this is my shoulder routine tell me if ok

[Boneface]

dumbell press 3x8-12
lateral raises 3x8-12
upright rows 3x6-8
milatery press 3x12-15
shrugs 3x6-8

then next workout ill change to:

lateral raises 4x6-8
bentover raises 4x8-12
milatary press 4x8-12
upright row 3x6-8
shrugs 3-4x8-12

 

[eat big]

if it was me personally, i would do the presses first and second

 

[BlondBomber]

I agree with eatbig, unless you are at the point to in your physical development where you want to tweak your smaller muscles (like you can press 405, 140 lbs. DB, etc.) Also, I think you should include some direct rear delt work. Upright rows can stimulate the rear delts, depending on your hand position, but I would do some reverse machine flyes, bent-over raises, etc.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

dont need uprights and shrugs in the same workout..kind of a lot of volume..ive done high volume but its not my main routine anymore..always do presses first unless like blonde said your delts are just so big..lol but even Ruhl still starts with MP's..presses are where you get your most mass from..the side and rear heads do not need 5+ sets to develop them unless your on massive AAS

 

[musclebosun]

I've been doing a superset workout for my shoulders for about a month now and the results have been awesome. I do single arm bent over cable flys to hit the rear delts first since they're the weakest delt. Then i do a dumbell militery press superseted with side lateral raises for my middle delt and finally, heavy upright rows superseted with front lateral raises. If I have energy i finish off with one big drop set of shrugs just for kicks. The wholw workout gives you a crazy intense burn and the results are worth the pain!

 

[Aeoleon]

My dad is a doctor and he recommends not doing the military press, or other exercises where you're in a standing or sitting poisition and lifting weights above your head. It puts lots of stress and strain on, and deteriorates shoulder itself as well as the cartilage housed there, often leading to arthritis in early years. If you want to work the shoulder muscles themselves, (posterior, lateral and anterior deltoids) I suggest isolation and other types of compound exercises in which you do not raise weights above your head. Bent over raises, or a similar exercise emphasizing the posterior deltoid, lateral raises, and anterior raises (90˚ bend in elbow, bring arm up as if you're pouring out a beer, still at a 90˚ angle), as well as the many varitations of front raises.

 

[cwick0]

My dad is a doctor and he recommends not doing the military press, or other exercises where you're in a standing or sitting poisition and lifting weights above your head. It puts lots of stress and strain on, and deteriorates shoulder itself as well as the cartilage housed there, often leading to arthritis in early years. If you want to work the shoulder muscles themselves, (posterior, lateral and anterior deltoids) I suggest isolation and other types of compound exercises in which you do not raise weights above your head. Bent over raises, or a similar exercise emphasizing the posterior deltoid, lateral raises, and anterior raises (90˚ bend in elbow, bring arm up as if you're pouring out a beer, still at a 90˚ angle), as well as the many varitations of front raises.

blah blah blah. Doctors and older folks keep telling me my heavy military pressing days are going to catch up with me. However, is it the fact that most people dont train shoulders correctly that is the problem here or is it our genetic/structural makeup? I tend to think a number of these injuries stem from individuals going past 90 degrees and locking out the weight too for a quick rest. Hence I never and will never go past 90 degrees and any pressing movement and never lock out either.

 

[Illuminati]

My dad is a doctor and he recommends not doing the military press, or other exercises where you're in a standing or sitting poisition and lifting weights above your head. It puts lots of stress and strain on, and deteriorates shoulder itself as well as the cartilage housed there, often leading to arthritis in early years. If you want to work the shoulder muscles themselves, (posterior, lateral and anterior deltoids) I suggest isolation and other types of compound exercises in which you do not raise weights above your head. Bent over raises, or a similar exercise emphasizing the posterior deltoid, lateral raises, and anterior raises (90˚ bend in elbow, bring arm up as if you're pouring out a beer, still at a 90˚ angle), as well as the many varitations of front raises.

my dad was a doctor (general practitioner) for the last 40+ years (he just retired at the beginning of the year), and he does military presses every other morning. he's 77 years old, and has an 80 bar that he presses 20 or so times, along with running 3.5 miles every day. he has never had any problems with his shoulders, and is probably in better shape than most 50 year olds. i think your dad saying that it causes arthritis in early years a little off.

 

[Aeoleon]

my dad was a doctor (general practitioner) for the last 40+ years (he just retired at the beginning of the year), and he does military presses every other morning. he's 77 years old, and has an 80 bar that he presses 20 or so times, along with running 3.5 miles every day. he has never had any problems with his shoulders, and is probably in better shape than most 50 year olds. i think your dad saying that it causes arthritis in early years a little off.

I dunno man.
My dad _is_ a physician, an MD. Not a 'General Practitioner'. He knows plenty of DO's (Doctor of osteopathy or some shit, dealing with bones) who agree with him.

This is simply my advice, which I have heard from my father, an incredibly intelligent person. He wouldn't tell me not to do military presses if he didn't think it was smart.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

I dunno man.
My dad _is_ a physician, an MD. Not a 'General Practitioner'. He knows plenty of DO's (Doctor of osteopathy or some shit, dealing with bones) who agree with him.

This is simply my advice, which I have heard from my father, an incredibly intelligent person. He wouldn't tell me not to do military presses if he didn't think it was smart.

can he or you cite any specific research that shows his justification for not doing MP's..i think some people are predisposed genetically with bad rotators and thus suffer when trying to do mps'

 

[Illuminati]

I dunno man.
My dad _is_ a physician, an MD. Not a 'General Practitioner'. He knows plenty of DO's (Doctor of osteopathy or some shit, dealing with bones) who agree with him.

This is simply my advice, which I have heard from my father, an incredibly intelligent person. He wouldn't tell me not to do military presses if he didn't think it was smart.

im not gonna get in a pissing match about this, but my dad is a MD, with a PhD in Medicine. and just so that you know, MD simply stands for Medical Doctor.
and please, like wnt2bbeast said, can you site something? my dad laughed when i told him what you said. he actually said what wnt2bbeast said...some people are predisposed to arthritis.

 

[eat big]

i agree with them, if theres no evidence of it, then oh well, plus you would think tehre would be reports of shoulder problems in people who lift weights, also i see certified trainers telling their clients to do them all the time

 

[wnt2bBeast]

im not gonna get in a pissing match about this, but my dad is a MD, with a PhD in Medicine. and just so that you know, MD simply stands for Medical Doctor.
and please, like wnt2bbeast said, can you site something? my dad laughed when i told him what you said. he actually said what wnt2bbeast said...some people are predisposed to arthritis.

i think he means well..its like when people get old some are spunky and can move around yet others are ver immobile and arthritic..when i get to old to squat i wanna be shot 2 behind the ear please lol

 

[Illuminati]

i think he means well..its like when people get old some are spunky and can move around yet others are ver immobile and arthritic..when i get to old to squat i wanna be shot 2 behind the ear please lol

LMFAO