This is Going To Piss Some People Off

[Nelson Montana]

I'm pretty sure (although not positive) that Guardian nor Digger were slin users, and thought it was kinda shitty that you had to drag their names into it to prove your own point.


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I TAKE OFFENSE TO THIS . I AM NOT USING THEIR NAMES TO PROVE A POINT. THE REALITY IS THAT THEY DID NOT DIE OF NATURAL CAUSES. THEY DIED IN THE ATTEMPT OF HAVING MORE MUSCLE. THAT'S THE SAD DARK FACT AND I THINK THAT IF THERE'S ANYTHING TO BE BE GAINED FROM SUCH A TRAGEDY IT'S THE POSSIBILITY THAT OTHERS WILL TAKE IT AS A WARNING. THAT'S TOTALLY VALID. SO YOU'RE WAY OFF BASE ON THIS ONE BRO.



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Other than that I do not fully disagree with what you have to say. Except that this is a discussion board, people will chose to use it and if they do it's a good thing that they can get advice. It's like a needle exchange for junkies. Does it promote the use? Marginally, and the safety of it outweights the negatives in my opinion.
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COULDN'T DISAGREE MORE. AS A COMMUNITY WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO TREAT WHAT WE DO WITH SOME RESPECT. IF SOMEONE WANTED TO USE HEROIN WITH STEROIDS SHOULD THEY GET ADVICE ON HOW TO DO IT? I'VE SPENT YEARS TRYING TO DISMISS THE STIGMA OF STEROIDS BEING A DRUG IN THE SAME CLASS AS NARCOTICS AND HERE YOU ARE COMPARING IT TO THE NEEDLE EXCHANGE PROGRAM WHICH DEALS WITH LOW LIFE ADDICTS. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DON'T NEED.

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[Tatyana]

In case some of you want to know how to do it naturally, from the British Journal of Sports Medicine (LOL, just realised it is my buddy Anassi)

Full article click on link below
Hyperinsulinaemia, hyperaminoacidaemia and post-exercise muscle anabolism: the search for the optimal recovery drink -- Manninen 40 (11): 900 -- British Journal of Sports Medicine

REVIEW

Hyperinsulinaemia, hyperaminoacidaemia and post-exercise muscle anabolism: the search for the optimal recovery drink

A H Manninen

Accepted 22 August 2006


In case you also didn't get how detrimental it is to promote hyperinsulinaemia besides naturally post workout, here is another article that relates hyperinsulinaemia to insulin resistant, metabolic syndrome X and heart disease.

(LOL, it is attack of the Swedes tonight)


Hyperinsulinaemia as long-term predictor of death and ischaemic heart disease in nondiabetic men: The Malmö Preventive Project


Authors: P. Nilsson1; J-Å. Nilsson1; B. Hedblad1; K-F. Eriksson1; G. Berglund1

Source: Journal of Internal Medicine, Volume 253, Number 2, February 2003 , pp. 136-145(10)

Publisher: Blackwell Publishing



Abstract:

Nilsson P, Nilsson J-Å, Hedblad B, Eriksson K-F, Berglund G. (University Hospital, Malmö, Sweden) Hyperinsulinaemia as long-term predictor of death and ischaemic heart disease in nondiabetic men: The Malmö Preventive Project. J Intern Med 2003; 253: 136–145. Objectives.

Prospective studies have indicated that hyperinsulinaemia/insulin resistance is a risk factor for ischaemic heart disease (IHD), the risk decreasing with time of follow-up. Few studies have so far investigated the role of hyperinsulinaemia in the prediction of long-term total mortality. Setting.

Section of Preventive Medicine, Department of Medicine, University Hospital, Malmö, Sweden. Subjects.

A total of 6074 nondiabetic, middle-aged, healthy Swedish males. Screening examination.

We determined IHD risk factors including blood glucose and plasma insulin before and 2 h after an oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT). Total follow-up time was 19 years. Hyperinsulinaemia was defined as values above the 10th decentile of fasting or 2 h insulin concentration. Main outcome measures.

Total mortality and cardiac event (CE) rate for IHD. Results.

Unadjusted relative risks (RRs) for both death and CE were J-shaped with the highest relative risk (RR: 1.4–1.6) in the hyperinsulinaemic group compared with all other men. The RRs for death and CE were significant for fasting insulin but became nonsignificant after adjustment for other risk factors and also with a longer follow-up. The risk of death in hyperinsulinaemic men, defined on the basis of 2-h insulin level, increased with time of follow-up and was still significantly increased after 19 years [RR: 1.32 (95% CI: 1.05–1.65], even after adjustment for other risk factors. Conclusions.

Fasting hyperinsulinaemia was a predictor of total mortality and IHD in nondiabetic men, although not more significantly after adjustment for other risk factors and with lengthening of follow-up time. The 2-h postglucose hyperinsulinaemia appeared to be a stronger and independent predictor of mortality over long-term follow-up. These findings support the view that insulin resistance with associated cluster of risk factors predicts increased long-term risk of mortality and IHD.
Keywords: cardiovascular; epidemiology; insulin; mortality; obesity; risk factors

Document Type: Research article

DOI: 10.1046/j.1365-2796.2003.01064.x

Affiliations: 1: Department of Medicine, University Hospital, Malmö, Sweden