go ahead and buy it but how do we know its not just waste of 30 bucks or whatver it costs, sometimes you just post that one of your products is the way to go...


half of the time your posts just talk about how everything is garbage or waste of money yet ZIP is your answer when poeple dont even kno what it is

so can you show us someone who used it and can actually give some comments about it?
 
sconoscuito said:
so is there anyone that has used any of these products that can say something good about it?

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WELL, THAT'S NOT TRUE. THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF POSITIVE REPORTS. B AS A MATTER OF FACT ANAKIN CAME ON THIS THREAD,SAID HE USED IT AND GOT GOOD RESULTS. IT'S STILL EW THOUGH. THEY'LL BE MORE.


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I mean you keep saying its great and its a best thing in the world so just go ahead and buy it but how do we know its not just waste of 30 bucks or whatver it costs, sometimes you just post that one of your products is the way to go...


half of the time your posts just talk about how everything is garbage or waste of money yet ZIP is your answer when poeple dont even kno what it is

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NEVER SAID EVERYTHING IS GARBAGE, BUT A LOT IS. ZIP IS WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE THE BEST BET, NOT BECAUSE I SELL IT (WHICH IS ALL MOST SUPPLEMENT DISTRIBUTORS DO ) BUT BECAUSE I DESIGNED IT WITH INGREDIENTS I'VE FOUND TO BE EFFECTIVE. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

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so can you show us someone who used it and can actually give some comments about it?

Check out the anabolic board.

Synephrine does not cross the blood/brain barrier, and doesn't cause nervousness so technically it is not a CNS.

A 5 cap dose is recommended for one week, followed by 3 caps a day. So a 90 cap bottle lasts just under a month. Considering it's under 30 bucks, that's damn good for something that has as much as ZIP does.
 
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I said the website says 28 servings (so did Macro)...However, 90 caps by 5 per day equals 18 servings...There is a misprint on their label
 
Nelson Montana said:
i made a mistake, i surely hope that I dont make it again.


I keep making it over and over again. I wish I could just stick to the topic but I am a bit confused.

maybe If I just explained the reason for the mistake on the servings I would get my point across.
 
Nelson, to MY knowledge, if your post gets altered in any way after you post by someone besides you, if will have an edited by _________ at the bottom of your post...

Maybe someone has your alias/password
 
sawastea said:
Nelson, to MY knowledge, if your post gets altered in any way after you post by someone besides you, if will have an edited by _________ at the bottom of your post...

Maybe someone has your alias/password


Not if they're a mod. That's the case here. Someone just can't fight fair.
 
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