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The School Massacre Could Have Been Diverted (oh the irony)

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Gun bill gets shot down by panel
HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.

By Greg Esposito
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A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Del. Dave Nutter, R-Christiansburg, would not comment Monday because he was not part of the subcommittee that discussed the bill.

Most universities in Virginia require students and employees, other than police, to check their guns with police or campus security upon entering campus. The legislation was designed to prohibit public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun."

The legislation allowed for exceptions for participants in athletic events, storage of guns in residence halls and military training programs.

Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university's authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.

In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.
 
well, we all see how well that worked out. letting this bill die definitely kept students safer....
 
p0ink said:
well, we all see how well that worked out. letting this bill die definitely kept students safer....


Great intelligent forward thinking insight.

I couldn't ever see ANY issues EVER arise from a bunch of college kids walking around with guns on their hips. EVER.
 
p0ink said:
well, we all see how well that worked out. letting this bill die definitely kept students safer....
Guns will never be legal on college campuses. Its for the children, oh wait.....
 
KillahBee said:
Great intelligent forward thinking insight.

I couldn't ever see ANY issues EVER arise from a bunch of college kids walking around with guns on their hips. EVER.

uh, how many shootouts do you see from people who have done all the legal paperwork, had their background checks, had their finger prints taken, passed an NRA course, and have received their license?

there are 33 states that allow this, and none of them have blood running in the streets. in fact, it is the exact opposite. states that allow their citizens to be armed have a much lower violent crime rate.

what makes you think it would be any different on campus?
 
p0ink said:
uh, how many shootouts do you see from people who have done all the legal paperwork, had their background checks, had their finger prints taken, passed an NRA course, and have received their license?

there are 33 states that allow this, and none of them have blood running in the streets. in fact, it is the exact opposite. states that allow their citizens to be armed have a much lower violent crime rate.

what makes you think it would be any different on campus?


One question (and I really don't know the answer, but if the answer is what I hope it is than you just PWNED yourself): Did the shooter in the Va Tech incident have the paper work and all that good stuff?
 
Although I agree with guns & carry permits, I have to disagree with having guns on campus. College kids do stupid things, have crazy parties, drink excessively, and have too many emotions concerning relationships to be stable enough for firearms.
 
KillahBee said:
One question (and I really don't know the answer, but if the answer is what I hope it is than you just PWNED yourself): Did the shooter in the Va Tech incident have the paper work and all that good stuff?

He didn't have a concealed carry permit.
 
KillahBee said:
One question (and I really don't know the answer, but if the answer is what I hope it is than you just PWNED yourself): Did the shooter in the Va Tech incident have the paper work and all that good stuff?

he was eligible to purchase a gun, but not allowed to legally carry it.

this bill would have allowed people to carry a concealed weapon on campus ONLY after they have filled out paperwork with the county sheriff, had a background check on the state and federal level, had their fingerprints taken, successfully passed an NRA safety course, and paid the fees for doing so.

there is a difference between a person who takes that much time, effort, and legal hassle and a person who just tosses a gun in his backpack.
 
alien amp pharm said:
Although I agree with guns & carry permits, I have to disagree with having guns on campus. College kids do stupid things, have crazy parties, drink excessively, and have too many emotions concerning relationships to be stable enough for firearms.

ok, bogus argument.

a. you have to be 21
b. no alcohol is served in the classrooms
c. the majority of parties are off campus, where there are no firearm restrictions (and it's not the OK corral, is it?)
4. the majority of fights happen off campus
 
The shooter did legally purchase the gun.

Va is one of the most lax states in the US regarding gun control.
 
heatherrae said:
The shooter did legally purchase the gun.

Va is one of the most lax states in the US regarding gun control.

HE STILL CANNOT CARRY WITHOUT A PERMIT. THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

we have gone over this about 100 times now, on several different threads, but yet you keep parroting the same stupid thing.
 
The only scenario I can see letting an 18 year old have a gun is through the military in which is being "supervised" by an adult, LOL

Letting an 18 year old as a private citizen possess a gun and letting him carry it on a college campus aside from the security of that college or university is just ridiculously
 
gjohnson5 said:
The only scenario I can see letting an 18 year old have a gun is through the military in which is being "supervised" by an adult, LOL

Letting an 18 year old as a private citizen possess a gun and letting him carry it on a college campus aside from the security of that college or university is just ridiculously

you have to be 21+. nice try.
 
Ummm...he isn't allowed to KILL PEOPLE either. :rolleyes:

By the way, this is the law in CCW law in Va. Get it straight.

CCW LIMITS
May police limit carrying concealed handguns? No

State law forces police chiefs and state sheriffs to give concealed carry permits (CCW) to anyone who can buy a handgun, allowing them to carry loaded, concealed handguns in public (known as ?shall issue?). Police may not even require safety training in the legal or safe use of weapons for CCW applicants. State law allows residents of some other states to carry concealed weapons in this state without informing local police.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=va
 
heatherrae said:
Ummm...he isn't allowed to KILL PEOPLE either. :rolleyes:

By the way, this is the law in CCW law in Va. Get it straight.

CCW LIMITS
May police limit carrying concealed handguns? No

State law forces police chiefs and state sheriffs to give concealed carry permits (CCW) to anyone who can buy a handgun, allowing them to carry loaded, concealed handguns in public (known as ?shall issue?). Police may not even require safety training in the legal or safe use of weapons for CCW applicants. State law allows residents of some other states to carry concealed weapons in this state without informing local police.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=va

yes, it is a 'shall issue state', which means the state must issue the license to anyone who is eligible to have one, unlike places like new york, where it is only reserved for the wealthy, elite.

and the anti-gun people at the brady campaign are going to do everything to spin things to make it look worse.

go here, it will show you what is required, by state law, as to what a person must do to get a permit.

http://www.packing.org/state/virginia/
 
gjohnson5 said:
Since when do you have to be 21 to join the military??
18 year old can join right out of high school

we are not talking in the military setting, we are talking about private citizens carrying guns.
 
gjohnson5 said:
when does it end?

Might as well give the guns to the 6 year olds so that can shoot each other in preschool :rolleyes:

Gangbanging 18 year olds already pack without going through procedure. What is your point?
 
Your link said the same thing, poink. That is the law in VA.

This school shooting thing is not working toward your argument that VA has tough laws and thus gun control didn't work to prevent the shooting. Truth is that VA has the most lax gun laws in the US, and look what happened.

As a matter of fact, 5 other guns purchased at Roanoak Firearms, where the shooter bought the gun, have been used in murders.

New York police state that most of the guns used to commit crimes in New York are being easily purchased in Virginia. They are cliaming that Va's loose laws are creating a problem in New York.

I really don't have a strong opinion one way or the other and haven't voiced one, but your constant bending of the facts and mistatements of the truth are annoying.
 
We're still talking about an assumed scenario here, Poink. "If" students were allowed to carry guns the massacre "may not" have been as bad - is that right? Pretty lucid arguement there.

I could make the same arguement, based on a FACTUAL incident that just occured, that if students could carry guns the massacre would have been worse or happened sooner.
 
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