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The thyroid thread

Tatyana

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I have been diagnosed with hypothryoidism, quite a serendipitous finding really.

For those of you who don't know what this means, it is a chronic condition where my thryoid gland (located in the neck) doesn't make enough T4 and T3.

As these two hormones are those that control the majority of metabolism, the side effects can be quite far ranging.

I have a few interesting ones like losing the outer third of my eyebrows, being very sensitive to noise, and slight loss of hearing.

I have just started on 25 micrograms of thyroxine/day. It takes approximately 2 weeks for thyroxine to have any effect.

After about four weeks I am having bloods done again to see if my T4 levels are in the normal range.

I thought I would document my experience with this as I know I won't remember what it was like at the beginning later on, and I would also like to hear other's experience with thyroxine, either medically or as a bodybuilding drug.

I have contacted one of the natural federations in the UK already, and I have found out that this (and probably insulin) is the only hormone replacement that is allowed and still be considered to be natural.

I just have to provide a doctor's note.


Here is a wee bit of research I did in a medical book:


Hypothalmic-pituitary-thryoid axis

Thyrotrophic releasing hormone (TRH) is secreted in the hypothalamus and travels to the pituitary where it stimulates the thryotroph cells to produce thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH).

TSH is secreted into the circulation where it stimulates increased thyroid gland iodine uptake and thyroxine (the two main components of thryoxine – T4 and tri-iodothryonine – T3) and T4 and T3 synthesis and release

Serum levels of T4 and T3 are increased by TSH, as well the conversion of T4 to T3 (the more active hormone) in the peripheral tissues

T4 and T3 enter cells where they bind with nuclear receptors and promote increased metabolism and cellular activity

Blood levels of T3 and T4 are sensed by receptors in the pituitary and possibly the hypothalamus, if they rise above normal range, TRH and TSH production is suppressed, leading to less T4 and T3 secretion






Here is a HUGE amount of information that EddieMerck posted before:


The Thyroid Gland Part 1: Fat Loss, Muscle Growth, and Diet
by Dharkam


In this series I am going to write about the thyroid gland and the hormones that it produces (or that it no longer produces). Although the term "thyroid"' is often associated with fat loss, the thyroid also helps to gain or lose muscle. It therefore has other functions which will be described after we have established some simple ideas of physiology. I also reserve a large place for explaining why it slows down during a diet and how to restart it in a natural way.

The thyroid, how does it work?


The thyroid gland is situated in the top part of the neck. It produces several hormones which are crucial for the appearance of the bodybuilder. It is not a question here of flaunting our science with complicated terms. I am concentrating on what is important for the bodybuilder in terms of leanness and muscles, but it is important to understand how the thyroid works and its mechanisms of action.

The thyroid gland produces a substance called T4 (thyroxine or tetra-iodothyronine). This T4 is called a pro-hormone, as the scientists haven't succeeded in demonstrating a direct action by it. Of course, a pro-hormone, is nonetheless a hormone.

But its action is indirect, as it will, in part, be transformed into T3 (triiodothyronine) which is responsible for the actions of the thyroid. Not all the T4 is transformed into T3 -- it therefore constitutes a reserve of thyroid hormones in the blood. Its lifetime will thus be longer, the T3 being degraded more rapidly.

A portion of the T3 (20%) comes directly from the thyroid, the rest coming from the transformation of the T4. Tissues like the liver, the kidneys, the heart, the muscles or the central nervous system are the sites of this transformation.

The action of TSH

TSH is a hormone that stimulates the thyroid (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone) to produce T4 and T3. When these two are elevated, they lower the level of TSH. On the other hand, when T3 and T4 are low, the level of TSH increases.

In a blood analysis, a hypothyroid is therefore in theory characterized by a low T3 and T4 and a raised TSH, while a hyperthyroid is characterized by an elevated T3 and a low TSH.

In reality, many hypothyroids have not only a low TSH, but also a low T3. This is called having a "lazy" thyroid as the body does not react to the deficiency of thyroid hormones. Women often have this condition.

It is said that TSH determines the size of the thyroid gland. Those who take medications containing thyroid extracts lower the level of TSH, which means that they will atrophy their thyroid gland, sometimes even for a long time after the stopping of this medication. But why is this gland so important for the bodybuilder?

What are the effects of thyroid hormones?


First of all, they are a determining factor for basal metabolism. The more the T3 is elevated, the more calories the body burns, particularly in the form of heat. Therefore the higher the level of these hormones is elevated, the more your body temperature will be elevated.

In consequence, taking your temperature in the morning is a good indicator of the level of activity (or lack of activity) of your thyroid. Many women find that they are constantly cold, even in warm weather. This is often because they suffer hypothyroidism.

The thyroid hormones are also at once anabolic and catabolic. A weak level of T3 is mainly anabolic and very little catabolic. The higher this level gets, the more the catabolic action will predominate, while the anabolic activity reaches a ceiling quickly.

The thyroid hormones also have indirect actions. For example: only the action of either epinephrine or norepinephrine on the beta receptors in the fat cells has lipolytic (fat loss) properties. So if one blocks these beta receptors, the increased caloric expenditure due to a high T3 level will be derived mostly from muscles (amino acids), and not from fat. On the other hand, thyroid hormones help to reduce fat (and to gain muscle) by increasing the number of beta receptors in the fat and muscle cells.

Moreover, thyroid hormones are indispensible for the production of IGF-1 by the liver. A large part of this permissive effect, other than a stimulation of the secretion of the secretion of GH, is due to the increase of the number of growth hormone receptors in the liver.

Of course, all this works well if the thyroid gland functions normally. Unfortunately, this isn't always the case, especially during a diet poor in calories. We must therefore ask:

What are the effects of a diet on the thyroid gland?

This is not a secret for anyone: the stricter and longer a diet is, the more the body adapts to the deficiency in calories and reduces its energy needs. Metabolism slows down and the body temperature is lowered.

This action is essentially due to a reduction in the level of thyroid hormones in the blood. The lowering of thyroid hormones is produced not only directly by an atrophy of the gland but also by a lessening of the transformation of T4 to T3.

How is this lowering of activity of the thyroid gland produced?

Many hormones have a permissive effect on the action of TSH. The best known of these hormones are insulin and IGF-1. When one eats less, the plasma levels of these two hormones drop. The result is that TSH is unable to stimulate the thyroid gland properly [1].

The level of TSH drops under the action of many hormones. Cortisol, whose level is elevated during a caloric restriction, plays an inhibiting role on the thyroid in lowering the level of TSH.

Other factors are raised during the diet prevent the transformation of T4 (inactive hormone) to the active hormone T3. This is the case with glucagon for example. The T4 is degraded without being transformed into T3 or is transformed into an inactive form of T3 called reverse T3 (rT3). A deficiency in protein increases this phenomenon.


Some metabolites resulting from the degradation of T3 reduce the rate of conversion of T4 to T3.

The level of free T3 lessens when it is tied to a binding protein. While this extends the lifetime of the T3, it also renders it inactive.

A puzzling phenomenon needs to be pointed out. Normally, GH raises the level of free T3. This is one of the reasons why GH increases basal metabolism and reduces fat. One could therefore be entitled to expect an elevation of the level of T3 during a diet since the concentration of GH is raised following a caloric restriction.

In fact, it is the opposite which occurs. The level of free T3 drops in spite of a rise in the level of GH. Therefore, we must differentiate the effects of GH during a diet and when not on a diet:

GH with a normal or elevated caloric ration is essentially anabolic and increases basal metabolism.

GH during a caloric restriction is catabolic (for muscle and for fat) and is unable to oppose the lowering of the rate of T3.

These effects can appear paradoxical. They are explained by the increase or not of the level of IGF-1.

In conclusion:

The macronutrients will have an important role in the stimulation, or the slowing of the thyroid [2].

Carbohydrates are the key macronutrient. They have a direct action on insulin and indirect on IGF-1, while inhibiting the secretion of glucagon.

Therefore, The more you reduce carbohydrates during a diet and the longer your diet lasts, the more you will reduce the secretion of thyroid hormones.

This is the big problem of diets without carbohydrates. They will drastically reduce the basal metabolism, hence the value of periodically resuming a normal (i.e. not low calorie or low carbohydrate) diet to restart the thyroid.

Consequences of the lowering of the activity of the thyroid
Lowering of the secretion of thyroid hormones seems disadvantageous during a diet.

It translates not only to a lowering of the caloric expenditure but also to a reduction of lipolysis due to two phenomena: fewer beta receptors on the adipocytes and more potent factors preventing lipolysis. These factors are adenosine, phosphodiesterases, etc. As you can see, all this is very harmful for your fat reduction.

The solution seems easy: raise the activity of the thyroid.

Unfortunately, the thyroid hormones also have a large impact on the muscles. As we have said, the thyroid hormones can be catabolic for the muscle. Insulin, if it is present in a sufficient quantity, can prevent the catabolism induced by the thyroid hormones. Therefore when one eats normally, the thyroid hormones are essentially anabolic. On the other hand, when the level of insulin is low due to caloric deficiencies, it is impossible to protect the muscle.

Conclusion: during a diet, if the thyroid hormones were maintained at an elevated level, they would have essentially a catabolic action on the muscle. It is also one of the reasons why the level of thyroid hormones is reduced during a diet: preservation of the muscle mass. In consequence, people who take thyroid extracts rapidly lose mass during a diet.

We must also add that the degradation of thyroid hormones is potentialized by cortisol, and this hormone is also increased by the diet [3].

The muscle catabolism due to thyroid hormones is both direct and indirect: the thyroid hormones take amino acids from the muscle while increasing and accelerating the catabolism of amino acids in the liver.

To summarize, it is important to preserve a normal activity of thyroid hormones during a diet, without wanting to increase their level excessively with thyroid extracts.
 
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Thanks Tatyana do you think contest prep alone can be cause to hypothryoidism? I have know a number of girls to have lots of issues after a prep even ones that have competed naturaly dealing with things such as hypothryoidism and issues with adrenal glands?
 
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Thanks Tatyana do you think contest prep alone can be cause to hypothryoidism? I have know a number of girls to have lots of issues after a prep even ones that have competed naturaly dealing with things such as hypothryoidism and issues with adrenal glands?

As much as I love competing and I still have a few things I want to accomplish competing, I don't think that it is all that balanced a lifestyle for me.

I know some manage to maintain a healthy weight, but I find that I do put on a fair amount off season after a BBing comp diet.

It could be considered a semi-starvation diet and this is the normal response.

I also wonder if the dieting, especially the low carb dieting (which is known to suppress your thyroid), had brought this on.

Ironically, if it hadn't been for the low carb/anabolic diet suppressing my thyroid and elevating my TSH that wee bit more, it could have been years before I found out I was hypothyroid.

I am giving myself two years max to achieve what I have intended with bodybuilding, and then I am going to stop competing.

I used to have a far more balanced diet and bodyweight before competing.

There have been a lot of really great things I have learned from competing, but the rebound weight is not one of them.
 
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Wow Tat.

I really hope this all works out for you.

Thanks for sharing that info. Very good stuff.
 
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It is one week in so far on the meds and thus far I think I have been experiencing the placebo effect.

I am finally over my jet lag, but I am off again next week for three weeks just to have jet lag all over again.
 
Re: The thryoid thread

As much as I love competing and I still have a few things I want to accomplish competing, I don't think that it is all that balanced a lifestyle for me.

I know some manage to maintain a healthy weight, but I find that I do put on a fair amount off season after a BBing comp diet.

It could be considered a semi-starvation diet and this is the normal response.

I also wonder if the dieting, especially the low carb dieting (which is known to suppress your thyroid), had brought this on.

Ironically, if it hadn't been for the low carb/anabolic diet suppressing my thyroid and elevating my TSH that wee bit more, it could have been years before I found out I was hypothyroid.

I am giving myself two years max to achieve what I have intended with bodybuilding, and then I am going to stop competing.

I used to have a far more balanced diet and bodyweight before competing.

There have been a lot of really great things I have learned from competing, but the rebound weight is not one of them.

I am almost convinced that the low carbs diet can bring this on. As you said, it is known to suppress the thyroid. I know far too many people with this issue after being on a low-carb diet. Naturally, everyone's body reacts differently, but is not a natural way to live and certainly not a healthy lifestyle.
I do hope you get that resolved!
 
I thought I would update what has been happening on thyroid meds.

I was a bit naughty, and while I was meant to be on 25 mcg/day, after the drugs started to work after two-three weeks, I started taking 50 mcg/day every other day, and I felt SO much better on the days with the higher dose.

I had bloods done approximately 5 weeks after I started to see how I was doing:

TSH = 2.88 mU/L (normal 0.5-3)

fT4 = 14.3 pmol/L (normal 12-24)


I also still had a high cholesterol, I don't have the numbers here, but it was still around 7 mmol/L, and my glucose was around 6.2 mmol/L. These were non-fasting but still a bit high.


I also had a slightly elevated creatinine, which when used in conjuction with the eGFR (estimated glomerular filtration rate), it says that I am in the early stages of renal failure, which I am not.

I did fasted samples this week, about two weeks on, mostly as the GP I am registered with sent me a letter to come in to discuss my results.

This isn't my regular GP, my typical GP knows I am a bodybuilder so my creatinine will be higher, he knows I have had a diet experiment backfire so my cholesterol is super high, he has me sort out my own blood tests as I work in a lab and he would also trust my judgement to experiment with my thyroid meds.


This week:

TSH = 1.88 mU/L

FT4 = 16.1 pmol/L

Total cholesterol = 5.9 mmol/L (JOY - around/under 5 mmol/L is a healthy range)



It is amazing how different I am feeling. I really do think my thryoid gland has been on slow motion for about four or five years.
 
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As much as I love competing and I still have a few things I want to accomplish competing, I don't think that it is all that balanced a lifestyle for me.

I know some manage to maintain a healthy weight, but I find that I do put on a fair amount off season after a BBing comp diet.

It could be considered a semi-starvation diet and this is the normal response.

I also wonder if the dieting, especially the low carb dieting (which is known to suppress your thyroid), had brought this on.

Ironically, if it hadn't been for the low carb/anabolic diet suppressing my thyroid and elevating my TSH that wee bit more, it could have been years before I found out I was hypothyroid.

I am giving myself two years max to achieve what I have intended with bodybuilding, and then I am going to stop competing.

I used to have a far more balanced diet and bodyweight before competing.

There have been a lot of really great things I have learned from competing, but the rebound weight is not one of them.

Why do you think some people gain so much weight after a competition. Because this can be controlled, but I've noticed some people do appear to lose control with food after coming off a competition..
 
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Why do you think some people gain so much weight after a competition. Because this can be controlled, but I've noticed some people do appear to lose control with food after coming off a competition..

I think there are a few variables.

It could be considered to be a natural physiological response as the competition diet is a semi-starvation diet.

This has been documented in the Minnesota starvation study.

I thought I had dealt with coming off the comp diet quite well this year, but obviously the thyroid function issue messed it up a bit.

I did make a conscious choice to just have a few months off while I was on holiday, and it has done me the world of good.
 
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I think there are a few variables.

It could be considered to be a natural physiological response as the competition diet is a semi-starvation diet.

This has been documented in the Minnesota starvation study.

I thought I had dealt with coming off the comp diet quite well this year, but obviously the thyroid function issue messed it up a bit.

I did make a conscious choice to just have a few months off while I was on holiday, and it has done me the world of good.

I have to concur that going into comp diet allows us to go on a semi-starvation diet, however can that be due to just going on too low carbs? I never had been on a low-carb diet. The lowest I go is about 150g, on occasion 125g. and that's when I'm cutting. Conversely, I never gain a large amount of weight off comp. Only about 10 lbs.; but I do want to gain about that much. So, I think is a rebound on going to low. Again, when people go on a too low carb diet, I'm not sure how low they go. I've had only a handful of clients who fall into this category and I see what this particular diet has done to their metabolism and their issues with thyroid.
 
I just printed out all the blood tests I have taken over the last four years.

I have had symptoms of hypothyroidism for some time now, as one of the tests I did on myself was an iron and transferrin saturation as well as ferritin, B12, folate, as I was looking for a reason as to why I felt tired most of the time.

My first season competing so far has been my most successful, and the irony of this is that this was before I was reading and posting on BBing forums.

AFTER I started reading all the different things about dieting, I started to second guess myself about how I was dieting as 'it's just not possible' to get to single digit bodyfat eating carbohydrates.

I count everything, the carbs in all veggies, and I have records, so I know I was eating between 120 (low carb days) to 200 (high carb days) grams of carbs.

While I think that experimenting with low carb dieting and dieting for far too long last year has had an impact on my thyroid function, the low carb dieting did suppress my thyroid enough for the issue to become apparent in a thryoid function test.

I just feel SO DIFFERENT.

I used to be a sleeping machine, a BIG fan of naps, mostly because I had to nap.

I am on call today, so the day before I would typically have at least one (or two) naps.

I did lay down, but I wasn't tired and couldn't sleep.

I am really wondering now how I went so long with that fatigue and brain fog.
 
I just printed out all the blood tests I have taken over the last four years.

I have had symptoms of hypothyroidism for some time now, as one of the tests I did on myself was an iron and transferrin saturation as well as ferritin, B12, folate, as I was looking for a reason as to why I felt tired most of the time.

My first season competing so far has been my most successful, and the irony of this is that this was before I was reading and posting on BBing forums.

AFTER I started reading all the different things about dieting, I started to second guess myself about how I was dieting as 'it's just not possible' to get to single digit bodyfat eating carbohydrates.

I count everything, the carbs in all veggies, and I have records, so I know I was eating between 120 (low carb days) to 200 (high carb days) grams of carbs.

While I think that experimenting with low carb dieting and dieting for far too long last year has had an impact on my thyroid function, the low carb dieting did suppress my thyroid enough for the issue to become apparent in a thryoid function test.

I just feel SO DIFFERENT.

I used to be a sleeping machine, a BIG fan of naps, mostly because I had to nap.

I am on call today, so the day before I would typically have at least one (or two) naps.

I did lay down, but I wasn't tired and couldn't sleep.

I am really wondering now how I went so long with that fatigue and brain fog.

Yes, it is 100% possible to get to single digits bf while eating carbs as you already discovered. I have been down to 9% bf. In my off season I was eating 400g of carbs and I was still losing. Can I do this all the time and still burn calories, hell no; Sometimes is higher and sometimes is lower. But I try my best to keep it high. That said, NOT everyone can get there while eating the same amount of carbs. Some people are carb sensitive and have to keep their carbs low in order to see some progress. However, this can not be done for a long time or it will backfire.

Sometimes is what carbs and what you combine it with that works for different people. Some carbs make be bloated while others makes me feel thin. We are all so vastly different that one diet its all is not possible. With the exception of eating whole foods, grain, etc, and keeping your metabolic rate high.
 
Ok, frustration again.

I had blood work done on June 22 and these are my results:

TSH 0.07 IU/L (0.4-4.5)

FT4 20.2 umol/L (12-24)

I was on 150 ug of levothyroxine and felt great, however, in my research on thyroid issues, it is generally considered that keeping the TSH in the normal range is preferable, this indicates that your thyroid gland isn't suppressed.

I was also getting a few odd sides like breathlessness at this level.

So my GP and I decided to drop my thyroxine to 100 ug/day and add in 20 ug of liothyronine to see if we could normalise my thyroid gland.

For the five weeks I have altered my meds, I have been tired again, memory is a bit dodgy, and my previous success with fat loss (on average 1.6 lbs/week) ground to a halt.

I had bloods done yesterday, I am more or less in the middle of the reference range for everything except my thyroid hormones have plummeted AGAIN!

TSH 0.57 IU/L (0.4-4.5) This is great

FT4 11 pmol/L (12-24) LOW

FT3 3.2 nmol/L (4-8) LOW

My biochem consultants are perplexed, as am I. One of them is going to have a word with the endocrinologist consultants.

I just want to find a nice level to normalise things and take off some of my chub, get the mental acuity back and stop having to take a nap every lunch hour (I can do this at work as we have an on-call bedroom).

:(
 
Have you tried taking anything alternative - homeopathic?

Iodine
Guggul
L-Tyrosine

...there are more, but those come to my mind first.

Hypothyroidism & Homeopathy

Natural Cures Remedies | Hypothyroidism


I have taken guggul and tyrosine before. Iodine insufficiency is as rare as winning the lottery in the developed world.

In all honesty, after the YEARS of symptoms from having subclinical hypothyroidism, how odd my thyroid is, all of the research that I have done and that I am doing with regards to the long term impact of being hypothyroid, I would rather go with the therapy that is known to work.

My consultant at work has told me of a few patients that have tried alternative therapies, it has typically been a mitigated nightmare.

This is the thing, if 100 ug of thyroxine (T4) doesn't have an impact on the symptoms or the blood work, I really doubt that these herbal remedies will.

Some herbal and natural remedies are very effective, however so far, the natural solutions for clinical hypothyroidism haven't been successful.
 
I have a client who has had 1/2 her thyroid removed and the other half is refusing to cooperate. Her hair and nails were dry and brittle, she was tired and cranky. So she had her bloodwork done and they told her she was in the "normal" range, patted her on the butt and sent her out the door. I don't trust doctors....that's just me :)

Are you in the US or the UK?

One thought for you though.....if you haven't used any of the alternative therapies, and you aren't sure they'll work, maybe just think about trying. What could it hurt? Nothing else is working right now :)

Just a thought....:rose:
 
I have a client who has had 1/2 her thyroid removed and the other half is refusing to cooperate. Her hair and nails were dry and brittle, she was tired and cranky. So she had her bloodwork done and they told her she was in the "normal" range, patted her on the butt and sent her out the door. I don't trust doctors....that's just me :)

Are you in the US or the UK?

One thought for you though.....if you haven't used any of the alternative therapies, and you aren't sure they'll work, maybe just think about trying. What could it hurt? Nothing else is working right now :)

Just a thought....:rose:

The levothyroxine was working, we just experimented with dropping the amount.

I am in the UK.

Doctors really need to treat the symptoms.

My TSH was always normal, so a free T4 wasn't performed until I suppressed my thyroid gland with a low carb diet.

Typically, TSH is the most sensitive indicator of thyroid function, I just have an atypical presentation.

With regard to your client, did she have a free T4 and T3?

It seems more common for US labs to still run TSH, FT4, FT3, as well as the much older tests of total T4 and T3.
 
I know a few people that prefer armour (or any dessicated thyroid) over the synthetics...
I am perplexed by your numbers ....
I don't feel normal myself unless I'm at a tsh of .05 (hyperthyroid!) but I'm trusted to watch myself for upcoming thyroid storm and keep beta blockers on hand.
I also have a pretty sexy scar on my neck from my brush with extra-thyroidal papillary microcarcinoma so everyone is pretty satisfied with leaving my ultra suppressed.
My sister and my future mother inlaw are both in-tolerant of synthetics and only keep their weight down on armour...my fmil has no thyroid at all...and for some reason her jerk off dr was really resistant to put her back on armour after she had been on it for ten yrs already...
My sister is bad about blood work....she ups herself until shes shakey than slowly backs off...her levels always come up perfect...go figure.

can you get it in the uk? a dessicated...
I second a homeopathic md, they seem more focused at looking at the whole picture than just one thing.
 
With regard to your client, did she have a free T4 and T3?

It seems more common for US labs to still run TSH, FT4, FT3, as well as the much older tests of total T4 and T3.

Oh wow, Tat - I don't even think SHE knows the free T4 and T3 thing. I need to ask her. I'm pretty unfamiliar with the testing. I need to research that for myself for future reference.
 
I also stand corrected about iodine deficiency.

I am currently sorting out training for some of our new scientists and I am going to be lecturing on a lot of the hormones, the first one is on thyroid function.

It is a serious issue, 2 billion people world-wide are iodine deficient and it has a phenomenal impact on intelligence.

If children are born to iodine deficient mothers, congenital iodine deficiency hypothyroidism may occur, and if this is not treated, then cretinism results, and the brain never properly develops, which obviously has an impact on future cognitive abilities and all things associated with it, like employment.

It is a major issue that is one of the projects of the WHO.

It is also an issue in Europe. I couldn't find any statistics on England, however, I did find a communication in the Lancet that only 5% of families in the UK use iodinised salt, and when the researchers were assessing the iodinised salt, some of them had no iodine or trace amounts.

I don't think this is an issue in the US, and if you are taking a multi-vitamin/mineral everyday, it also won't be an issue.

Before anyone runs out and starts to supplement with iodine, there is also an issue if you over-supplement with iodine.

There can be an issue with people who move from areas with iodine rich soils to one with a lot of iodine or iodine enriched food, this can induce either hyper or hypo-thyroidism.
 
Thanks for this thread!

I recently got diagnosed with hypothyroidism but also have had problems with Pernicious anaemia. The comment regarding low carbohydrate intake and hypothyroidism really rings true with me as I am always in a rush to get leaner and to go faster in my sport. I am not sure how long I really have had the problem as although I may have been inside 'normal' ranges when you push yourself to the limit little things can have a large effect and I highly recommend athletes get these checked out regularly and monitor their own natural pattern. I just hope I can rescue some form ahead of the coming season. However I am being very cautious now about my carbs (much against my brain's wishes of less carbs = leaner!)

I started on 50mg T4 but now up to 125mg only 2 and a half months later!

The fact that concerns me now going forward is the link of low HGH and IGF-1 in hypothyroid patients.
 
Thanks for this thread!

I recently got diagnosed with hypothyroidism but also have had problems with Pernicious anaemia. The comment regarding low carbohydrate intake and hypothyroidism really rings true with me as I am always in a rush to get leaner and to go faster in my sport. I am not sure how long I really have had the problem as although I may have been inside 'normal' ranges when you push yourself to the limit little things can have a large effect and I highly recommend athletes get these checked out regularly and monitor their own natural pattern. I just hope I can rescue some form ahead of the coming season. However I am being very cautious now about my carbs (much against my brain's wishes of less carbs = leaner!)

I started on 50mg T4 but now up to 125mg only 2 and a half months later!

The fact that concerns me now going forward is the link of low HGH and IGF-1 in hypothyroid patients.


Please post some information with regard to the low GH.
 
Re: The thyroid thread-I have been there!!

Hi ladies,
I am not a BB, fat and not in very good shape.
I have been on Armour Thyroid (natural sheep glands) since I was 11 years old and I got Hashimoto's thyroiditis -- the most common form of hypo.

It is autoimmune and that runs in my mom's family. Same thing happened to her at same age -- she took Armour till she died which you have to do.

I am now 54. You may not get total symptom relief on synthroid alone. Synthroid is T4 only. I know in the UK they only approve Synthroid and many patients are quite unhappy with that. I know Synthroid doesn't work with me. My doc tried to refill a ascrip for me with synthroid and I raised HELL>
I have argued with endos, like the guy in the big medical center, board certified endo who told me the common lie, "Armour is not dosed properly, the dosages are not consistent, you don't know how much active ingredient you're gonna get".

I said, "Well I read the label, it says United States Pharmacopoeia, Biologically Assayed".

He shut up.

PLEASE go to this website and read: Stop the Thyroid Madness - Thyroid info and life-changing truth about thyroid treatment

The posters there have gone through all the same hell I have trying to get their dosage high enough to alleviate symptoms, and then some. Lots of fat, tired, exhausted people out there trying to get answers from their doctors who don't want to deal with them.

It's not about blood tests -- it's about taking ENOUGH thyroid to relieve symptoms.

GOOD LUCK, LADIES!!!

I take four grains a day of thyroid and most doctors crap a brick when they hear me say that. I got my internist trained to not object, after about 25 years!!
 
Thanks for your post. I'm not a BB but I do another power sport to an elite level.

I got tested for hashimoto's and that was negative, but it is extremely common and therefore requires different treatment??

Anyone know any spanish dessicated thyroid brands?
 
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I went to the farmacia and they had never heard of dessicated thyroid or natural thyroxine. They didn't even know of T3 because at least for now I could do a 4:1 T4 T3 as I am still having a majority of the symptoms listed on the website.

Anyone know of any spanish brand names for T3?
 
Synthetic T4 or levothyroxine and natural thyroxine are chemically identical, it is a very simple molecule.

There is a huge debate running right now as to what is the best treatment, I am going to review a few of the research papers.

I think that it is fairly obvious that you really have to go with what works for you. Initially to get your thyroxine levels in a physiologically, psychologically and biochemical 'happy' range can take quite a few dose adjustments and quite a few blood tests.

T3 is called liothyronine, it goes by the commercial names is cytomel or tertroxin.
 
Has anyone had hair regrowth when they started with thyroid meds?

My hair has been odd lately, I have loads of little spikey hairs coming out of my scalp, and extra hair around my hairline.
 
No but I have more hair growth ie under arms etc.

Although convinced my dose isn't right as really low strength (never ever had problem in the past), acne, irritable bowels, extremely breathless, tired, achy legs, can't stand for very long, numb feet etc etc

Was going to try adding T3 but can'tget it over here without a scrip and my doctor is on holiday until next Tuesday.
 
I am sure your doctor will want blood test as some of your symptoms could be from too much thyroxine, which mimics hyperthyroidism.

It really does annoy to have to keep checking things and adjusting your dose, but it is so important as too little or too much thyroxine have long term circumstances.

Signs and Symptoms of Hyperthyroidism
Also known as Overactive Thyroid and Graves’ Disease:

Palpitations – undue awareness of heart beat
Rapid and sometimes irregular heart beat
Breathlessness
Hair loss
Brittle nails
Unexplained weight loss
Swelling and or tenderness at front of throat
Hyperactive behaviour. Children tend to be clumsy and drop things
In children they may have grown faster than their peers so that their height is greater than normal for their age
Difficulty sleeping
Nervousness / Anxiety
Irritability
Aggressive behaviour
Sweating
Heat intolerance
Thirst
Tremor in hands and fingers
Looseness of the bowels, diarrhoea
Weak muscles – the upper muscles of your legs and arms are most likely to be affected. You may have difficulty in getting up from the squatting position without using your arms or find it hard to lift a heavy package down from a high shelf
Rapid pulse
Warm moist hands
Increased appetite
Lack of concentration and memory loss
Eye pain, double vision
Swelling or protrusion of the eyes
Development of painless red lumps, usually on the shins
In women of reproductive years the periods may become scant and sometimes can prematurely stop
Impaired fertility
Osteoporosis
Low cholesterol
Low blood pressure
Loss of libido / impotency


Signs and Symptoms of Hypothyroidism
Also known as Underactive Thyroid, Myxoedema and Hashimoto’s Disease

General tiredness
Excessive need of sleep
Increased awareness of the cold
The skin may become dry and thick and feels cold
The hair may begin to thin out become dry and coarse
Unusual loss of body hair – eyebrows may become sparse, and hair on forearms short and stubbly
Flaking, splitting nails
The voice may become hoarse or croaky
Constipation
Muscle weakness, cramps and aches; difficulty climbing stairs
Sore muscles

Pins and needles in the fingers and hands
In women of reproductive years the periods may become heavier and longer, but sometimes can prematurely stop
Fertility problems – failure to conceive, miscarriage.
Unexplained weight gain
Puffy face and bags under the eyes, change in facial appearance
Slow speech, movements and thoughts
Low mood, depression
Memory problems and lack of concentration
Slow heart beat and slightly raised blood pressure
Increased cholesterol
Anaemia
Hearing problems
Swelling at the front of the neck
Sensation of a lump in the throat
Although rare, in severe cases, unsteadiness on their feet, mental disturbance and even hallucinations may be experienced
Loss of libido / impotency
 
I am sure your doctor will want blood test as some of your symptoms could be from too much thyroxine, which mimics hyperthyroidism.

It really does annoy to have to keep checking things and adjusting your dose, but it is so important as too little or too much thyroxine have long term circumstances.

Signs and Symptoms of Hyperthyroidism
Also known as Overactive Thyroid and Graves’ Disease:

Palpitations – undue awareness of heart beat
Rapid and sometimes irregular heart beat
Breathlessness
Hair loss
Brittle nails
Unexplained weight loss
Swelling and or tenderness at front of throat
Hyperactive behaviour. Children tend to be clumsy and drop things
In children they may have grown faster than their peers so that their height is greater than normal for their age
Difficulty sleeping
Nervousness / Anxiety
Irritability
Aggressive behaviour
Sweating
Heat intolerance
Thirst
Tremor in hands and fingers
Looseness of the bowels, diarrhoea
Weak muscles – the upper muscles of your legs and arms are most likely to be affected. You may have difficulty in getting up from the squatting position without using your arms or find it hard to lift a heavy package down from a high shelf
Rapid pulse
Warm moist hands
Increased appetite
Lack of concentration and memory loss
Eye pain, double vision
Swelling or protrusion of the eyes
Development of painless red lumps, usually on the shins
In women of reproductive years the periods may become scant and sometimes can prematurely stop
Impaired fertility
Osteoporosis
Low cholesterol
Low blood pressure
Loss of libido / impotency


Signs and Symptoms of Hypothyroidism
Also known as Underactive Thyroid, Myxoedema and Hashimoto’s Disease

General tiredness
Excessive need of sleep

Increased awareness of the cold
The skin may become dry and thick and feels cold
The hair may begin to thin out become dry and coarse
Unusual loss of body hair – eyebrows may become sparse, and hair on forearms short and stubbly
Flaking, splitting nails
The voice may become hoarse or croaky
Constipation
Muscle weakness, cramps and aches; difficulty climbing stairs
Sore muscles

Pins and needles in the fingers and hands
In women of reproductive years the periods may become heavier and longer, but sometimes can prematurely stop
Fertility problems – failure to conceive, miscarriage.
Unexplained weight gain
Puffy face and bags under the eyes, change in facial appearance
Slow speech, movements and thoughts
Low mood, depression
Memory problems and lack of concentration

Slow heart beat and slightly raised blood pressure
Increased cholesterol
Anaemia
Hearing problems
Swelling at the front of the neck
Sensation of a lump in the throat
Although rare, in severe cases, unsteadiness on their feet, mental disturbance and even hallucinations may be experienced
Loss of libido / impotency

Thanks Tatyana!!!

I have highlighted a few more symptoms I am getting. I really have noticed that I have been a mix of hypo and hyper. The hypo symptoms always seem to get worse around my period (which usually is off-on for 3 weeks and very heavy at times). I am going to have to hold out for my doctor as no other doctors I have seen seem to recognise how an athlete can know their body so well and truly understand that a small variation can mean a big difference in well-being.

I would greatly appreciate any advice/experiences.

ps I have dropped my dose to 100mcg but my hypo symtpoms have worsened - not sure if this is period or the lower dose though???
 
Thanks Tatyana!!!

I have highlighted a few more symptoms I am getting. I really have noticed that I have been a mix of hypo and hyper. The hypo symptoms always seem to get worse around my period (which usually is off-on for 3 weeks and very heavy at times). I am going to have to hold out for my doctor as no other doctors I have seen seem to recognise how an athlete can know their body so well and truly understand that a small variation can mean a big difference in well-being.

I would greatly appreciate any advice/experiences.

ps I have dropped my dose to 100mcg but my hypo symtpoms have worsened - not sure if this is period or the lower dose though???

It is known that women on oestrogen/HRT/birth control pills or pregnant have to take a higher dose of thyroxine as it reduces the amount of free thyroxine in the bloodstream.

Reduced serum free thyroxine concentration in postmenopausal women receiving oestrogen treatment.

Br Med J (Clin Res Ed). 1984 March 10; 288(6419): 754–755. PMCID: PMC1444662


Reduced serum free thyroxine concentration in postmenopausal women receiving oestrogen treatment.

H I Abdalla, D M Hart, and G H Beastall

Abstract
Thyroid hormone state was assessed in a group of postmenopausal women who had received long term treatment with oestrogen. Serum concentrations of total thyroxine, triiodothyronine, and thyroxine binding globulin were raised compared with those in a control group given placebo; serum concentrations of thyroid stimulating hormone did not differ between the groups. Oestrogen treatment resulted in a significant decrease in the serum free thyroxine concentration and in the ratio of thyroxine to thyroxine binding globulin, which supports the view that oestrogen is the causative factor of the physiological reduction in free thyroid hormone during pregnancy.

http://www.ukmicentral.nhs.uk/headline/database/viewnewssearch.asp?offset=5740&NewsID=209

11 June 2001

HRT may alter thyroid hormone levels

Hypothyroid women may require increased doses of thyroxine replacement during pregnancy, but the reason for this is not fully known. It is thought to be at least in part due to oestrogen-induced increases in thyroxine-binding globulin, therefore it is possible that HRT may also increase thyroxine needs. A small clinical study has measured thyroid function in 11 normal women and 25 hypothyroid women for 48 weeks after starting HRT. The results showed that in the normal women, serum free thyroxine levels were unchanged although total thyroxine had risen by about 30%. In those with hypothyroidism, free thyroxine levels fell by nearly 20% - this could be sufficient to precipitate symptoms. The author concludes that in women with hypothyroidism treated with thyroxine, giving oestrogen may increase their thyroxine requirements.

NEJM 2001; 344: 1743-9
 
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