Thickening of Blood

[uspsashooter]

A couple of doctors of mine had advised me to be careful with thickening of blood as AAS tend to do that; AAS increases red blood count. The big concern here is to not have a stroke with such thick blood where my doctor has recommended that I take one baby aspirin (81 mg/tab) once/day. Anyone else here heard of this?

 

[Ulter]

That's a little overstated. Eq is the AS that is most likely to increase RBC to the point it may clog capillaries. A stroke? That's a bit exaggerated. You're not using doses that would be a problem unless you do something like front load EQ over 1500mg/wk.

 

[uspsashooter]

That's a little overstated. Eq is the AS that is most likely to increase RBC to the point it may clog capillaries. A stroke? That's a bit exaggerated. You're not using doses that would be a problem unless you do something like front load EQ over 1500mg/wk.

I'm only on 100 mg/4 days (Test E) + 200 mg/week (DECA). I know that my doctor is probably trying to scare me and is very conservation that he would make statements like that.

 

[mikefear]

200mg test and 400mg deca isnt going to do anything to you besides give you a limp noodle. go with 400 test and 300 deca.

 

[MR. BMJ]

You will not have any problems with those doses and thickening of the blood unless you have some sort of prior blood ailment. Even then, it is very rare. In fact, unless you are taking very high doses of Eq (like Ulter mentioned) or Anadrol, then it is pretty much a non factor. Even then, it is gonna be really rare.

You will be fine. I'd worry about other risks besides the ones they are trying to scare you with.

BMJ

 

[MR. BMJ]

200mg test and 400mg deca isnt going to do anything to you besides give you a limp noodle. go with 400 test and 300 deca.

I think he is using 400mg/wk of test and 200mg/wk of deca....

BMJ

 

[Ulter]

I'm only on 100 mg/4 days (Test E) + 200 mg/week (DECA). I know that my doctor is probably trying to scare me and is very conservation that he would make statements like that.

There is no connection in any medical literature that HRT causes stroke. Nor is there any clinical evidence of any kind that steroids will increase your RBC so as to cause a stroke. I would like to see where he is getting this information other than off the top of his head. And "I'm a doctor" doesn't cut it.

 

[Mavafanculo]

That's a little overstated. Eq is the AS that is most likely to increase RBC to the point it may clog capillaries. A stroke? That's a bit exaggerated. You're not using doses that would be a problem unless you do something like front load EQ over 1500mg/wk.

also, wouldnt anadrol be worst offender for polycythemia?

 

[H_T_]

i'm doing way more, way longer & i bet i'm older. BP is nothing to fuck around with, but unless you're already at risk or plan on doing incredible amounts of gear over a long period, don't worry. i have hereditary high bp & i still juice. i just keep tabs on my bp and know my body well. plus i take some bp med that's made out of snake venom, which is cool as hell. gotta do something with that shit.

 

[jronimoe15]

That's a little overstated. Eq is the AS that is most likely to increase RBC to the point it may clog capillaries. A stroke? That's a bit exaggerated. You're not using doses that would be a problem unless you do something like front load EQ over 1500mg/wk.

but would there be a problem with taking 1 asprin/day while on EQ???

 

[uspsashooter]

Re: Thickening of Blood - UPDATED

A couple of doctors of mine had advised me to be careful with thickening of blood as AAS tend to do that; AAS increases red blood count. The big concern here is to not have a stroke with such thick blood where my doctor has recommended that I take one baby aspirin (81 mg/tab) once/day. Anyone else here heard of this?

Thanks for everyone on the responses. I got my labs back and it shows that my HGB, RBC, and HCT are little high (slightly); see labs below. My doctor is saying that I am polycythemia (very mild case, in his opinion). Now he wants me to reduce my Test E dosage from 100 mg/4 days to 100 mg/7 days. I know he is trying to scare me as I have seen no evidence that taking the dosages that I am doing for HRT will cause long term health risks. I read up on polycythemia and it sounds pretty nasty (too much blood going to the organs) but there is simple fix, give blood. I'm thinking of going to the Red Cross once/month and give a pint.

The bad part of all this is now my doctor is concerned about my health due to AAS and will scale back on the presription. I have another doctor that I am seeing where I know he won't be as conservative. In fact, I was able to talk him into give me a script for Deca. I will have Mr. conservative doctor treat my diabetes and my other doc treat all other hormonal issues. It's a free country isn't it?


12/19/2006

WBC (4.1-10.9)
9.5

MO%
4.2

LY#
2.6

GR#
6.5

HGB (12.0-18.0)
18.6

MCV (80.0-97.0)
87.3

MCH
29.1

RDW
13.0

MPV
8.3

LY%
27.6

GR%
68.2

MO#
0.4

RBC (4.20-6.30)
6.38

HCT (37.0-51.0)
55.7

MCHC
33.4

PLT (140K-440K)
250.

PSA (0.00-4.00)
0.933

 

[promet1]

but would there be a problem with taking 1 asprin/day while on EQ???

MY Doc had me on one baby asprin ed

 

[jagerbombme]

i was on prop and when i went in my rbc was up a little but of no concern they told me. i was on approx 500mg of prop a week for 8 weeks, and only up an insignificant amount. bp was good

im not gonna worry about that until i ever try EQ. and then i will run low dose and see how i respond.

 

[hanibal]

i'm about to start my first real eq cycle ever, the high RBC factor and thickening of the blood is what left me undecided between eq and primo, i chose eq for cost and endurance(kickboxing). i don't have a dr, i do get physicals from work once a year, so i don't have a dr to ask about taking baby aspirin, haven't been sick in need of dr in years(knock on wood)...i guess i'll start taking soon. i start my prop, eq, proviron, winny cycle in mid feb...can taking 1 baby aspirin/day be harmful in anyway, before during/after cycle...?

 

[Ulter]

8 hundredths of a point and his diagnosis is that you have polycythemia? He's loopy. Just take the aspirin and make him happy.

 

[Mavafanculo]

take cardiac dose of garlic and also policosanol. both thin he blood and have added CV benefits re hdl/ldl.

also, you wont have the worry about aspirin ulcer or nsai inhibition of protein synthesis post workout (less than cox2 inhibitors, but still demonstrated in some studies)

 

[jagerbombme]

take cardiac dose of garlic and also policosanol. both thin he blood and have added CV benefits re hdl/ldl.

also, you wont have the worry about aspirin ulcer or nsai inhibition of protein synthesis post workout (less than cox2 inhibitors, but still demonstrated in some studies)

does that mean aspirin inhibits protien synthesis?

 

[DJ_UFO]

I take 81mg aspirin every single night of my life just for the hell of it. So many benefits have been found in that shit that taking it I guess will not hurt. Most of the benefits are in the long term so let's see what happens....

 

[perp69]

I would take the aspirin away. Can't hurt. Seems like increased hydration would help too.

Perp

 

[Mavafanculo]

does that mean aspirin inhibits protien synthesis?

yes acetaminophen, Ibuprofen, and Aspirin , etc

 

[jagerbombme]

yes acetaminophen, Ibuprofen, and Aspirin , etc

i could somewhat see acetaminophen, how do ibu and aspirin do this?

 

[blacksabbath1987]

i could somewhat see acetaminophen, how do ibu and aspirin do this?

give blood after you are done with your cycle!!! this will thin the blood out.

 

[chestmaster1]

I thought there were more factors then just high red blood cell count that would determine if someone was at risk for a stroke. Doesn't hdl/ldl ratio play a big role? Personally, this one of the thing that scares me the most about AAS, but I think there is a bit of over-exaggeration about it. Does anybody have any studies that show what the blood values of somebody who is at an extremely high risk for a stroke look like or possibly what the values looked like after somebody had a stroke? Macro? Lanky? Ulter? Dr. man? anybody?

 

[blz]

Increased hematocrit leads to increased turbulent flow of the blood due to the increased viscosity. Thrombus formation (blood clots) occurs preferentially in areas of turbulent flow. Do I think your small elevation of RBCs is a major risk factor for thromboembolic stroke? No. Do I think it is a factor when taken together with all your other risk factors (DIABETES is huge)? Could very well be. There's a lot of other things to consider in this situation. Do you have high BP, do you smoke, hows your cholesterol, how old are you, etc... For someone on this board to tell you to ignore your doc without knowing your whole history is rediculous.

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

i am on a maintainance dose of epo 4000iu ew...my hemocrit is through the roof...its around 55%....i take 75mg of asprin ed with food...that is good for me...gotta keep the water intake high

 

[hanibal]

i think a month before i start my 14-16wk EQ cycle, i will begin w/ 1 baby aspirin/day. i know acetametophin fucks w/ muscle growth, but does aspirin....?
- does anyone KNOW the FACTS of the benefits of daily aspirin, and does anyone KNOW the FACTS of the risks of daily aspirin???

 

[Harleymarleybone]

but would there be a problem with taking 1 asprin/day while on EQ???

Shit no. Take the friggin' aspirin. It can't hurt and it could help. If your gettin' up in age, you should take one a day anyway/

 

[hanibal]

i'm only 31 but seems like i always here that 1 aspirin a day is good, i would think especially if u are on an AS like eq that is supposed to thicken blood...

 

[black panther]

cauliflower how is the epo for stamina?