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Three Cheers for Mel Gibson

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Longhorn85

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For committing himself to filming "The Passion" amid incredible controversy. It is ironic that one can make a film about sex or violence without a whisper, but base it on Christianity and out come the wolves.

This film will have an enormous impact on our nation. I hope Mel Gibson's career survives.
 
ttlpkg said:
For committing himself to filming "The Passion" amid incredible controversy. It is ironic that one can make a film about sex or violence without a whisper, but base it on Christianity and out come the wolves.

This film will have an enormous impact on our nation. I hope Mel Gibson's career survives.
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Agreed.
 
Guy has balls I'll give him that , but he cut out all the controversial bits , and left just a super gore fest .
 
If that film had been about Scientology I guarantee it never would have gotten made.
 
Dial_tone said:
If that film had been about Scientology I guarantee it never would have gotten made.
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Why do you say that ? There's a shit load of actors and LA types who are into that
 
Exactly, and they kill ANYTHING that might show the Church in a negative light.
 
Mandinka2 said:

Why do you say that ? There's a shit load of actors and LA types who are into that
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...but not ticket-buying mainstream Americans. The Passion will do well because Americans identify with it.
 
Dial_tone said:
Exactly, and they kill ANYTHING that might show the Church in a negative light.
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yeh but have u ever read that "dianetics shit" ? It's hilarious man , it's all science fiction shit , would make a great kids movie.
 
ttlpkg said:


...but not ticket-buying mainstream Americans. The Passion will do well because Americans identify with it.
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Huh??? The Passion is an unrelenting gore filled ultra violent depiction of J.C's last 12 hours , it's in the desert ,and the men are wearing skirts, other than those SM junkie fags living in Nevada I fail to see how they will "identify" with it. I'm a Catholic I should add and have seen a fair bit of violence in my day but I'm not gonna watch that misery , I have a pretty good idea without having to puke thru that.
 
Mandinka2 said:
The Passion is an unrelenting gore filled ultra violent depiction of J.C's last 12 hours , it's in the desert ,and the men are wearing skirts, other than those SM junkie fags living in Nevada I fail to see how they will "identify" with it.

I'm a Catholic
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Most protestants will identify with it because they have read the gospel. It is my experience that fewer catholics have actually read it for themselves.
 
Battlefeild Earth...

Dial_tone said:
If that film had been about Scientology I guarantee it never would have gotten made.
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Didn't John Travolta produce some movie based on L.Ron Hoover and his Hardware Store of Appliantology?
 
Good for Mel. I am proud of him for standing up amid controversy and doing what is supposed to be an accurate film.

However; those whiny ADL types can fuck off.
 
Re: Re: Battlefeild Earth...

ttlpkg said:


I heard it sucked.
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Not only was 'Battlefeild Earth: by L. Ron Hubbard' a total box office disaster, it was easily the worst movie of his career...and a total POS.

What was Travolta thinking..?

I sincerely hope this film does well for Mel.
 
Mandinka2 said:

yeh but have u ever read that "dianetics shit" ? It's hilarious man , it's all science fiction shit , would make a great kids movie.
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Not to mention that they sucker you in using a simple conductivity experiment.
 
I will go see it out of curiousty. Being familiar with the four gospels, I'm curious to see how they're interpreted.

At least, it looks like a movie that's different and original and thought-provoking. Unlike most Hollywood crap about elves and shit or Adam Sandler retardedness.......no offense, you guys know what I mean.

Also, I heard that Mel Gibson makes a cameo in the film. Its his hands that put the nails through Jesus' palms. Don't know if thats absolutely true or not. Saw it on TV.
 
This too is much ado about nothing. So much in that it plays as a destractive agent in keeping people from focusing on what is really important in thier day to day lives. Things such as why are we still in Iraq? Why did we even go to war with them? Where is Osama Bin Laden? What are we going to do, if anything, about the MMA party in Pakistan? They're the reincarnated Taliban.

You know real world issues.
 
The Church of Scientology is the ONLY religion where their "bible" (or equivalent of it) is not freely accessible by anyone. You HAVE to pay money for access to it and the more you pay the more parts you have access to. According to this link full enlightenment will cost you nearly $400,000. It's a sham.

http://www.bible.ca/scientology-price-list.htm
 
Dial_tone said:
The Church of Scientology is the ONLY religion where their "bible" (or equivalent of it) is not freely accessible by anyone. You HAVE to pay money for access to it and the more you pay the more parts you have access to. According to this link full enlightenment will cost you nearly $400,000. It's a sham.

http://www.bible.ca/scientology-price-list.htm
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the guy who founded it admits to running it as a scam or money grab,his name is hubbard and hubbert ,something along those lines
 
I just received the film's press package in the mail at my office. I'll read over it and let you know if there's anything interesting.
 
Obviously nobody read the link I posted. So here's the cliff's notes version:

[The movie isn't directly anti-semitic, only indirectly.] But the real concern is that the movie pits Jesus and his immediate followers against everyone else, perfect goodness against satanic evil. In so doing, "The Passion" has the potential to challenge the core values of democratic pluralism and mutual religious respect that undergird our country.
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WODIN said:
This too is much ado about nothing. So much in that it plays as a destractive agent in keeping people from focusing on what is really important in thier day to day lives. Things such as why are we still in Iraq? Why did we even go to war with them? Where is Osama Bin Laden? What are we going to do, if anything, about the MMA party in Pakistan? They're the reincarnated Taliban.

You know real world issues.
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What has gotten in to you? Your hatred for Bush has consumed you. The subject of this movie WILL impact on folks. It will even impact you I'll bet. I dare you to watch it with an open mind/heart.
 
casualbb said:
The source is on the previous page buddy.
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My bad.

The source must be considered.

"David Elcott is US director of interreligious affairs for the American Jewish Committee"

Think this guy has an agenda?
 
I take offense at that.

Since you obviously don't know anything about Jews, let me tell you some things.

We only give a shit about Jesus to the extent that his "followers" fuck with us. That, historically, has been quite a bit.

So if a movie has any hint of anti-semitism, Jews get a little anxious because we're so aware of past and present religious persecution. Even to this day Jews die by the dozens due to suicide bombings in Israel. So excuse our attitude, which is one of, "Just fucking great, another group that sees us as the Enemy."

What makes this movie so bad is that it has the potential to incite anti-semitism in a group that, so far, has largely left us alone: the modern american christian.

Does that make sense?
 
I don't see how this movie would incite anit-semitism in modern Christians, since it depicts the Gospel of Christ which any Christian is already quite familiar with already. Besides, it is history.
 
casualbb said:
I take offense at that.

Since you obviously don't know anything about Jews, let me tell you some things.

We only give a shit about Jesus to the extent that his "followers" fuck with us. That, historically, has been quite a bit.

So if a movie has any hint of anti-semitism, Jews get a little anxious because we're so aware of past and present religious persecution. Even to this day Jews die by the dozens due to suicide bombings in Israel. So excuse our attitude, which is one of, "Just fucking great, another group that sees us as the Enemy."

What makes this movie so bad is that it has the potential to incite anti-semitism in a group that, so far, has largely left us alone: the modern american christian.

Does that make sense?
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except for the part about israelites dying by the dozens. They dont appear to be completely innocent in all of that. as a modern american christian i could sure take offense to your comments in this post if it didnt seem the intent of the movie to stir up controversy.
 
What did I say that was offensive? I'm explaining the jewish perspective on Jesus and anti-semitism.

Also Jesus was jewish. Just a reminder.
 
casualbb said:
I take offense at that.

Since you obviously don't know anything about Jews, let me tell you some things.

We only give a shit about Jesus to the extent that his "followers" fuck with us. That, historically, has been quite a bit.

So if a movie has any hint of anti-semitism, Jews get a little anxious because we're so aware of past and present religious persecution. Even to this day Jews die by the dozens due to suicide bombings in Israel. So excuse our attitude, which is one of, "Just fucking great, another group that sees us as the Enemy."

What makes this movie so bad is that it has the potential to incite anti-semitism in a group that, so far, has largely left us alone: the modern american christian.

Does that make sense?
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Very well said Casualbb. I'm not Jewish (not truly Christian either) but I understand where you are coming from.

To me: it's just a movie. I prefer to judge people on their merits and actions (personality), not their choice of religion.

Of course, I also think the Bible is a work of fiction having only minimal historical accuracy, and a movie based on the Bible (this movie) is exactly that: a movie based on fiction. I believe their was a man named Jesus, but he was just a Jewish man born into royalty (ie: not the son of God). I believe he was crucified because he became a great Jewish leader who rallied the people against the Roman way of life. IMHO if Jesus was alive today he would be appalled at the horror and injustice that has been done in his name, all of it in the name of "Religion".

So from my point of view, this movie is exactly entertainment, nothing more. But seeing how many people take religion so seriously and can't see past their own beliefs to think from another man's point of view, I understand why you are upset.

I wish modern people could just open their minds and accept that not everyone believes the same things...
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
This is one of my must-see films.It is one of the most important historical events ever told on film IMO.
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I can't wait to see it. i think it was filmed as close to the truth as possible so we could see how jesus suffered for us. It was made for us to try to identify with what happend to him in his final hours. Crucifixtion(sp) was torture not some painless, goreless thing.
 
ttlpkg said:
What has gotten in to you? Your hatred for Bush has consumed you. The subject of this movie WILL impact on folks. It will even impact you I'll bet. I dare you to watch it with an open mind/heart.
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I'm just calling it like it is.

This movie will do about as much as The Last Temptation of Christ in relative terms.

Will it harden, soften then hearts of some? Of course it will. These people have no mind of there own so they'll sway like reeds in the wind till the next emotive example of distorted history comes along.
 
casualbb said:
What did I say that was offensive? I'm explaining the jewish perspective on Jesus and anti-semitism.

Also Jesus was jewish. Just a reminder.
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wow, i can see the great theological divide now! :)
 
ttlpkg said:
I don't see how this movie would incite anit-semitism in modern Christians, since it depicts the Gospel of Christ which any Christian is already quite familiar with already. Besides, it is history.
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The very essence of the passion play establishes Christianity as the enemey of Judiasm. Many people don't see this but they're not trying to see it either. They simply accept everything as historicaly accurate and go about thier daily lives not realizing they've been served a healthy dose of anti-semitism by a monotheistic system that promotes and indoctrinates people towards division, seperation and violence.
 
WODIN said:


The very essence of the passion play establishes Christianity as the enemey of Judiasm. Many people don't see this but they're not trying to see it either. They simply accept everything as historicaly accurate and go about thier daily lives not realizing they've been served a healthy dose of anti-semitism by a monotheistic system that promotes and indoctrinates people towards division, seperation and violence.
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im going to have to disagree with yoru timeless wisdom here.


Jews have the option of believing that jesus will fulfill the other half of the prophecy of the messiah (coming back again) or believing that he was not the messiah. their choices make jesus their enemy, Jesus himself said he came to fulfill the old law not abolish it.
 
A persons FAITH and Historical Accuracy are 2 totally seperate things IMO...

That's why it is called FAITH and not History or Scientific fact, right ?

I think most of us may agree in the basic Historical Facts of the Passion.

Jesus was Crucified as a result of the Jewish Religious Leaderships fears that he was causing problems with the Romans allowing the jews to run things without interferrence.

Us Blaming all Jews today for Jesus' death would be like the Jews blaming all of todays Germans for the deaths in WW II..

Yea, some still do, but it's not right..
 
J.C. forgave the Jews and the Romans on the cross , Pilate washing his hands disavowed responsibility for his murder. I don't think any real Christians bear any ill will towards any other believers or non-beleivers.
 
ANY movie that makes people think about the world around them, their lives, their love or their religion....

is a movie worth watching.

I think some of you miss the point.


It really doesnt matter whther the movie is good or bad... the simple fact that this thread and thousands like it exist... means MG did his job.


I cant wait to see it and Im not even a Christian.
 
Gymgurl said:




I can't wait to see it. i think it was filmed as close to the truth as possible so we could see how jesus suffered for us. It was made for us to try to identify with what happend to him in his final hours. Crucifixtion(sp) was torture not some painless, goreless thing.
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"Happy are those who have not seen and yet believe..." film will serve no purpose than being a gore fest for those who enjoy watching people being brutalized.
 
Mandinka2 said:

"Happy are those who have not seen and yet believe..." film will serve no purpose than being a gore fest for those who enjoy watching people being brutalized.
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Absolutley! A-freakin-men.
 
Mandinka2 said:

"Happy are those who have not seen and yet believe..." film will serve no purpose than being a gore fest for those who enjoy watching people being brutalized.
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There are many blood-thirsty film-watchers in America. Many will flock to the theater to get a taste of blood only to be exposed to the gospel for the first time. Lives will be changed. Many will become Christians.
 
We all know that many movies have suceeded or failed notwithstanding the prediction of critics.

Consumers will speak with their pocketbooks. We will see soon.
 
Y_Lifter said:
A persons FAITH and Historical Accuracy are 2 totally seperate things IMO...

That's why it is called FAITH and not History or Scientific fact, right ?

I think most of us may agree in the basic Historical Facts of the Passion.

Jesus was Crucified as a result of the Jewish Religious Leaderships fears that he was causing problems with the Romans allowing the jews to run things without interferrence.

Us Blaming all Jews today for Jesus' death would be like the Jews blaming all of todays Germans for the deaths in WW II..

Yea, some still do, but it's not right..
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yes esp the comparison with the germans
 
Milo Hobgoblin said:
ANY movie that makes people think about the world around them, their lives, their love or their religion....

is a movie worth watching.

I think some of you miss the point.


It really doesnt matter whther the movie is good or bad... the simple fact that this thread and thousands like it exist... means MG did his job.


I cant wait to see it and Im not even a Christian.
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I can't wait either.
 
atlantabiolab said:


As claimed by one author, who is doing his all to incite more controversy into the issue. After he and his ilk stir up enough shit about a film, polarizing the public more than the film could ever do alone, he can later say "see we told you this was bad".
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... worst argument ever.

Gibson HIMSELF admitted that he wants to polarize people around the issue and foster an us vs. them mentality. Did you read this whole article? Cause this is in there:

At the end of the screening, Gibson spoke to the audience of thousands. His words reinforced the movie's fundamental point: not that Jesus was a great teacher or moral leader, but that the world is divided between those who believe and those who deny. The opponents of Jesus are dupes of Satan, Gibson said. This personal read of the Passion by Gibson could now become gospel to millions around the world.
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That sound like Jesus' love and acceptance to you?
 
casualbb said:


... worst argument ever.

Gibson HIMSELF admitted that he wants to polarize people around the issue and foster an us vs. them mentality. Did you read this whole article? Cause this is in there:
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I could care less what Gibson wishes, since I am not witnessing Gibson write editorials in every major newspaper nor ranting on major news and talk outlets about the movie in any magnitude as that of the media. "IF" Gibson were acting as the media itself, then you may have a point, but he made a movie, with whatever agenda he wished, and the media has snowballed it to its present status, not him.

And I find it very hypocritical that the very people who believe that a piece of land is somehow their's by divine right are worried about how their ancestors are portrayed in a film.
 
So you think that the media is the ONLY thing that affects how a movie is perceived by the audience rather than, say, THE MOVIE ITSELF?
 
And another thing, you seem so sure that the media is trying to do whatever it can to demonize the movie and spin it the way it wants to.

Have you ever considered that a review such as the one I posted was just a response to the MOVIE ITSELF (see last post)? And that what Gibson said afterwards simply corroborated what the reviewer perceived about the movie while he was watching it?

Are you saying that you have never seen a movie and disagreed with its review? With people I spend my time with, that happens all the time.
 
casualbb said:
And another thing, you seem so sure that the media is trying to do whatever it can to demonize the movie and spin it the way it wants to.

Have you ever considered that a review such as the one I posted was just a response to the MOVIE ITSELF (see last post)? And that what Gibson said afterwards simply corroborated what the reviewer perceived about the movie while he was watching it?

Are you saying that you have never seen a movie and disagreed with its review? With people I spend my time with, that happens all the time.
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The media is doing a great job of placing prejudice into the populace whether real or contrived, before ever witnessing and judging the film. It is not hard to understand that without this "controversy" many would have seen this movie with very little thought save the film itself; no deeper meaning, no hidden agenda. Most people see a film and only witness it, they do not ponder the social and political aspects possible.

Throw every newpaper and TV show into this, with their take, and the public enters the film with the purpose of uncovering real and dreampt messages.
 
OMEGA said:



such as?:confused:
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A friend of the actor-director said the final version will not include a line from St Matthew's gospel in which the Jewish high priest Caiaphas says of the crucifixion: "His blood be on us and on our children."
www.religionnewsblog.com/ 5958-Mel_Gibson_cuts_scene_but_Jewish_groups_are_still_angry.html

Read it first in an Irish newspaper but just threw "The passion cuts" into google for now.
How ya been man?
 
WODIN said:
This too is much ado about nothing. So much in that it plays as a destractive agent in keeping people from focusing on what is really important in thier day to day lives. Things such as why are we still in Iraq? Why did we even go to war with them? Where is Osama Bin Laden? What are we going to do, if anything, about the MMA party in Pakistan? They're the reincarnated Taliban.

You know real world issues.
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What are you talking about wodie? This has nothing to do with nothing? All those other issues you listed are trivial crap compared to what Christ did for mankind 2004 years ago. He paid the ultimate sacrafice for mankind. I mean do you realize God incarnate let his creation kill him so He could save His creation. I can't think of anything MORE important than what Christ especially because what you choose to do with God's Son will determine the rest of eternity for you.

I too am looking foward to see even though it is going to be very sad to see what happenened to Christ.
 
casualbb said:
I take offense at that.

Since you obviously don't know anything about Jews, let me tell you some things.

We only give a shit about Jesus to the extent that his "followers" fuck with us. That, historically, has been quite a bit.

So if a movie has any hint of anti-semitism, Jews get a little anxious because we're so aware of past and present religious persecution. Even to this day Jews die by the dozens due to suicide bombings in Israel. So excuse our attitude, which is one of, "Just fucking great, another group that sees us as the Enemy."

What makes this movie so bad is that it has the potential to incite anti-semitism in a group that, so far, has largely left us alone: the modern american christian.

Does that make sense?
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No it does not.
 
casualbb said:

What makes this movie so bad is that it has the potential to incite anti-semitism in a group that, so far, has largely left us alone: the modern american christian.

Does that make sense?
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Your comment does not make sense because the movie will not introduce any new information to the American Christian. The gospel is studied every week in churches across the country.

This movie is an epic biblical movie in the tradition of "The Ten Commandments", "Ben Hur", "King of Kings" and "Sampson and Delilah".
 
There's a difference between reading a sterile book and seeing images specifically designed to incite emotion.
 
I keep coming back to this thread to try to post something constructive, but I just can't do it. I will never understand the purpose of religion.
 
ttlpkg said:


Your bias, animosity and agenda finally revealed.
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Bible = storybook.
Bias? What, it's a book!
Animosity? I don't hate books. In fact, I read them all the time.
Agenda? Only that I don't plan to read it.
 
juicedmullet said:


im going to have to disagree with yoru timeless wisdom here.


Jews have the option of believing that jesus will fulfill the other half of the prophecy of the messiah (coming back again) or believing that he was not the messiah. their choices make jesus their enemy, Jesus himself said he came to fulfill the old law not abolish it.
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It goes beyond whether someone has a choice or not. Bhuddist, Hinduist, Shintos, Janist, zoararastrians all have the same choice yet society does not look upon them with the same derision as is offered to the Jews. Why is this?

As we approach the easter season pay special attention to the reactions of others at critical points in the passion play. The judgement in front of pilot. The Temple and the money changers. The crowd choosing barabas. These are all points that split apart judiasm and turn it into pariah.
 
WODIN said:


It goes beyond whether someone has a choice or not. Bhuddist, Hinduist, Shintos, Janist, zoararastrians all have the same choice yet society does not look upon them with the same derision as is offered to the Jews. Why is this?

As we approach the easter season pay special attention to the reactions of others at critical points in the passion play. The judgement in front of pilot. The Temple and the money changers. The crowd choosing barabas. These are all points that split apart judiasm and turn it into pariah.
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I think all this antisemitism stuff is silly. Christians know that Christ had to die to fullfill his purpose. Why would they blame the Jews? If he didn't die, we would all be lost and be bound by the same law the Jews would and I like shrimp, lobster and pork. Jesus must have loved the Jews otherwise He wouldn't have picked being born Jewish. All the most righeous people have been Jews - Moses, Abraham, Isaac and on and on.

I mean blaming the current day Jews for something that happened 2000 years ago is just as stupid as blaming current day white Americans for slavery. It's moronic.

My hope for this movie is that it helps more people accept the Lord as their Savior before they die and can't.
 
I hate christians and I really don't give a fuck about jews.In fact I think all religions are a joke.This movie is equal to any other fiction movie Like bill and teds exelent adventure.

P.S don't the jews control the media.
If this is true how did this movie get made?
 
randyjones said:
I hate christians and I really don't give a fuck about jews.
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Do you really "hate" Christians. If yes, where the heck are the "hater" police mainly Chefwide and BluePeter. I guess they only protect muslims. What a couple hyprocrites.
 
curling said:


Do you really "hate" Christians. If yes, where the heck are the "hater" police mainly Chefwide and BluePeter. I guess they only protect muslims. What a couple hyprocrites.
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I'm right here and I have to agree with Tiervexx, the amount of ignorance in this thread is nauseating. In relation to the quote you are referring to, the dude has every right to not 'like' religion and choose to not follow it but should be a little more open minded. Don't 'hate' it just because. Study these things a little and decide for yourself whether to follow/believe or not. I choose not to but I don't 'hate' those that are religious, that would make me like you curlyboy.
 
bluepeter said:


I'm right here and I have to agree with Tiervexx, the amount of ignorance in this thread is nauseating. In relation to the quote you are referring to, the dude has every right to not 'like' religion and choose to not follow it but should be a little more open minded. Don't 'hate' it just because. Study these things a little and decide for yourself whether to follow/believe or not. I choose not to but I don't 'hate' those that are religious, that would make me like you curlyboy.
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SO I have every right not to like islam or follow it right? But you never called him a hater or a racist like you did me. And he even said hate. So what is the deal?
 
curling said:


SO I have every right not to like islam or follow it right? But you never called him a hater or a racist like you did me. And he even said hate. So what is the deal?
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Fuck! You just don't get it.

Yes, you have every right to not like Islam or religion in general and I won't say a word. You also can make stupid, uninformed generalizations and outright attacks against Islam or any other race/creed/religion/gender because that is your right but I will call you on it every time.
 
bluepeter said:


Fuck! You just don't get it.

Yes, you have every right to not like Islam or religion in general and I won't say a word. You also can make stupid, uninformed generalizations and outright attacks against Islam or any other race/creed/religion/gender because that is your right but I will call you on it every time.
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"Fuck"??? You don't get it.

Why don't you call randyjones on the carpet is what I am saying. I mean he said he actually said he "hated" Christians. And then you pussyfoot around and saying that he shouldn't do that but then you call me a racist for calling them towel head which is not a false statement they were towel, rags engines(:D) or whatever on their head. I mean most people call them that anyway after 9/11. Are you a bigot against Texans or what?
 
curling said:


"Fuck"??? You don't get it.

Why don't you call randyjones on the carpet is what I am saying. I mean he said he actually said he "hated" Christians. And then you pussyfoot around and saying that he shouldn't do that but then you call me a racist for calling them towel head which is not a false statement they were towel, rags engines(:D) or whatever on their head. I mean most people call them that anyway after 9/11. Are you a bigot against Texans or what?
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Are you still here?

Dumbass
 
bluepeter said:


Are you still here?

Dumbass
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And I will stay here until you explain why you don't call out randyjones for saying that he hated Christians. Maybe you are not because you agree with him or something?
 
play nice boys. christians aren't evil, neither are muslims. organized religion is what breeds hate and intolerance.
 
curling said:


And I will stay here until you explain why you don't call out randyjones for saying that he hated Christians. Maybe you are not because you agree with him or something?
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I gently chastised him because he made one ill-informed comment that he probably just overstated. He likely doesn't like religion and as I said, big deal, lot's of people don't.

He didn't state that all 'ragheads' are dirty and poor living in the streets.

He didn't say that all muslims should be put in concentration camps like the 'japs' in WWII.

He didn't say that Islam is an evil cult comparable to Charles Manson and Jim Jones.

Statements such as these along with many many others are why you are ignorant, generalizing piece of shit.

Again, I am giving randyjones the benefit of the doubt. You lost any such privilege fucknut.
 
bluepeter said:


I gently chastised him because he made one ill-informed comment that he probably just overstated. He likely doesn't like religion and as I said, big deal, lot's of people don't.

He didn't state that all 'ragheads' are dirty and poor living in the streets.

He didn't say that all muslims should be put in concentration camps like the 'japs' in WWII.

He didn't say that Islam is an evil cult comparable to Charles Manson and Jim Jones.

Statements such as these along with many many others are why you are ignorant, generalizing piece of shit.

Again, I am giving randyjones the benefit of the doubt. You lost any such privilege fucknut.
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Fine. But I still never said I "hated" anybody now did I. And you use way to many absolutes when you paraphrase what I said. I didn't say all towel heads were poor or dirty did I?
 
curling said:


Kind of the same thing that organized fags do to huh?
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It's not so much religion itself that breeds hate and such, it's the "us vs them" mentality that does it. Hate and intolerance has spread wherever there has been things in history to divide humans. Blacks vs whites, fags vs straights, Russians vs Americans, etc. Religion is simply one more way to "divide" us into groups. Your attitude towards anyone who doesn't think like you is a shining example of what religion was created to do: create hate and intolerance towards others.

Maybe someday you will be able to talk to a Muslim or a Jew and not judge them simply based on their religion, but you aren't there yet.
 
Forge said:


It's not so much religion itself that breeds hate and such, it's the "us vs them" mentality that does it. Hate and intolerance has spread wherever there has been things in history to divide humans. Blacks vs whites, fags vs straights, Russians vs Americans, etc. Religion is simply one more way to "divide" us into groups. Your attitude towards anyone who doesn't think like you is a shining example of what religion was created to do: create hate and intolerance towards others.

Maybe someday you will be able to talk to a Muslim or a Jew and not judge them simply based on their religion, but you aren't there yet.
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Nicely put Forge :)
 
Forge said:


It's not so much religion itself that breeds hate and such, it's the "us vs trs.

Maybe someday you will be able to talk to a Muslim or a Jew and not judge them simply based on their religion, but you aren't there yet.
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It basically is a us vs them. Muslims hate Christians heck Americans for that matter. They would like to see us all dead. And since I am a human I have a desire to live so my protective spirit comes into play when a group once me and my kind dead.

Oh btw I have no problem with Jews. They are God's chosen people afterall. Why would I have a problem with them? In otherwords, how come you put them in your last sentence?
 
curling, Muslims don't hate us. Some of them do, yes. But not because they are Muslim ...

It's like saying that you hate gay people. Since you hate gay people, all Christians must hate all homosexuals as well.

You picking up what I'm laying down?
 
From Zero said:
curling, Muslims don't hate us. Some of them do, yes. But not because they are Muslim ...

It's like saying that you hate gay people. Since you hate gay people, all Christians must hate all homosexuals as well.

You picking up what I'm laying down?
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Yea, I see what you are saying. Is it ok for me to say a majority of muslims hate us then? :D
 
casualbb said:


Bible = storybook.
Bias? What, it's a book!
Animosity? I don't hate books. In fact, I read them all the time.
Agenda? Only that I don't plan to read it.
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100% accurate.
bible; written by men not God.
books in the bible; voted on by a committee appointed by roman emperor constantine. (don't believe it? look it up)
books not included; up to 300, some of which were written by the same men whose books were included.
 
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