The truth about orals! Read this!

[McBane]

It promotes HMG-CoA reductase inhibition action. If I remember correctly, it's a statin of some kind. I forget which one exactly, though. A search of Pubmed may help you out.

yeah i tried searching with no luck I did see studies in regards to HMG-CoA reductase inhibition action though

 

[celica]

bump

 

[bigsonrising]

ILL DRINK TO THAT!!!!

 

[Mavy]

Hey JA ... good read. A lot of anecdotal info, but still good. I agree with many others ,... if not abused (by this I mean crazy dosages, and long periods of time), you will be fine.

Citrucide ... I would never use 2 orals at a time ... unless you used them at half there dosages to equal the same dosage of 1 of them

An oral with injectible(s) works great.

I think that Anadrol, on the other hand is the worst for your liver. I have never done it, and never will. It is not made in 5mg tabs like dbol, because it has a terrible affinity for receptor sites so it's made into a 50 mg tablet, which inflicts considerable stress to your liver.

If you know that you are going to be putting your liver through a bit of stress ... why not help it out a little. I always use liver protectants with an oral. Cant wait for a few more weeks .... the boys at the anabolic fitness shop are creating a tylers liver detox formula that will make it into Canada!!!! We need something like this instead of buying everything separetely/

Mavy

 

[majutsu]

Great post enjoyed it alot -- I always felt 6-8 wks of dbol at 20-30 (with an inj.) was ok for me, it's good to think maybe it's not really so bad as all the negative press to run orals more than 4wks.

 

[Laser0001]

So what can we conclude from all of this? First off, 17 alpha-alkylated steroids are hepatotoxic in high dosages taken for a long time. On the other hand, short cycles and small dosages appear to be perfectly safe. I suggest that maximum dosages should be 500mg to 900mg per day. They should be cycled for perhaps 8 weeks at a time, and if needed a 3-month break from them should be used. Using the above-mentioned techniques, your liver can be healthy for a long time. Simply put, the hysteria surrounding “hepatoxic” steroids, is based mainly on folk lore.


500mg to 900mg a day?

 

[Nighthawkk]

I think alcohol consumption is worse than orals in the long run for the liver....

 

[bigsonrising]

Ill drink to that too

 

[RADAR]

From personal experience, it is my opinion that the supposed hazards of longterm steroid use, in general, are overstated. I have used gear of all sorts since the 1970's including plenty of 17aa's. My yearly bloodwork results have always been fine, still have all my hair, and never any gyno.
Sure, you have to use some common sense and take ample time off...... it's only the fools who kill themselves with gear (and most of those guys use tons of other "drugs" as well.)

Thank you for that post,I agree yrs ago i ran mostly dbol for 6 months at a time with no problems this was when i was in my 30's back then there was no "internet" no anti e 's,no knowledge about liver protectors,never had a problem,......But!!!!!! The dosage was 5mg EOD 1'st wk,5mg ed 2nd wk. 10mg3rd wk i never went over 10 mgs but back then those german 5mg dbol packed a hard punch!

RADAR

 

[liftsiron]

So what can we conclude from all of this? First off, 17 alpha-alkylated steroids are hepatotoxic in high dosages taken for a long time. On the other hand, short cycles and small dosages appear to be perfectly safe. I suggest that maximum dosages should be 500mg to 900mg per day. They should be cycled for perhaps 8 weeks at a time, and if needed a 3-month break from them should be used. Using the above-mentioned techniques, your liver can be healthy for a long time. Simply put, the hysteria surrounding “hepatoxic” steroids, is based mainly on folk lore.

JA you need to edit your post, I'm sure that you meant 50 to 90mg of orals per day. Otherwise a truly great read, recently I completed a six month cycle of anavar and various injectables at moderate doses, for the last four weeks I added halo at 15 to 20mg per day (contest prep). Four weeks post cycle I had complete blood work done blood lipids were great, liver enzymes only slightly elevated but within normal parameters. So much about the harmfull effects are bullshit based not research based.

Please post this at IT