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Santa_Claus

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im 23, and I've been training for about 1 year right now.
Im 210lbs @ 11-12% bodyfat(visual estimation)

Im quite satisfied with my gains but I wouldn't mind a little something extra.

I never took steroids but I heard that trenbolone is a good steroid and it's quite cheap compared to others. If I recall correctly, it can be taken alone and it doesn't require the use of clomid or nolvadex.

There are a few things I am concerned about...
#1 Acne
#2 Hairloss

Will tranbolone cause any of these two? Thanks
 
You are way off son, you need to look around some more because just about everything you said is the opposite of the truth.
 
It's way too soon to even think about taking steroids my friend.

You can lift for another year and still make amazing gains! The first 2 years of lifting are great for that reason.

In the meantime, I suggest you take a step back, grab some food, and start researching! This site has pretty much all the info you need. Read this forum whenever you can. Learn about all of the commonly used steroids and ancillaries.

Good luck, and I hope you don't rush into the juice.
 
Um.....How about learning proper diet. I bet you can juice ur balls off with an uneducated diet and I can go clean but eat right and rape ur ass in size and every aspect. Maybe not strength tho. Take some time and reasearch. Ur not ready.
 
23, training 1 year

train for another 7 years, wait until you're 30, you don't even have a solid base which to build on
 
Hey man, welcome to the board! lol!

I was just as ignorant as your ass was just a few months ago, and got just as many cocksure responses from this board. i think i even asked about the same compound as u. and now i consider myself one of the guys...

anyway, i bet you found the board through bb.com, and specifically that you read the tren profile from big cat. yeah, big cat obviously never did tren (he doesn't look like he touched a dumbell let alone a steroid in his life--tho he can drop some knowledge when it comes to transdermal fat-loss products, but that's another story). anyway, tren is highly suppressive, it most definitely will cause acne, hair loss (to those susceptible--i'm assuming u r if ur worreid about those things) and your nuts to shrivel up into your asshole. (well, almost.) yes, u will fucking need hardcore pct--in the form of hcg, which to administer is a far more complex art than nolva or clomid. probably something to keep prolactin down as well.

the good part is that there are steroids out there that are pretty easy to administer and don't take too many ancillaries to use properly...this board and the archives are your friend...and u can pm me as long as ur not too annoying and needy...

are you ready for the deep dark world of steroids? who knows, but i'm not going to knee-jerk tell u to STFU like people on this board have a tendency to do. (there's definitely an in-crowd thing going on...)

post stats, diet, training regimen, goals, etc...
 
Santa, have you been though the gamut of creatine, zma, tribulus, hmb yet? Do as much as you reasonably can completely natural before turning to the dark side. At the very least, get a good three years under your belt.

Before you do move to the sauce, take a good read through the pct forum. There's little enough that you can read the whole forum. After that, I suggest you go Plat for the excellent search feature and then you can look up pretty much whatever you need to know.

Lastly, don't put crap into yourself on any one person's advice. Do all your research and if you still need to ask about something then you're probably not ready.
 
pda321 said:
Hey man, welcome to the board! lol!

I was just as ignorant as your ass was just a few months ago, and got just as many cocksure responses from this board. i think i even asked about the same compound as u. and now i consider myself one of the guys...

anyway, i bet you found the board through bb.com, and specifically that you read the tren profile from big cat. yeah, big cat obviously never did tren (he doesn't look like he touched a dumbell let alone a steroid in his life--tho he can drop some knowledge when it comes to transdermal fat-loss products, but that's another story). anyway, tren is highly suppressive, it most definitely will cause acne, hair loss (to those susceptible--i'm assuming u r if ur worreid about those things) and your nuts to shrivel up into your asshole. (well, almost.) yes, u will fucking need hardcore pct--in the form of hcg, which to administer is a far more complex art than nolva or clomid. probably something to keep prolactin down as well.

the good part is that there are steroids out there that are pretty easy to administer and don't take too many ancillaries to use properly...this board and the archives are your friend...and u can pm me as long as ur not too annoying and needy...

are you ready for the deep dark world of steroids? who knows, but i'm not going to knee-jerk tell u to STFU like people on this board have a tendency to do. (there's definitely an in-crowd thing going on...)

post stats, diet, training regimen, goals, etc...
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Yah, I used big cat as a reference... argh

-6'2, 210lbs.
-I eat anything as long as I get my calories and proteins. Honest to god, I've never paid any attention to my diet (save for these two points) and im bigger, more defined than 99% of the natural guys I've seen in gyms)

-Day one:
Squats 4x8
Bent-over-rows 4x8
Benchpress 4x8
Pull-ups 4x8
Dips 4xMax
Abs 3xMax

-Day two
Front Squats 4x8
Deadlift 3x5
Incline bench 4x8
Pull-ups 4x8
Standing Military press 4x8
Abs 4x8

-Day 3
Squats 3x3
Benchpress 3x3
Bent over row 3x3
Incline dumbell press 4x8
Preacher curls 4x10


Goals: Lose a little bit of fat while keeping the muscle mass intact


Im really in no hurry to start steroids, if I can train 1 more year and still make good gains...why not eh!

It's just that I wouldn't have minded having an extra cut and muscular body for the summer. But seriously I'd rather wait than have bitch tits :worried:
 
This has to be a joke. That is the worst split I have ever seen in my life.
Working the same body parts three days in a row. You can't grow!
 
slat1 said:
This has to be a joke. That is the worst split I have ever seen in my life.
Working the same body parts three days in a row. You can't grow!
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I guess I must be high on something then because my body looks really great.

It works very well for me
 
i think you should hang oround the board for a while and try to learn as much as you can. you reaaly need to pt together a much better workout than that. you will make better gains if you do that.
 
asianlover said:
i think you should hang oround the board for a while and try to learn as much as you can. you reaaly need to pt together a much better workout than that. you will make better gains if you do that.
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FACT: anyone can grow muscles with enough roids and a shitty workout.

If my routine sucks so much, why have I gained so much LBM? Why am I @210lbs and have abs sticking out? Why am I bigger and more defined than most guys?

Honestly, I often see pics of the self-professed gurus here that do roids and if I did roids im 100% certain they would look like shit compared to me.

Im open to other's opinion but I know that this workout works perfectly well for me. I've tried 5x5 and tons of other "great" workout ideas and none of them worked as well as this one. I keep making mass and strength gains and im not about to change.
 
Santa_Claus said:
FACT: anyone can grow muscles with enough roids and a shitty workout.

If my routine sucks so much, why have I gained so much LBM? Why am I @210lbs and have abs sticking out? Why am I bigger and more defined than most guys?

Honestly, I often see pics of the self-professed gurus here that do roids and if I did roids im 100% certain they would look like shit compared to me.

Im open to other's opinion but I know that this workout works perfectly well for me. I've tried 5x5 and tons of other "great" workout ideas and none of them worked as well as this one. I keep making mass and strength gains and im not about to change.
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:rolleyes: I love "facts".
 
The routine is fine. Maybe a shade over-cooked but sound enough. Throwing gear into the mix will only make it even more tolerable. Bear in mind that he's almost certainly not training to failure.
 
Santa it sounds like you know exactly what you are doing. It is clear that you dont need advice from any of these fools. You are obviously bigger, leaner, most likely have a bigger penis, and make more money than most here.
 
axe3 said:
Santa it sounds like you know exactly what you are doing. It is clear that you dont need advice from any of these fools. You are obviously bigger, leaner, most likely have a bigger penis, and make more money than most here.
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hmm do i detect a hint of sarcasm? na your probable right.
 
axe3 said:
Santa it sounds like you know exactly what you are doing. It is clear that you dont need advice from any of these fools. You are obviously bigger, leaner, most likely have a bigger penis, and make more money than most here.
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There had better be some sarcasm in there. lol :p
 
Santa_Claus said:
FACT: anyone can grow muscles with enough roids and a shitty workout.

If my routine sucks so much, why have I gained so much LBM? Why am I @210lbs and have abs sticking out? Why am I bigger and more defined than most guys?

Honestly, I often see pics of the self-professed gurus here that do roids and if I did roids im 100% certain they would look like shit compared to me.

Im open to other's opinion but I know that this workout works perfectly well for me. I've tried 5x5 and tons of other "great" workout ideas and none of them worked as well as this one. I keep making mass and strength gains and im not about to change.
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its called genetics you dumb fuck. and no not everyone can gain muscle with enough gear and a shitty diet. just talk to some of the hard gainers around here. just wait and see when you have been lifting longer. it comes on really easy in the begining. its not always going to be that way. the only reason why people suggested a different workout is because they are trying to help you asshat. when you are in your first year of training you don't need the best routine to grow. the guys here have been doing this a lot longer than you. you try to help someone and they turn mr. fuckin know it all. you have been working out 1 year. you have a lot to learn brother. lose the fuckin attitude.
 
if you're giving yourself a day off between each of those three days i could see your routine as being feesible. otherwise it seems pretty ridiculous, but whatever works. i mean if arnold showed up at elite and told us his routine people would say he was out of his mind, not ready for steroids, etc. etc. anyway, if you're going to do it no matter what anybody says, a good way to start off is with a small 4-6 week cycle of something like anavar, which isn't that suppressive and will give u some nice lean gains. u might also look into tbol for 4 weeks.

also, a lot of peeps like to start off with a test only cycle at 500mg per week. this most certainly will need full nolva/hcg pct tho.

right now i am in the midst of my first cycle, which is frontloading tbol at 40 mg for the first 3 weeks, 500mg per week of testosterone for 8 weeks, pct starting week 10 with nolva and hcg. i am in week 2 and have already seen ridiculous strength gains. a lot folks here told me not to do it, but i am exceedingly happy i did.
 
Santa_Claus said:
im 23, and I've been training for about 1 year right now.
Im 210lbs @ 11-12% bodyfat(visual estimation)

Im quite satisfied with my gains but I wouldn't mind a little something extra.

I never took steroids but I heard that trenbolone is a good steroid and it's quite cheap compared to others. If I recall correctly, it can be taken alone and it doesn't require the use of clomid or nolvadex.

There are a few things I am concerned about...
#1 Acne
#2 Hairloss

Will tranbolone cause any of these two? Thanks
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dont know who you 'heard' from, but you're way off on almost all counts.
tren is expensive compared to most gear. tren will shut you down harder than just about anything out there, making pct (nolva/hcg/clomid) a MUST. if you are prone to acne and MPB, then you should stay away from tren
i would love to use it, but i know my skin would pay a high price so i stick to deca
 
Santa_Claus said:
FACT: anyone can grow muscles with enough roids and a shitty workout.

If my routine sucks so much, why have I gained so much LBM? Why am I @210lbs and have abs sticking out? Why am I bigger and more defined than most guys?

Honestly, I often see pics of the self-professed gurus here that do roids and if I did roids im 100% certain they would look like shit compared to me.

Im open to other's opinion but I know that this workout works perfectly well for me. I've tried 5x5 and tons of other "great" workout ideas and none of them worked as well as this one. I keep making mass and strength gains and im not about to change.
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If you look that good naturally, you don't need steroids. Besides, you're already claiming your big & defined with abs sticking out.
 
hvywghtchamp said:
If you look that good naturally, you don't need steroids. Besides, you're already claiming your big & defined with abs sticking out.
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Absolutely, and you know what? I've become a magnet at my gym for old fat guys and losers that think they can tell me how to train.

It's funny to see scrawny losers tell me that my shit stinks when they can't even bench two plates and look like dog shit.

I guess i've become weary of those trying to tell me how or how not to exercise.

FACT: I don't know shit about roids....true, My routine might not be perfect...true(but it works really well for me). What pisses me off, are people who don't know fucking shit about me write on this board that my routine sucks ass.

Are they god?
 
Dude, you need to look at your workout. I know you say it works, but think of what you could do with a fucking sick workout plan. Mine is a 4 day cycle. I have three days to let my muscle groups for those days rest, recover, and most importantly GET FUCKING HUGE!

Your multi-day benching doesn't give your chest a chance to recover (especially if you are doing the exact same workout, day in and day out), that's what these brosephs are trying to tell you. I am not going to kiss your ass or theirs, but bringing attitude in here to guys who only want to help you is counter-productive.
 
Wow, Gee Santa you don't sound anything like other newbies that come on here.... We've never seen a new guy who thinks he knows everything, it's very rare in this arena.... Ok, That's enough sarcasm, now for some truth: Your training routine is maybe the WORST I have ever seen, the entire reason you have any type of muscle is from Genetics...

Damn that was pretty harsh wasn't it? Listen, there is TONS of scientific evidence that muscles need to rest in order to grow.... This means you should train each body part ONCE per week, and give them time to recover the rest of the week.... This type of training would consist of doing Mon-Chest/Triceps, Tues-Back/Biceps, Wed-off, Thurs-Legs, Fri-Shoulders.... You will find that you will grow MUCH more with this type of training schedule.... How will you know? You will see your strength go up in every exercise you do when you give your body enough recovery time.... After lifting like this Naturally for an extended period of time (maybe up to 1-2yrs), you then might consider doing steroids.... Is this Law? No, Will you grow if you use steroids earlier? Yes.... However, you are thinking under the same mind set the rest of the United States and other countries seem to think under: Steroids=Big Muscles.... Unfortunately, that isn't true.... If you take steroids, and don't eat/train correctly, you will not grow....

Ok, I could go on schooling you all night like this, and you probablly think I"m a grade A asshole right now..... However, I was cocky just like you man.... It's good to be cocky/confident, but you also need to open your ears when it comes to a topic you know NOTHING about.... Guys on this board are some of the best pricks you will ever meet, and will help you till no end... But not if you come on with an attitude like you know it all.....

So, my advice is to do some reading about diet and Training 1st.... Learn about the other Training philosophies out there, that are different then yours, and maybe try a few.... You will see there are different ways of growing.... Learn about diet, what works for you, what doesn't, how to get bigger through Diet, how to get Lean through Diet.... Try some of these diets, learn for yourself, and what works for you.... Once you get some of these things down, you will know what works for you, and what doesnt.... Then you can personally utilize steroids for YOU, and get the MOST out of them.... Steroids can be like a good Military Force, sure they will kick ass in the hands of any leader..... But a leader that has knowledge of how to BEST use his Military Force will best UTILIZE them..... Understand where I'm coming from?

Lastly, don't think we are a bunch of pricks on this board cause we're giving you a hard time.... It's part of the process, and if treat others here with respect, you will see you will get it in return.... Good luck man, and feel free to PM me if you have any questions....

rizz
 
TRAPezoid said:
....that's what these brosephs are trying to tell you. I am not going to kiss your ass or theirs, but bringing attitude in here to guys who only want to help you is counter-productive.
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Hey kettle, you're black!
 
Originally posted by: zips92
Trap let this issue go, and continue to post and read, and you will get a lot of help from good folks that truly want to help because that's why they have joined this forum
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Are you going to going to be a part of the solution or are you going to be part of the problem and continue posting like this in other threads too? I never started shit with you bro...
 
TRAPezoid said:
Are you going to going to be a part of the solution or are you going to be part of the problem and continue posting like this in other threads too? I never started shit with you bro...
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:cool: :spin: :kiss: :arty: :wavey: :friends: :bigkiss: :rolly: :luxlove:
 
jack_schitt said:
#1 Diet has to be fully in check
#2 Lift with a solid routine
#3 Gain as much as you can naturally
#4 If you want to juice, start out with something milder than Tren
#5 You are in good hands here, listen to these guys
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someone pat this man on the back for me!
 
Santa_Claus said:
Absolutely, and you know what? I've become a magnet at my gym for old fat guys and losers that think they can tell me how to train.

It's funny to see scrawny losers tell me that my shit stinks when they can't even bench two plates and look like dog shit.

I guess i've become weary of those trying to tell me how or how not to exercise.

FACT: I don't know shit about roids....true, My routine might not be perfect...true(but it works really well for me). What pisses me off, are people who don't know fucking shit about me write on this board that my routine sucks ass.

Are they god?
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Look most of these guys are use to the standard bodybuilding routines..
I have seen very similar routines but are more for weight lifting and power lifting.. and yes they still work.

If it works keep it going.. Genetics yes Just keep at it..
You may like some of Madcows posts.. for workout plans.

If you decide to Juice. Just learn about diet 1st so you get the most out of it. Make sure you do your research for anti estrogens and PCT
learn the difference in the steroids ..
There are lots of good books that can help..

I am not one that believes U need to be at your genetic limit before using the juice.. but you better know your shit 1st ...

Learn good form on all your lifts.
Learn what all the side effects are and how to combat them.
Legal issues with the juice.

If you know what you want and are willing to take in the info to do it right, than go for it.
If you have all your bases covered and know the risks, go for it.
The “Genetic Limit” thing I don’t know why they make suck a big deal about it.
Are they holding back on vitamins and creatine and extra protein till they reach there genetic limit . I don’t think so.


Strong,
 
First. Santa you need to go with 3g per week of tren. And A-bombs, lots of them...maybe 200mg a day. Get some halotestin and cheque drops too. Forget PCT, you won't need it. And your workout routine, it is like the holy grail of bodybuilding. I don't know how no one never came up with such brilliance before.

Is that what you wanted to hear?

Second, I vote for Asianlover's reply as the best one. It is not easy to put "Dumb Fuck," "Asshat" and "Mr Fuckin know it all" into one post...

Third, I will also chime in on lvtitan's request to see pics of this guy. There has yet to be a newbie who talks big stats who can actually back up his mouth.


Bluesman
 
ya you all make a lot of since .... you either only give advise that says dont do steroids
because you have not lifted long enough knowing the majority of people dont wait anyway, meaning they are probably going to do them anyway!!

Or you give some fucked up advice to take a bunch of shit that would hurt them and they probably don’t know the difference yet.

So why not give them some advise like it would be best to wait because blah blah blah
Stating a reason.

But explaining if they do decide to do them anyway since it is their decision and theirs alone ... what the best way to go about it..would be

so they dont grow tits or fuck up their there bodies I have never understood that.

it seems the best way for these kids to get sound advise it to lie..

That should be a sticky always say you have lifted for at least 10 years before asking a question.


I mean I understand you many think it is helping them or that maybe because U were an ass there will wait ... but i Just dont see it most kids try them with no knowldge of them all all.. At least these kids are asking most of us started out asking stupid questions I you will think back at one time most of us knew nothing...

Just something to think about...
 
Santa_Claus said:
FACT: anyone can grow muscles with enough roids and a shitty workout.

If my routine sucks so much, why have I gained so much LBM? Why am I @210lbs and have abs sticking out? Why am I bigger and more defined than most guys?

Honestly, I often see pics of the self-professed gurus here that do roids and if I did roids im 100% certain they would look like shit compared to me.

Im open to other's opinion but I know that this workout works perfectly well for me. I've tried 5x5 and tons of other "great" workout ideas and none of them worked as well as this one. I keep making mass and strength gains and im not about to change.
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Post some pictures you fucking pussy. Guranteed you look like ass. I love idiots like you that speak through your ass as if you actually know your head from it.
 
Please don't because obviously you not prepared to handle them mentally. We don't need dumb people running around giving them a worse name. Stay natty, thanks!
 
This Santa guy hasn't posted in awhile, he's probablly busy getting ready to host the first Santa Claus Classic.

I would like to see his pics though...
 
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