Thoughts on switching from var to winny

[RachelEFC]

guys... been running 10mg var ed x about 4 weeks. I'm very happy with the results I'm getting (yikes the guy that owns my gym emailed me and asked if I was juicking, because his manager noticed and said I must be because I'm getting big too fast) ************ I have winny availabe and am considering giving this a try. Should I be giving myself a break inbetween or okay to switch? I've only got about 4 days left of var.

any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated

 

[bw1]

For me switching compunds or adding a different compound to my cyle works great. That said, If this is your first cycle, I would probably take a break and then get everything together for your second cycle.

 

[JimBoy]

I love women on AAS. A woman at my gym who I've known for over 10 years just started a winny cycle about a month ago (she also is taking some lipoflame I gave her and has her diet is in check) and she looks better than I've ever seen her. If you are only 4 days away from the end of the cycle, I would just wait and run the winny as your second cycle.

 

[GUARDIAN]

10mg is alot u should only need 5mg of var.

be aware though that winny may have increased sides 4 u such as enlarged clitoris.

 

[uncle-jimmy]

What was the question?I cant get past that avatar

 

[RachelEFC]

10mg is alot u should only need 5mg of var.

be aware though that winny may have increased sides 4 u such as enlarged clitoris.

yes that is definately a concern... the only problem I've had with the var is some acne.

 

[uncle-jimmy]

yes that is definately a concern... the only problem I've had with the var is some acne.

Stay with the anavar win can have unpleasent side effects for sure hairloss and joint pain for starters .I would say since you are a woman seek out oxandrin though pricey for us at 50mg a day for woman at 10mg it is affortable and very effective

 

[druncanwaria]

10mg is alot u should only need 5mg of var.

be aware though that winny may have increased sides 4 u such as enlarged clitoris.

permanantly?

 

[uncle-jimmy]

permanantly?

U wanna take that chance as a woman?

 

[RachelEFC]

Stay with the anavar win can have unpleasent side effects for sure hairloss and joint pain for starters .I would say since you are a woman seek out oxandrin though pricey for us at 50mg a day for woman at 10mg it is affortable and very effective

thanks guys I appreciate the feedback...

 

[druncanwaria]

U wanna take that chance as a woman?

dunno im not a woman.. as long as it didnt grow to penis or finger size it could have advantages

 

[splperformance]

well let's just look at it this way...first things first, is the winny in tab form or injectable because i don't know too many women who like getting stuck with a needle ED...second, like guardian said, 5mg ED for a woman is more than enough...especially one of your stature...how long were you planning on running your cycle of anavar cuz from the sound of it, you'll be done with 5 weeks once you run out...personally if i were you and that was the case, i would finish up the var that you have and call it a day until the next cycle...and for future cycles, always remember to have EVERYTHING you need on hand before you start so you don't run into a situation like this...

and yes, an enlarged clitoris, although sexually enhancing to orgasms, really isn't the most attractive thing for a guy to look at...especially when it can look almost like a super mini penis...not cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RachelEFC]

well let's just look at it this way...first things first, is the winny in tab form or injectable because i don't know too many women who like getting stuck with a needle ED...second, like guardian said, 5mg ED for a woman is more than enough...especially one of your stature...how long were you planning on running your cycle of anavar cuz from the sound of it, you'll be done with 5 weeks once you run out...personally if i were you and that was the case, i would finish up the var that you have and call it a day until the next cycle...and for future cycles, always remember to have EVERYTHING you need on hand before you start so you don't run into a situation like this...

and yes, an enlarged clitoris, although sexually enhancing to orgasms, really isn't the most attractive thing for a guy to look at...especially when it can look almost like a super mini penis...not cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

agreed... I like my clitoris the way it is. I was going to run the var for atleast 8 weeks, but cannot do that unless some magically show up on my doorstep.

as far as needles go... I'm not scared. I belive however that the winny is in tab form, though I did call early today wondering if I could get injectable.

I'm just evaluating my options

 

[halfcenturian]

10mg is alot u should only need 5mg of var.

be aware though that winny may have increased sides 4 u such as enlarged clitoris.

It that a PROBLEM ?!?! The bigger the better. I think.

 

[splperformance]

agreed... I like my clitoris the way it is. I was going to run the var for atleast 8 weeks, but cannot do that unless some magically show up on my doorstep.

as far as needles go... I'm not scared. I belive however that the winny is in tab form, though I did call early today wondering if I could get injectable.

I'm just evaluating my options

now that i think about it, if it is less than 50mg per dose than it would be tablets since they can be found in 5mg, 10mg, etc. etc. and injectables run 50 and 100mg...but with the needles and shooting everyday, you might start to get some serious bumps in your delts if that is your only area for injections...if you alternate between glutes and delts than you'd be fine...but why am i rambling, female doses come in tabs so you wouldn't have to worry about it anyways cuz the last thing you want is a boat load of scar tissue from shooting only 1/10 CC ED...not worth it ya know...hope my rambling helps lol

 

[RachelEFC]

I'm already paranoid about it because for the past couple of days I've had this "feeling down there"... like it was growing as I was sitting in my office at work

 

[halfcenturian]

agreed... I like my clitoris the way it is. I was going to run the var for atleast 8 weeks, but cannot do that unless some magically show up on my doorstep.

as far as needles go... I'm not scared. I belive however that the winny is in tab form, though I did call early today wondering if I could get injectable.

I'm just evaluating my options

Stick with Var. Much better compound - for men or women.

What's your address? I'll have 5000 tabs there in the morning. J/K

 

[splperformance]

I'm already paranoid about it because for the past couple of days I've had this "feeling down there"... like it was growing as I was sitting in my office at work

ooo yea...VAR does have that unfortunate same side effect...but remember, not all men or women are prone to AAS sides...but if it feels like it's growing, take a look and see if you notice anything

no no seriously...take a look

 

[RachelEFC]

I can't tell? lol nothing noticeable?

 

[splperformance]

I can't tell? lol nothing noticeable?

well if it looks the same, then it must be the same...the enlarging that occurs from var and/or winny is quite noticable as it will (in most cases) swell up to look like a mini penis head popping out of you...so i guess it's safe to say you're good to go and the growing you felt at work was all in your head...don't worry, it happens to all of us...the side effects in our head, that is

 

[uncle-jimmy]

ooo yea...VAR does have that unfortunate same side effect...but remember, not all men or women are prone to AAS sides...but if it feels like it's growing, take a look and see if you notice anything

no no seriously...take a look

Stop it,Unless your taking test or tren 5 or 10mg of var is harmless even for a woman (my girl took 20mg var ed,100mg primo ew,and 200 mg prop per week and her clit stayed the same)

 

[RachelEFC]

maybe the feeling is just because I'm horny?

eh I don't know

 

[RachelEFC]

i need to find pictures on the web now of the mini penis clitoris... I'm curious to know what it could look like.

 

[splperformance]

Stop it,Unless your taking test or tren 5 or 10mg of var is harmless even for a woman (my girl took 20mg var ed,100mg primo ew,and 200 mg prop per week and her clit stayed the same)

well congrats to your girl but remember one thing...side effects are REAL but NOT every person gets them...alot of guys get gyno from juice, but i dont...that doesn't mean that gyno isn't real...a friend of mine was taking 10mg ED of VAR and YES her clit swelled up, alot...and it was a var only cycle...

 

[splperformance]

maybe the feeling is just because I'm horny?

eh I don't know

this could be it...lol

as to your other comment, finding a picture of it isn't gonna mean anything to you...it's all relative to what size your clit was before you started var...but like i said before, if it looks normal than you're good to go as the swelling would have already occured, so i would go watch rambo and then you'll forget all about lol...dont ask me where that came from

 

[RachelEFC]

well congrats to your girl but remember one thing...side effects are REAL but NOT every person gets them...alot of guys get gyno from juice, but i dont...that doesn't mean that gyno isn't real...a friend of mine was taking 10mg ED of VAR and YES her clit swelled up, alot...and it was a var only cycle...

really?

 

[uncle-jimmy]

maybe the feeling is just because I'm horny?

eh I don't know

lmk if you need any help with that

 

[splperformance]

really?

yes but this is the best advice i can give you right now...

RELAX...

everything is fine so don't even sweat it...

 

[RachelEFC]

You guys are great.

 

[halfcenturian]

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[Mr. Matt]

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Lol that is a nice porno post.

 

[swole]

what about some primo?

 

[chazk]

Rachel I have seen the pics of you over the months . You have a beautiful body please let this be you're first and last cycle.

Even at small doses var and winstrol really gives women a hard jawline please don't take away from you're angelic appearance

 

[eddymerckx]

Rachel I have seen the pics of you over the months . You have a beautiful body please let this be you're first and last cycle.

Even at small doses var and winstrol really gives women a hard jawline please don't take away from you're angelic appearance

+1 do a cycle after you have your last kid (if you want kids)...would not mess with any gear before then--nothing to back up this statement except there is not enough a huge amout of anecdotal evidence much less peer reviewed research.

 

[heavy_duty]

Surprised a thread asking for gear went this long LOL

 

[Tatyana]

Hey hun,

You know, I know very little about your training history, how you train, how long you have been training.

My concern is that I know you are finishing an MBA, and I know from personal experience that it is SO difficult to stay focused on training and diet while studying.

I am wondering if you have given seriously proper training and diet the go that would give you the results you want.

I would stop the cycle when you are out of var, take a break, wait till your MBA is complete and then focus on some hardcore training, see what happens to your body, and then AFTER a year of this, re-assess and see if you want to do another cycle.

I know it took me YEARS to figure out the intensity to train at, and I started weight training at 16.

It's not about knowing what to do, but a whole way of BEING about training, a mind-muscle connection that I find a lot of people don't get initially, and then have a tendency to jump on the steroid bandwagon.

Nothing wrong with steroids, but without sorting out the training and diet first, the gains from steroids will be short-lived but the sides for women are all too often permanent.

I saw far too many scary monsters at the Arnie this year with no bloody muscle to show for what they have done to their faces and voices not to say something.

 

[Mavafanculo]

i need to find pictures on the web now of the mini penis clitoris... I'm curious to know what it could look like.

1) search 'denise masino' i think thats the spelling - she's a female BB who must have done ALOT of androgenic cycles, and now proudly lifts her dress at the drop of a hat to show everybody her not-so-little friend

2) the feeling that its growing is probably because var binds shbg - which frees up testosterone. that'll increase libido, and also cause firmer clitoral erections (or you'll get them for the first time) .

3) winny is in a WHOLE other league with regard to masculinization. cliteromegaly, deepened voice (both permanent to some extent), beard growth, acne, etc etc

and the difference between just enuf and ^^ the above isnt that great.

If you're gonna graduate to winny, be sure you're doing it under the guidence of a female who's done it before and after you've read everything you can find on the board about the side effects in females.

 

[Thandie]

U wanna take that chance as a woman?

No, is not permanent.

 

[Thandie]

i need to find pictures on the web now of the mini penis clitoris... I'm curious to know what it could look like.

Everyone reacts fifferently. With 10mg of Anavar I had no sides. Clit did not enlarged. With Wintrol, sides includes water retention, I looked like I got a tan, clit got a bit enlarged, but it went back to normal. I heard that it stays a bit larger, but If it does, is not noticible to me. I hope that helps..

 

[Thandie]

Hey hun,

You know, I know very little about your training history, how you train, how long you have been training.

My concern is that I know you are finishing an MBA, and I know from personal experience that it is SO difficult to stay focused on training and diet while studying.

I am wondering if you have given seriously proper training and diet the go that would give you the results you want.

I would stop the cycle when you are out of Anavar - oxandrolone - , take a break, wait till your MBA is complete and then focus on some hardcore training, see what happens to your body, and then AFTER a year of this, re-assess and see if you want to do another cycle.

I know it took me YEARS to figure out the intensity to train at, and I started weight training at 16.

It's not about knowing what to do, but a whole way of BEING about training, a mind-muscle connection that I find a lot of people don't get initially, and then have a tendency to jump on the steroid bandwagon.

Nothing wrong with steroids, but without sorting out the training and diet first, the gains from steroids will be short-lived but the sides for women are all too often permanent.

I saw far too many scary monsters at the Arnie this year with no bloody muscle to show for what they have done to their faces and voices not to say something.

I agree with Tatyana. Check your diet and train hard for a few years before you use steroids. It should be the last thing, when all fails.

 

[Mavafanculo]

No, is not permanent.

you sure about that? asking as a question, not rhetorically.

everything I've ever read in mags and on the boards and in profiles says masculinization effects are largely permanent (clit and vocal chords anyway)

 

[Thandie]

you sure about that? asking as a question, not rhetorically.

everything I've ever read in mags and on the boards and in profiles says masculinization effects are largely permanent (clit and vocal chords anyway)

I've been reading the samething. In fact, I'm trying to educate myself as well as anyone else here. But, my experience is: I used wintrol about 10 years ago; and the sides I had were, enlarged clit, water retention, crackling voice, sexual aroused, and it looked like I had a tan; something I didn't hear anyone mentioned. Everything went away. The clit and the voice took a bit longer, but it all came back. I think if you do it for a long time, perhaps it will become permanent. I have no intention on being on the stuff for a long time.

Now, 10 years later, I'm trying Anavar and winstrol. So far, only sides are, sexual aroused. If I see others, I will stop. However, my cicle will end in 3 weeks.

 

[fitness-rubber]

If you're gonna graduate to winny, be sure you're doing it under the guidence of a female who's done it before and after you've read everything you can find on the board about the side effects in females.

If it's something that you're convinced that you have to do, ^^ is the best advice you're going to get.

 

[uncle-jimmy]

Alot of good advice in this thread

 

[RachelEFC]

+1 do a cycle after you have your last kid (if you want kids)...would not mess with any gear before then--nothing to back up this statement except there is not enough a huge amout of anecdotal evidence much less peer reviewed research.

I don't think I'm having any kids.


Thanks guys, you've given me some awesome feedback and lots of stuff to think about.

 

[mydawgs]

I have some questions, what exactly are you trying to achieve? Does the payoff appear to be worth the risks? Is there another way to accomplish what you are looking for with less risk?

Good luck to you what ever you decide

 

[humble]

permanantly?

Well, my wife actually enjoys her clit being larger/engorged. She is on Test E 12 mg per week. She was not satisfied with her results on var. She loves test, and we have found the right dose to help minimize any sides.

 

[RachelEFC]

Well, my wife actually enjoys her clit being larger/engorged. She is on Test E 12 mg per week. She was not satisfied with her results on var. She loves test, and we have found the right dose to help minimize any sides.

I've enjoyed the increased sex drive I've had... maybe it's just mental?

 

[Thandie]

I've enjoyed the increased sex drive I've had... maybe it's just mental?

No, I don't think is mental. It happens to be one of the sides.... A good one!

 

[RachelEFC]

No, I don't think is mental. It happens to be one of the sides.... A good one!

YEah... frickin fantastic. Still have the rugburn however and that's not so pleasant.

 

[DJ_UFO]

10mg is alot u should only need 5mg of var.

be aware though that winny may have increased sides 4 u such as enlarged clitoris.

that's one of the good side effects.

 

[slat1]

I wouldn't recomend winny to a woman unless she was interested in pursuing a serious bbing career. At that I also know IFBB pro's who have never used it.
Diet is number one as always.