Things that piss you off about America's immigration issue

[Alpine]

In my area even public school systems are degrading because of illegal immigrants. Teachers are spending more time trying to get kids up to par rather than helping kids be better than average.

 

[Burning_Inside]

A: Most lazy Americans wont do those jobs offered to illegals.

B: People complain about paying higher prices all the time. Who do you think is going to foot the bill for your fair wage, or "fare wage" as you say? The consumer, that's who.

Its a double edge sword my blind friend.

No I'm not blind my passively elitist chum (Really, spending calories to point out a spelling error is soooo internet circa 1998 ), its just that the root cause of the financial issue goes way too deep into a completely different topic that I won't ever pretend to understand cause I'm not a political or financial guru.

I will say though that people have been spoiled to death all over the world and not just here in the U.S to pay less for more, even at the expense of their own infrastructure, just look at how Wal Mart puts companies out of business by forcing them to sign ridiculous contracts with such little profit if they want to stay afloat. If you're not in Wal Mart stores as a brand then you are at a huge disadvantage.

People don't see that or care, they just want shit for free, but the other issue is that greedy business owners are afraid to share wealth with their workers. There's no excuse for the owners of a profitable company like Wal Mart other than being pieces of greedy shit for paying their workers what they do for as much money as they rake in per day. IMO there should indeed be laws making a base wage of how much a company has to pay its workers compared to its annual revenue up to a base cap, or else people would forego being doctors and other important carreers to be Wally World greeters.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

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Wait so you're saying most people in the U.S workforce have 4 year degrees and are expencting nothing less than 30k a year jobs?"

No. I'm saying illegal immigrants and easily exploited people take jobs that pay low wages and that drives the operating costs of certain businesses down and lets more privileged Americans afford things that would be otherwise prohibitively expensive. I'm also saying that current work force required in the US doesn't need thousands of highly educated, specialized workers.

"I guess cause I've lived here my whole life and follow the news and see what's going on with my own 2 eyes."

But you don't see it with your own eyes. By your own admission you don't and cannot talk to the 'immigrants'. Truthfully you don't even know if they are immigrants or not or drug dealers or not.

"Sure they do present a threat, why aren't you recognizing that there are a LOT of poor legal citizens in America out of work who would in fact take jobs given to illegals if they were actually paid a fare wage to go along witht he job that isn't required when youre dealing with an illegal. Come down off the mountain and take a looksee. "

I actually agree with this assessment partially. Some employers will hire people at illegally low wages. I disagree however that Americans are not hired for 'under the table' work as I've worked at places that pay 'under the table' and illegally low wages: construction, piecework, work-a-day-for-pay. Immigrants and US born citizens work side by side. My experience does not conform to your belief that illegals 'steal' jobs from Americans. Americans and illegals in my experience work together at the same jobs. How many illegals have you worked with and illegal jobs have you worked at since you came down from your mountain to looksee? I'm thinking of a number somewhere between zero and zero. You've never even talked to the people you are accusing of felonies and illegal immigration status and you want to accuse me of being out of touch? Why is it that an illegal can afford to work at such a low paying job? That illegal after all is still living in the US and is subject to buying things at the US cost of living. Their cost of living isn't any lower than a US citizen, yet they still make ends meet. Why can the illegal live at that wage and the US citizen not? Perhaps the issue of 'fair wage' is generally bullshit.

I really don't see what would make my area any much different than somewhere else.

It may differ a bit from area to area. Border cities where illegals commute from country to country may be different than your situation. In my state, public assistance is prioritized for immigrants, especially pregnant women with the inability to keep their legs closed, use birth control, or find their way to a family planning clinic which creates an incentive for a certain type of person to move here. Also I think people from a certain culture, for example Mexican, will tend to gravitate toward a community that has a preexisting population with their shared culture. They aren't here to necessarily integrate or assimilate, they are here for a better or easier life. Some of the immigrants I worked with were saving money to move back home and speculating that the US dollar was very strong against their native currency had dreams of returning rich. One illegal I worked with was on the run from law enforcement in Guatemala.

 

[Razorguns]

when the middle class evaporates, and everyone is broke ass poor - blame yourselves. You're the douchebags that elected the politicians that looked the other way since the 80's and let the illegals flood the cities.

When was the last anti-illegal immigraiton march? 50 people out in michigan? Yeah fat lazy americans sure care about this issue.

r

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

when the middle class evaporates, and everyone is broke ass poor - blame yourselves. You're the douchebags that elected the politicians that looked the other way since the 80's and let the illegals flood the cities.

When was the last anti-illegal immigraiton march? 50 people out in michigan? Yeah fat lazy americans sure care about this issue.

r

Illegal aliens have been coming to the US since it's inception. They predate the industrial revolution, let alone the 1980's. The WOPS of the 1920's didn't destroy the economy and neither will the current wave.

Perhaps people don't come to the rallies because in truth it isn't an issue that affects enough people to care. I don't think they are lazy, they are apathetic. They have more pressing issues to care for.

 

[Burning_Inside]

@ Jacob:

"No. I'm saying illegal immigrants and easily exploited people take jobs that pay low wages and that drives the operating costs of certain businesses down and lets more privileged Americans afford things that would be otherwise prohibitively expensive"

If more rich company owners would actually pay their workers wages they could live on, and lower the line between the economic classes, that wouldn't be much of an issue.

But you don't see it with your own eyes

If I've been living in it I think it's safe to say it's my own eyes I'm seeing it with.

Americans and illegals in my experience work together at the same jobs.

If you have an illegal working side by side with an American in an under the table job, then no matter how you're trying to spin it, that is one under the table job that a U.S citizen doesn't have, wether it was "stolen" out from under him, or given, or however you want to label it. So you're saying there's not enough U.S folk that would take under the table jobs that we need these aliens to pick up the slack? I don't believe that there's more Illegals than homeless or borderline homeless people out there in America who would take something like that. I think you're really disillusioned to how many people out there are in need of money from any source, but it's not like an under the table job is readily available, they are after all illegal and not advertised, and you have to know someone to get one.

You've never even talked to the people you are accusing of felonies and illegal immigration status and you want to accuse me of being out of touch?

I don't see how having to talk to someone to get their sob story on why they chose to do the wrong thing makes what they do any more correct, or undermines the facts that A: illegals take up slots an actual citizen could be working, and B: The amount of jobs that are illegally offered to the aliens can't keep up with the actual influx meaning you have poor and sometimes homeless illegals resorting to crime to cope.

Sorry you're not changing my mind on anything.

 

[Razorguns]

Illegal aliens have been coming to the US since it's inception. They predate the industrial revolution, let alone the 1980's. The WOPS of the 1920's didn't destroy the economy and neither will the current wave.

Perhaps people don't come to the rallies because in truth it isn't an issue that affects enough people to care. I don't think they are lazy, they are apathetic. They have more pressing issues to care for.

people don't care until they have to wait 5 hours at the ER, find their cities taken over by low-income housing and 3 familes to each house - and skyrocketing social service costs.

Then they bitch in person. But still too lazy too do shit cuz it's not politically correct. All they do - is move into different neighborhoods. LA is pretty divided. All the white people moved south.

r

 

[cindylou]

A: Most lazy Americans wont do those jobs offered to illegals.

B: People complain about paying higher prices all the time. Who do you think is going to foot the bill for your fair wage, or "fare wage" as you say? The consumer, that's who.

Its a double edge sword my blind friend.

I would gladly pay extra for legal workers to make a fair wage.

 

[xrsist]

we now have a test here that you must take in order to become a citizen

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/test/index.htm

 

[jestro]

I watched a show on the struggle for farmers to find workers. US citizens just wont do that shit.