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Yes, Gear.... If you're on gear and you don't get those kind of results in a few years time I'd say your doing something wrong.

I also think it may have to do with age, and amount of natural testosterone production.
 
who knows what doses this kid was on. as far as we know he's been totally addicted and hasnt come off of 200mg/eod of prop for the last 1.5 - 2 yrs.

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the small soldier said:
good genes. good diet, hard training... probably "stays on" def possible and not overly impressive
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yea i dont think its anything out of the ordinary except for the sped up time frame of getting it done fast. thats where the gear comes in of course
 
lots of juice. i mean, lots of juice. ya he probablly trained very hard and ate right, but tons of spray in that kid. no one can make that kind of progress that fast naturally if they did it would be in the record books. you dont see too many guys with that kind of muscle mass who are natural at all, let alone at 18 years old. genetics played a role for sure and yeah he has some damn good ones, but still. i smell juice. 200mg eod of prop sounds about right, combined with god knows what else. probablly several things included in his cycle and im tempted to believe some hgh is in there too.
 
he is natty--got that way from working out 3 days a week and taking a multi-vitamin....on further review, (1) does not appear any taller suggesting gear; (2) good genetics; (3) probably no job/school; (4) got his gear delivered by the gallon; (5) prob GH and those others we don't mention; (6) would hate to see an scan of his heart, liver, fused joints/plates...life expectancy at this rate... 43?
 
Near the very end, one picture he has gyno. No joke.
During the side by side pix

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I'm in a bit of an asshole of a mood today so all I have to say is, if he is still 160cms, jokes on him, fuck being that short (no offence to anyone on this board who is that short, but I know you wish you were taller)

And seeing it looks like he geared at 16 or earlier, pretty sure he'd still be around the 160cm mark lulz.
 
Hey bro, it's only muscles. You can have them too, they'll just be YOUR style.

Sure, he had a naturally good frame, but he doesn't look all that amazing to me.

What else has he got in his life?

Confusious proverb: "Compare yourself to others and you'll always feel either vain or bitter. "
 
I agree with Nelson, not looking that good at all. And with 3-4 years of non-stop juicing that's obviously achieveable. He reminds me of some of those competitive 20yr old powerlifters I sometimes see training at our gym in evenings ... Also, if he would cut properly now he would end up closer to 100kgs than 120.
 
You guys are crazy if you think hes only taking 200mg prop eod, I bet my left nut sack hes on minimum 2 grams of steroids.. But this kid works fuking hard, ive seen many of his videos and he's dedicated ..
Some of you said his physique is not that impressive, i bet most of you would kill to look like him but you cant and hate on him to make yourself feel better.... If he cut to 6%bf he will be bigger and leaner than everyone in this whole board except the dude above me.. The kid is only 18 and he's a fuking monster, i give him credit for that even if hes on shitloads of juice..
 
Iron Warrior707 said:
You guys are crazy if you think hes only taking 200mg prop eod, I bet my left nut sack hes on minimum 2 grams of steroids.. But this kid works fuking hard, ive seen many of his videos and he's dedicated ..
Some of you said his physique is not that impressive, i bet most of you would kill to look like him but you cant and hate on him to make yourself feel better.... If he cut to 6%bf he will be bigger and leaner than everyone in this whole board except the dude above me.. The kid is only 18 and he's a fuking monster, i give him credit for that even if hes on shitloads of juice..
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Credit for what? Devoting his life to working out and destroying his hormonal system to look like a million other guys?

Hey, a lot of us work hard. I love the life. But it isn't all there is to life. Fuck, when that photo in my avatar was taken, I had a career in music, was raising kid and writing for 4 magazines. I was on 10 mgs of dbol a day and 200 mgs of primo a week. And I may not be as big as that kid, but I think I look at least as good. I want to see what that kid looks like in 30 years.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Credit for what? Devoting his life to working out and destroying his hormonal system to look like a million other guys?

Hey, a lot of us work hard. I love the life. But it isn't all there is to life. Fuck, when that photo in my avatar was taken, I had a career in music, was raising kid and writing for 4 magazines. I was on 10 mgs of dbol a day and 200 mgs of primo a week. And I may not be as big as that kid, but I think I look at least as good. I want to see what that kid looks like in 30 years.
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If he were smart he would just cut his gear use to like 200 mg a week and stay on HRT because that the rate he's going it's doubtful he'll be able to recover. I went to basic training with a guy like that. Started juice young and messed up his entire endocrine system. The army provided him with the gear he needed because he was "addicted" his body literally shut down, back when I joined they would take anyone. If he came off test, his test was next to zero endogenously.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Credit for what? Devoting his life to working out and destroying his hormonal system to look like a million other guys?

Hey, a lot of us work hard. I love the life. But it isn't all there is to life. Fuck, when that photo in my avatar was taken, I had a career in music, was raising kid and writing for 4 magazines. I was on 10 mgs of dbol a day and 200 mgs of primo a week. And I may not be as big as that kid, but I think I look at least as good. I want to see what that kid looks like in 30 years.
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Why not? His goal is to be an IFBB pro bodybuilder, its his job, he make money from his body.. Look at how successful jay cutler, ronnie coleman and other pro bodybuilders are, they're rich as fuk and did what they love to do to make a living, and strted out just like him..

Ofcourse they have nothing else to do other than workout and take roids like jay cutler, his life is boring from the videos i've seen, but thats what he chose to do in life and his making mad money from his sponsors and competing..
I still give the kid credit for what he's done..
 
the small soldier said:
If he were smart he would just cut his gear use to like 200 mg a week and stay on HRT because that the rate he's going it's doubtful he'll be able to recover. I went to basic training with a guy like that. Started juice young and messed up his entire endocrine system. The army provided him with the gear he needed because he was "addicted" his body literally shut down, back when I joined they would take anyone. If he came off test, his test was next to zero endogenously.
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Why would he cut his gear down? Did jay cutler cut his gear down to be mr olympia? I dont think so.. He'll be on hrt for the rest of his life just like any other pro's..
 
Iron Warrior707 said:
Why would he cut his gear down? Did jay cutler cut his gear down to be mr olympia? I dont think so.. He'll be on hrt for the rest of his life just like any other pro's..
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Cut down so he can give his body a chance to rest. Give his aldosterone-renin system a chance to relax, this kid is gonna stroke out. Ronnie and Jay maybe huge but look at them when they were younger they weren't taking all they took now, they took time to allow their bodies to mature, they got huge but not over night. Also IDC what everyone says I know lots of competitors, Pro and amateur, they do rest and they cruise they don't do balls to the wall cycles day in and day out.
 
Let's pull up pictures of Dorian Yates and be jealous.

Don't be silly bro, in this game your own mind is your worst enemy.
 
THis is the reason Steroids are a controlled substance, How stupid.

There's more to life at that age than steroids ,as he will learn the hard way when he's older.
 
As others have said before.....unimpressed. Its obvious hes been juicing for a while and he doesnt even look good IMO. Kinda has a weird shape/structure. Back dub bi looks like Quazimoto got ahold of some sauce.

personally I think his genetics are average. Responded well to gear I guess. But who knows how much this kid was on.
 
I think he looks too bulky and too big I don't like that kind of big horrible physique no definition at all just my opinion as I don't like the big bulky physiques.
 
most bodybuilders do not make money at this. i wish this kid well but if he thinks one day he will be another Yates or Cutler the chances are very slim to none.. its like putting up a video of yourself playing basketball and getting 50 points at a pickup game with your friends and thinking one day you will be in the NBA. or that he will be able to bodybuild full time and have sponsors pay him and not have a nagging wife with 3 kids and a full time job and struggling to pay his mortgage and the normal shit everyone has to deal with.

i do give him credit for these vids which are well put together and the OP might be one of his marketing agents spreading these vids around the net. he really doesn't look that great. you can tell there is immaturity on his frame. not a man's body at all.. just a teen juiced up you can tell 100%. he would not stand a chance at a NPC regional even in the novice heavyweight division even. if he comes off the roids he would shrink up faster than a balloon. he 99% never lifted naturally and has zero base, went from a typical middle school skinny kid to juicing 2 grams a week. probably deca or tren cause of his gyno on some of his pics. I put 15 years into lifting before i touched juice, he put 0 time. so no i'm not impressed at all, only with the vids he put together and his marketing strategy which is good for an amateur
 
Iron Warrior707 said:
Why not? His goal is to be an IFBB pro bodybuilder, its his job, he make money from his body.. Look at how successful jay cutler, ronnie coleman and other pro bodybuilders are, they're rich as fuk and did what they love to do to make a living, and strted out just like him..

Ofcourse they have nothing else to do other than workout and take roids like jay cutler, his life is boring from the videos i've seen, but thats what he chose to do in life and his making mad money from his sponsors and competing..
I still give the kid credit for what he's done..
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Are you serious? That is one way ticket to planet loser. First off, he ain't Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler and never will be. And you think those guys are RICH? Coleman works as a cop. How many billionaires do you know who have second jobs?

Jay Cutler made $200,00 for winning the Olympia. Not bad. Of course his drug bill was about $150,000. And he does make endorsement money. That'll last a few more years. All in all, he does about as well as an insurance salesman. And he's the best in the world!

Get yourself educated kid. Before it's too late.
 
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Nelson Montana said:
Are you serious? That is one way ticket to planet loser. First off, he ain't Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler and never will be. And you think those guys are RICH? Coleman works as a cop. How many billionaires do you know who have second jobs?

Jay Cutler made $200,00 for winning the Olympia. Not bad. Of course his drug bill was about $150,000. And he does make endorsement money. That'll last a few more years. All in all, he does about as well as an insurance salesman. And he's the best in the world!

Get yourself educated kid. Before it's too late.
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Agree. But alot of the top bodybuilders are what most people would say, "RICH." But its not always from bodybuilding.

Arnold was a millionaire by the time he was in his early 20's. I think from real estate.

Jay Cutler has money. Real estate and who knows what else. Endorsements, magazine deals, prize money, guest appearances. The top guys make alot of money. But its usually only the top few guys.

Branch Warren owns his own logistics business.

Ronnie Coleman works as a cop because he likes it. In his earlier years, he NEEDED to work that job. But he doenst now.

Phil Heath didnt compete in the 2009 Arnold because......he didnt need the money.
He has a Bentley. Id say the kid is rich my most peoples standards.

and a billionaire is one thing. lol there is only about 1200 billionaires in the world so dont expect to be on that list.

But I think its very possible for someone who is intelligent, knows how to market themselves, and uses the money they earn from bodybuilding to start related and non-related businesses to become a millionaire
 
deca in middle school what a choice I'd say poor parenting but he's an orphan
 
wcjcMr.O said:
Agree. But alot of the top bodybuilders are what most people would say, "RICH." But its not always from bodybuilding.

Arnold was a millionaire by the time he was in his early 20's. I think from real estate.

Jay Cutler has money. Real estate and who knows what else. Endorsements, magazine deals, prize money, guest appearances. The top guys make alot of money. But its usually only the top few guys.

Branch Warren owns his own logistics business.

Ronnie Coleman works as a cop because he likes it. In his earlier years, he NEEDED to work that job. But he doenst now.

Phil Heath didnt compete in the 2009 Arnold because......he didnt need the money.
He has a Bentley. Id say the kid is rich my most peoples standards.

and a billionaire is one thing. lol there is only about 1200 billionaires in the world so dont expect to be on that list.

But I think its very possible for someone who is intelligent, knows how to market themselves, and uses the money they earn from bodybuilding to start related and non-related businesses to become a millionaire
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Yeah, as long as they have one in a million genetics. Good luck to anyone going with that as "Plan A."
 
Nelson Montana said:
Yeah, as long as they have one in a million genetics. Good luck to anyone going with that as "Plan A."
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Totally agree.

Anyone who puts all there eggs in one basket isnt very intelligent IMO.

I would love to become a pro and earn a living doing what I love. But im smart enough to know I should continue my education so I have an actual career if my dreams dont come true.

Radiography, in case you were wondering what im going to school for. haha
 
Zinergy said:
Yes, Gear.... If you're on gear and you don't get those kind of results in a few years time I'd say your doing something wrong.

I also think it may have to do with age, and amount of natural testosterone production.
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Gear or no gear its hard work that got him there!
 
He looks good for an 18 year old but he's obviously juiced to fuck from literally day 1. I've get no respect for these 'get big quick' merchants who don't train naturally a single day in their lives.
Plus he looks good FOR 18 but I wouldn't say he has a great physique, if you guys know what I mean?
Regardless what I think he can juice as much as he wants, I couldn't care less. More power to him. His life
 
Most people don't realize that Arnold, Jay, ronnie, Kai, ALL the top pros would be top amateurs and would be top of the natural class. No matter what fed or division or style they compete in they will be on top, there is no changing the fact that some people are born better than others in terms of, looks, body type, IQ. The world is not fair or equal. You take what you have and run with it. I Love powerlifting, I would like to try bodybuilding. I love the iron, I love the smell of rust on old plates, I love the feel of chalk on my hands. I roar of heavy metal and grunts of a 200 pound man ripping 600 pounds off the floor in less tha .5 seconds. If I died in the gym of a heart attack tomorrow I would die a happy man. That being said I will NEVER quit my day job to persue dreams a pro bodybuilder or powerlifter. I will work AROUND my job to make my dreams come true, but to quit and follow a pipe-dream. Silly. All the stories you hear of people quitting their jobs or schoo to persue dreams, think Bill gates, Mark Zukerberg are ONE IN A MILLION don't buy the hype. Don't think ever think the world owes you anything because it doesn't. You control your own fate and you set your own limitations, unfortunately sometimes those limitations are genetics and all the training and gear in the world won't make your hips any more narrow, your shoulders any wider, or your dick any bigger. Quit crying and get back in to gym.
 
the small soldier said:
Most people don't realize that Arnold, Jay, ronnie, Kai, ALL the top pros would be top amateurs and would be top of the natural class. No matter what fed or division or style they compete in they will be on top, there is no changing the fact that some people are born better than others in terms of, looks, body type, IQ. The world is not fair or equal. You take what you have and run with it. I Love powerlifting, I would like to try bodybuilding. I love the iron, I love the smell of rust on old plates, I love the feel of chalk on my hands. I roar of heavy metal and grunts of a 200 pound man ripping 600 pounds off the floor in less tha .5 seconds. If I died in the gym of a heart attack tomorrow I would die a happy man. That being said I will NEVER quit my day job to persue dreams a pro bodybuilder or powerlifter. I will work AROUND my job to make my dreams come true, but to quit and follow a pipe-dream. Silly. All the stories you hear of people quitting their jobs or schoo to persue dreams, think Bill gates, Mark Zukerberg are ONE IN A MILLION don't buy the hype. Don't think ever think the world owes you anything because it doesn't. You control your own fate and you set your own limitations, unfortunately sometimes those limitations are genetics and all the training and gear in the world won't make your hips any more narrow, your shoulders any wider, or your dick any bigger. Quit crying and get back in to gym.
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Who's crying?
Not really sure what your point is?
The kids got good genetics, he's juiced from day 1, he looks good.
So what?
 
All i got to say is to each his own. Its his life and his own choices and it may not be the best choice but its his. Me and alot of others dont agree with it but we have our own life to worry about right. Just have to be thankful for what we ourselves have and make the best of it.

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21"GunSalute said:
All i got to say is to each his own. Its his life and his own choices and it may not be the best choice but its his. Me and alot of others dont agree with it but we have our own life to worry about right. Just have to be thankful for what we ourselves have and make the best of it.

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Exactly
 
Anabolic chest said:
Who's crying?
Not really sure what your point is?
The kids got good genetics, he's juiced from day 1, he looks good.
So what?
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Good genetics? NO. He was 100 pounds when he started lifting and probably juiced from day one, as you said.

You honestly think this kid has GOOD genetics? I think he has fuckin POO POO DNA and started juicing hard. Big deal. I could take a kid his size who has never lifted a day in his life, pump him full of all sorts of shit and have him looking like that in 2 years time as well, GUARANTEED.

And im not hatin on the kid. He has put on a substantial amount of size in that time. BUT how can you look at his before pics, knowing he started hitting the sauce hard and say he has good genetics? And I dont think he looks good at all. Def not a mature physique.

I could point out 10 guys on here right now that look better than this kid. POO..... POO..... D..N..A....
 
wcjcMr.O said:
Good genetics? NO. He was 100 pounds when he started lifting and probably juiced from day one, as you said.

You honestly think this kid has GOOD genetics? I think he has fuckin POO POO DNA and started juicing hard. Big deal. I could take a kid his size who has never lifted a day in his life, pump him full of all sorts of shit and have him looking like that in 2 years time as well, GUARANTEED.

And im not hatin on the kid. He has put on a substantial amount of size in that time. BUT how can you look at his before pics, knowing he started hitting the sauce hard and say he has good genetics? And I dont think he looks good at all. Def not a mature physique.

I could point out 10 guys on here right now that look better than this kid. POO..... POO..... D..N..A....
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He seems to respond very well to gear. That's a genetic trait.

Besides, seem we agree that he's nothing special. I said he looked good for an 18 yr old, I never said he had a great physique.
 
lol good points. if he had great genetics he wouldn't look like a normal skinny kid at 15. hell 80% of us looked like that. 15% of us were fat porkers. and 5% maybe were the jocks who got picked first at P/E who had good genetics, those kids usually turn out to be the guys who sell insurance or some other shitty job.
 
Anabolic chest said:
He seems to respond very well to gear. That's a genetic trait.

Besides, seem we agree that he's nothing special. I said he looked good for an 18 yr old, I never said he had a great physique.
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Ya response to gear is a big one for sure. But who knows how much this guys on. Bet its more than just a little.

I just think its really hard to tell someones genetics if they haven't lifted natty for at least a year to see how they respond to training without chemical enhancements.
 
seems like youtube vids I see of guys talking about how they took steroids and regret it are all guys who juiced at a young age. and it confirms what i have been saying all along.. they never loved bodybuilding in the first place cause they never trained natty.

check this guy out for example.. he started juicing at 18.. he had me laughing throughout the video because he really never loved the lifestyle to begin with, he just was a guy who got on steroids to take a short cut

The Truth About Steroids ~ My Experience - YouTube
 
stevesmi said:
seems like youtube vids I see of guys talking about how they took steroids and regret it are all guys who juiced at a young age. and it confirms what i have been saying all along.. they never loved bodybuilding in the first place cause they never trained natty.

check this guy out for example.. he started juicing at 18.. he had me laughing throughout the video because he really never loved the lifestyle to begin with, he just was a guy who got on steroids to take a short cut

The Truth About Steroids ~ My Experience - YouTube
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Of course all those idiots stories will only serve to demonize roids further, not the dumbfuck user. On all those stories switch out roids for, say vicodin, and all of a sudden its the person who is stupid and misusing a legit compound, and not the compound itself thats evil.
 
That guy is an idiot. Ya if you take them for the wrong reasons you may end up finding yourself doing a lot more drugs I guess maybe but still probably not haha this guy sucks. Had he taken them out of the love of lifting that wouldn't have been the outcome. I'm a senior in college and since I started using gear I've completely cut all drugs out of my life. I was a huge party animal and big into drugs i don't even drink anymore If your serious about your health and have a goal of what you want your body to look like all that other crap just sets you back. I live a completely clean life with the exception of low cycles of gear here and there and my body and my mind are in a whole different world then they would have been had I not started using gear it made me more focused on the goals I have in life and in the gym the gym is the reason I've pushed myself so hard outside of it.
 
stevesmi said:
seems like youtube vids I see of guys talking about how they took steroids and regret it are all guys who juiced at a young age. and it confirms what i have been saying all along.. they never loved bodybuilding in the first place cause they never trained natty.

check this guy out for example.. he started juicing at 18.. he had me laughing throughout the video because he really never loved the lifestyle to begin with, he just was a guy who got on steroids to take a short cut

The Truth About Steroids ~ My Experience - YouTube
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I started when I was 19. I had been lifting for 5 years previous to that fairly intensely.

Can't say I regret a thing.
 
I know a kid who trains at my gym 17 he's on gear how do I know.. 15 pounds of LEAN mass in 4ish weeks all dry, kid went from benching 225 to nearly 300 seemingly overnight. His dad is an ex top level BB and lives vicariously through his son, probably gave him the gear
 
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