Time to lift steroid ban??

[Mike P.T.]

this was written in the latest Muscular Development:

"Do we throw people in jail for getting liposuction, buying a fancy suit of clothes, or taking birth control pills? Why do we criminilize people who take steroids to improve their appearance or physical performance. Dr. Sidney Gendin made a pitch for legalizing steroids in an article on meso-rx.com (Dec. 7, 2001) Most sports federations call steroids cheating. Yet they allow the use of supplements that claim to work as well as steroids. They also allow training techniques, such as weight training and plyometrics, that can hardly be called "natural" activities. Steroids are banned because they're dangerous. However, the side effects of these drugs are much less severe than those from smoking and drinking. People have been taking these drugs for more than 40 years. Yet, we haven't seen the landslide of heart attack and cancer deaths predicted to the steroid Cassandras. The U.S. is supposed to be a free country. What right do lawmakers have to ban a drug that affects nobody but the user? Perhaps, it's time for the government and sports federations to lift the ban on steroids and allow people to be all they can be."


i couldn't agree more.

 

[genarr3]

I don't think it's ever going to happen for the same reasons weed isn't going to be legalized - BECAUSE WE SAID SO

 

[Nathan]

I agree.

 

[PURE EXTRACT]

It's a shame bro because people have been brainwashed by our media. Steriods cause people to flip out and go into rages. That's a bunch of bullshit. There are a lot of things in this country that aren't fair, too bad gear is one of them.

 

[Mike P.T.]

It's a shame bro because people have been brainwashed by our media. Steriods cause people to flip out and go into rages. That's a bunch of bullshit. There are a lot of things in this country that aren't fair, too bad gear is one of them.

Yeah WHAT THE FUCK is that all about!!! ROID RAGE, that's a fucking myth. i don't know anyone who has ever had a rage while on juice. i tend to think of myself as a mild mannered man. so fuck all of em. God i wish i could just go up to all those government officials involved in the banning of steroids and fucking kill them all!!!!!!!!!




but in all seriousness though i only hope one day. ahh that day would be niec indeed. i can tell my grandkids, u know, back in my day when everyone was only 200 plus pounds ripped steroids were legal. 380 pound ripped grandson at 5'11. "really grandpa??"

 

[Mike P.T.]

ooooops, meant to say when i was telling my grandkids that they were illegal not legal. sorry bro's. hehehe

 

[PURE EXTRACT]

LOL I"ve never seen the violin one lol

 

[Super Halo Man]

What's roid rage?



Halo for breakfast... Halo for lunch... Halo for midday snack... Halo for dinner... Halo in between meals... Halo while you sleep.

I shit a brick of Halo and sold it. Maybe my quote will enlighten us on my reaction to Halo...

 

[Jafar]

The prescription drug situation in this country is a total fuckin' debalce, and it's due mainly to the FDA. What I predict, and what I also think is the correct posture to take on anabloics, is that it will eventually be legal for doctors to prescribe them for aesthetic/athletic purposes.

"300 mg/week Testosterone Propinate to build lean muscle mass"

on a script, take it to the pharmacy. No bullshit about hypogonadism or whatever else. I certainly don't advocate selling this crap over the counter, but it should be legal to take it under a doctors care for your own personal reasons.

 

[Polfa/Jelfa]

Ya should be leggal to get prescribed...... for enchancment uses

 

[Golfer18--old]

I have a perfect record, but they would bust my ass for using AS and not eating fast food. Go bust the fat bitch in the McDonalds window with the triple patty sausage biscuit.

 

[CB38AC]

mike good idea but dream on bro

 

[BreezeKeeper]

However, the side effects of these drugs are much less severe than those from smoking and drinking. People have been taking these drugs for more than 40 years. Yet, we haven't seen the landslide of heart attack and cancer deaths predicted to the steroid Cassandras. The U.S. is supposed to be a free country. What right do lawmakers have to ban a drug that affects nobody but the user? Perhaps, it's time for the government and sports federations to lift the ban on steroids and allow people to be all they can be."


i couldn't agree more.

Honestly, I'm not automatically for or against legalization. I've no problem with them being illegal because I'm not naive to the genie that would be released from the steroid bottle. Despite heavy disbelief, there's still no proof either way that steroids contribute to aggressive personalities. We've seen road rage and all kinds of other rages, the last thing we need is a nation's youth jacked up on steroids while raging 'for any reason at all'. I've also seen plenty of guys who shouldn't be on the sauce. They're just bad eggs and they'd take the stuff just to live a mightier gangster lifestyle.

Taking supplements that grow naturally in the outside world are fine but taking steroids to gain an upperhand in anything is, unless your a scientist or a pure lover of some activity, cheating. It's not 'bettering' one's self, it's inflating one's self. And I've watched people make such faulty arguments to insist steroids are safe. Who says? Who can prove they are dangerous or safe?

Juice at your own risk, but don't expect the government to support you and make steroids legal to any jack schmoe 18 years or older just because they make him feel good, or because they enhance his performance. There's too many social implications and risks for that. And when the author of the article used the ancient argument that cigarettes and alcohol are just as bad and they are legal, he's saying that 3 wrongs make a right.

If, god forbid, there ARE risks associated with steroids...used properly OR not, then the government is well within its rights to keep the medical systems and insurance companies of the future from being overwhelmed just so people could get huge today.

Now, in case any of you are ready to pull a crank on me, I've used 'em. I liked 'em....a lot. I think they should be re-classified as a drug and punishments reduced, but I don't agree they should be legal. That would unleash a big f'ing monster that none of the quick-fix, gimme, gimme, gimme juicers could even fathom. Some people are just born to oppose any kind of restrictions, too. And I'm glad to obtain them through alternative channels.

Good luck, n God Bless,

Breezekeeper

 

[Elapid]

Breeze Keeper-

Here I am to harass you again but remember its just for the sake of debate and not a personal attack.

With that disclaimer out of the way, I have two questions for you:

1)Is taking Advil or Tylenol cheating since there not naturally occuring? or better yet is a person that takes their heart medication cheating death? or even better-the 65 year old who uses Androderm?

2)Where was the "Genie" in the '80s when steroid were'nt scheduled and easier to obtain without legal issue-I don't remember a rash of "roidraging" maniacs that terrorized the streets to then suddenly dissapear in the '90s when steroid were under tighter control.

Just some more food for thought and a polite rebutle to your arguments.

 

[Mike P.T.]

Breeze Keeper-

Here I am to harass you again but remember its just for the sake of debate and not a personal attack.

With that disclaimer out of the way, I have two questions for you:

1)Is taking Advil or Tylenol cheating since there not naturally occuring? or better yet is a person that takes their heart medication cheating death? or even better-the 65 year old who uses Androderm?

2)Where was the "Genie" in the '80s when steroid were'nt scheduled and easier to obtain without legal issue-I don't remember a rash of "roidraging" maniacs that terrorized the streets to then suddenly dissapear in the '90s when steroid were under tighter control.

Just some more food for thought and a polite rebutle to your arguments.

hmmmmmmmmm

 

[Elapid]

Mike-we must keep the same hours-your always on late night when I'm on.

 

[Mike P.T.]

Mike-we must keep the same hours-your always on late night when I'm on.

yes thats right. hehe don't have to wake up until afternoon during the week cuz i work after 3:00 pm hehehe so i usually go to bed around 6 in the morning.

 

[youngdeltman]

this was written in the latest Muscular Development:

" Steroids are banned because they're dangerous. However, the side effects of these drugs are much less severe than those from smoking and drinking. People have been taking these drugs for more than 40 years. Yet, we haven't seen the landslide of heart attack and cancer deaths predicted to the steroid Cassandras. "

The reason the death rate isn't as high as smoking or drinking is because more people smoke and drink, and the fact that smoking and drink are both legal.

If gear was legalized, and you compared the number of deaths or illnesses relative to the percantage of population that uses gear then the figures would be different.

eg: Say 1000 000 people (I'm just picking a figure) in the US drink and of those 500 000, maybe 1000 will die in a year as a result
Then if 20 000 people use gear and 200 die as a result (once again picking a figure)

Does that mean using gear is 5 time safer than drinking?

No.

 

[Mike P.T.]

another good point in this issue brought up by freeze from www.smartmuscle.com


http://www.smartmuscle.com/cgi-bin/ikon3/ikonboard.cgi?s=3c5bad216696ffff;act=ST;f=1;t=454

 

[Mike P.T.]

ok that didn't work. guess you'll just have to check out the site then.

 

[Punschkrapfen]

http://www.smartmuscle.com/cgi-bin/ikon3/ikonboard.cgi?s=3c5bad216696ffff;act=ST;f=1;t=454

 

[Punschkrapfen]

Re: Re: Time to lift steroid ban??

Juice at your own risk, but don't expect the government to support you and make steroids legal to any jack schmoe 18 years or older just because they make him feel good, or because they enhance his performance. There's too many social implications and risks for that. And when the author of the article used the ancient argument that cigarettes and alcohol are just as bad and they are legal, he's saying that 3 wrongs make a right.

If, god forbid, there ARE risks associated with steroids...used properly OR not, then the government is well within its rights to keep the medical systems and insurance companies of the future from being overwhelmed just so people could get huge today.

no, the goverment has no right to control my life. if its for insurance purposes, then ok, i would pay higher premiums for my medical insurance but then i want that for people with really dangerous activities like skydiving or river rafting also. And of course all sedentary, smoking and drinking couch potatoes should also be included in this high-risk group.

since when does the govenment "support" something just by letting it be legal?

and, so what if i take something "just to make me feel good"? hell, what is life all about - don't we strive to feel good every day?

 

[rohadawg]

i hope the day comes soon when we can walk into wal-mart and get a 100 dbol with my 50 sudafed.

 

[plow-horse]

When I started using AS it was legal you could go to a doctor tell him you were looking to get bigger he gave a physical and setup a program for you. It was $30 first visit and $10 a shot after.

But people wanted to do much bigger cycles than the doctor would give. So you had high school kids doing 2 and 3 times what the doctor would give 22 plus year olds the youngest he would do. There was a high school football team in my town caught all but 3 players were on AS the parents were pissed it was in all the papers I am sure this was happening all over the country.

Most the first time cycles I see here are 2 to 5 times what was OK by the doctors then. So if we could go to the doctors again the same thing would happen all over again.

Just my 2 cents

 

[BreezeKeeper]

Re: Re: Re: Time to lift steroid ban??

no, the goverment has no right to control my life. if its for insurance purposes, then ok, i would pay higher premiums for my medical insurance but then i want that for people with really dangerous activities like skydiving or river rafting also. And of course all sedentary, smoking and drinking couch potatoes should also be included in this high-risk group.[/q]

I'm not sure where you got the idea that the government has no right to control your life. Are ideas true just because you or I say so? Some people might say Americans have no right to be here, but our military took care of that argument years ago. Doesn't it come down to who has the most force and knows how to wield it? Whether or not the government has a right to control your life, it does. And if it isn't, then something else usually is. All of your preferences were conditioned into you very early in life so all of the things you think you like aren't even your choice...they are either there because your influences wanted you to have them, or because you are rebelling against them. But what do people know about original thinking?

The government has a function to perform. When it fails to be open and honest about its activities, the result is mistrust and paranoia and you see we have plenty of that. But don't let yourself get caught in the ineffective activity of arguing who has and hasn't what rights because the facts tell a different story.

since when does the govenment "support" something just by letting it be legal?[/Q]

Support might not be the best description. You might use the term 'compliance'. In any case, when you allow something to happen, without opposing it, you are, in effect, supporting it by getting out of it's way. Do you really think that 'just legalizing it' is as simple as that? That you'll be able to just pick up the phone and order steroids and the rest of your life and the world will be the same? No way. As usual, we'll cope with the changes, but you can expect life would be VERY different. This place, for starters, would probably be gone in less than a week.

and, so what if i take something "just to make me feel good"? hell, what is life all about - don't we strive to feel good every day?

Let's not confuse 'feeling good' with 'avoiding pain'. There's a major difference in attitude. I've never known gear to change a person's attitude. Like taking any feel-good drug, it might appear the person's attitude has changed because he's gotten some relief from feeling small or weak, but inside he knows his feeling good is tied into juicing and that without it, he's back on some part of the small and weak heap. An insecure person on juice just forces his insecurity underground where it continues to grow in the dark...the longer you juice, the harder it is to come off and stay off if you ever want to, or find you have to.

As far as I know, there aren't many secure people taking juice.

Breezekeeper

 

[muscleup]

the whole reason for steroids being illegal in this country is for the fact that the government makes a shit load of money on the scripts these doctors write, and if the were legal there would be less money made for them and cheaper results for us...........plain and simple.