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*The Ross Protocols: Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced Steroid Therapies!*

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The Ross Protocols:
Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced Steroid Therapies!​



Beginner Cycles​

Beginner BULKING Cycle #1

Weeks 1-4: Dianabol, 25mgs ED
Weeks 1-8: Testosterone Enanthate, 250mgs
Weeks 8-12: Oral Winstrol, 50mgs ED
*PCT*


Beginner BULKING Cycle #2

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 40mgs ED
Weeks 1-8: Sustanon, 500mgs
Weeks 6-10: Anavar, 50mgs ED
*PCT*


Beginner CUTTING Cycle #1

Weeks 1-8: Primobolan, 300mgs
Weeks 1-8: Testosterone Enanthate, 250mgs
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 50mgs ED
*PCT*

Beginner CUTTING Cycle #2

Weeks 1-8: Primobolan, 300mgs
Weeks 1-8: Testosterone Propionate, 100mgs EOD
Weeks 1-8: Winstrol, 50mgs ED
*PCT*




Intermediate Cycles​

Intermediate BULKING Cycle #1


Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30-40mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Deca, 400mgs
Weeks 1-10: Test E, 500mgs
Weeks 6-12: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Intermediate BULKING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30-40mgs ED
Weeks 1-12: Equipoise, 600mgs
Weeks 1-10: Omnadren, 500mgs
Weeks 8-14: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Intermediate CUTTING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-10: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Masteron, 100mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Intermediate CUTTING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-10: Winstrol, 75mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Masteron, 100mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Primobolan, 400mgs
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Advanced Cycles​

Advanced BULKING Cycle #1


Weeks 1-6: Anadrol, 100mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate, 750mgs
Weeks 1-10: Trenbolone Acetate, 50-75mgs ED
Weeks 1-12: Equipoise, 600mgs
Weeks 8-12: Masteron, 150mgs EOD
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*

Advanced BULKING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-4: Testosterone Suspension, 50-100mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate, 750mgs
Weeks 1-10: Trenbolone Acetate, 50-75mgs ED
Weeks 1-12: Primobolan, 600mgs
Weeks 8-12: Halotestin, 30mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Advanced CUTTING Cycle #1


Weeks 1-8: Winstrol, 100mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Trenbolone Acetate, 50-75mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 80mgs ED
Weeks 8-10: Masteron, 150mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Advanced CUTTING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-10: Masteron, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Trenbolone Acetate, 50-75mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Primobolan, 400mgs
Weeks 6-10: Halotestin, 30mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*





*I do not use Nandrolone(Deca), Trenbolone(Tren) or Oxymetholone(Anadrol)



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Look good i do feel that the intermediate cycle might be a little harsh on the body running
winstrol or tbol for 10 weeks is a little much fof someone with only 1-2 cycles under thier belt.

I do think the begginer cycles look real good and the intermediate (minus the winstrol tbol for 10 weeks i think it should be 6 weeks 8 tops).

the advanced cycles are for guys in the high up I'm not ever gonna go thier with my body so I cant really comment on them.but does not look unreasonable at all
 
Primordial Performance said:
Looks good Ross,

Please elaborate on this here -

“*I do not use Nandrolone(Deca) or Trenbolone(Tren) or Oxymetholone(Anadrol)”

-Pp
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SEX is the single-most important thing in my life. YES, above and beyond just about all else.

When I first decided to use steroids, it was after YEARS of hardcore natural training and TONS of scientific research. The ONLY side-effects that ever really concerned me were "SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION", "GYNO" and bad ACNE. I had WITNESSED it firsthand in many of my friends and colleagues. BUT, there was a CORRELATION...

SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION, in it's severe form, had ONLY occured to my friends and colleagues who had used TRENBOLONE and NANDROLONE. These two HIGHLY PROGESTATIONAL compounds were the MAIN reason I was PETRIFED to use AAS for years! Furthermore, the guys who had GYNO or ACNE had all ABUSED TESTOSTERONE.

Finally, when I made the "leap", I PROMISED myself that I would never use DECA or TREN and I would NEVER ABUSE TESTOSTERONE.

I have gained over 60lbs of PURE, LEAN, UNADULTERATED MUSCLE MASS since then, and all without the help of DECA and TREN and with LOW dosages of testosterone. I have experienced virtually ZERO side-effects.

As for Anadrol, it is also just a nasty compound that produces a lot of unpleasant side-effects and a HORRIBLE appearance overall.

If I could do things all over again, I would do everything exactly the same.
 
this is the cycle i was commenting on

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Intermediate CUTTING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-10: Turinabol, 60mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Masteron, 100mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*
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no offesnse but I feel 110mg of orals ed for 10 weeks is overkill.
perhaps weeks 1-5 tbol 60mg ed
weeks 6-10 anavar 50mg ed

thats just me but i wont run orals past 6 weeks. I feel they stop working and the gain to vs risk ratio goes up alot with the stress on the liver filtering them out.
 
Ross you used Halo? I've never used Halo, but I have used tren, and Halo's possible sides are a whole lot more scary to me then tren's. But then again Halo is only included in the ADVANCED cycles.
 
chazk said:
this is the cycle i was commenting on

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Intermediate CUTTING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-10: Turinabol, 60mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Masteron, 100mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*
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no offesnse but I feel 110mg of orals ed for 10 weeks is overkill.
perhaps weeks 1-5 tbol 60mg ed
weeks 6-10 anavar 50mg ed

thats just me but i wont run orals past 6 weeks. I feel they stop working and the gain to vs risk ratio goes up alot with the stress on the liver filtering them out.
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I would agree EXCEPT in the case of "Turinavar", the Turinabol/Anavar stack that I invented years ago.

I have used this combo twice now, and my liver enzymes were less elevated than when I was on 100mgs of Turinabol alone--go figure.

Oral toxicity is way exaggerated anyway in my opinion, but that's another issue :)

Good points you bring to the table Chaz my friend.
 
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sofakingdel said:
Ross you used Halo? I've never used Halo, but I have used tren, and Halo's possible sides are a whole lot more scary to me then tren's. But then again Halo is only included in the ADVANCED cycles.
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I have used Halo at 10-40mgs, and the drug is absolutely INCREDIBLE!

Strength gains were unlike anything I have ever experienced before. SCARY! Agression was also unparalleled, very comparable to MASTERON overall. Also makes the muscles like ROCKS!

Halo is also very mild on the HPTA.

ONLY downside, very liver toxic mg for mg, so it's use is limited to 4-6 weeks, but I have seen bros run it for 10.
 
What's everybodies opinion on how many cycles constitutes being an intermediate and how many being an advanced user?
 
Mac173 said:
What's everybodies opinion on how many cycles constitutes being an intermediate and how many being an advanced user?
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I think it's more about how YOUR body responds to each compound and each dosage, on a very INDIVIDUAL level.

For instance, my first 4 cycles were all "Beginner", because I happened to respond well to lower dosages and less compounds; perhaps because I TRAINED and ATE so PERFECTLY, or perhaps because of some GENETIC reason.

Other guys stop responding to beginner protocols by their 2nd or 3rd cycle, for WHATEVER GENETIC REASON. Sometimes it IS due to a lack of proper training and eating, but sometimes guys just don't respond as well as others.

"If it aint broken don't fix it"....

Only increase dosages and compounds as NEEDED.
 
Mac173 said:
What's everybodies opinion on how many cycles constitutes being an intermediate and how many being an advanced user?
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sheeit u got me, some ppl have done steroids for years and have done 10+ cycles but may have never run a cycle the right way. factors such as variety, combinations, and amounts come in to play. I had a post a while back inquiring who has taken what and nobody stepped up.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=537424
 
- Ross - said:
Testosterone Enanthate
Testosterone Propionate
Testosterone Suspension
Sustanon
Dianabol
Equipoise
Primobolan Ace(Oral)
Primobolan Enanthate
Masteron
Proviron
Anavar
Turinabol
Oral Winstrol
Injectable Winstrol
Halotestin
Closetbol
Desoxymethyltestosterone
Superdrol....

Arimidex
Aromasin
Nolvadex
Clomid
HCG
Cabergoline
B-12
Albuterol


No Deca, No Tren, No Drol.

I THINK that about covers it
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damn you definately are an ADVANCED user, lol, ADVANCED
 
Intermediate BULKING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30-40mgs ED
Weeks 1-12: Equipoise, 600mgs
Weeks 1-10: Omnadren, 500mgs
Weeks 8-14: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*

ross you just broke 1 of your anabolic commandments
10)thou shalt always use testosterone as the base of a cycle.
just pointing that out
 
Mac173 said:
What's everybodies opinion on how many cycles constitutes being an intermediate and how many being an advanced user?
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Hell, I'd say 1st hand experience on every single compound with testosterone as a base. Ex. Test E/Dbol, Test E/Win, Test P/Primo, Test P/Tren

Simply because everyone reacts differently and you cannot really learn how specific steroids are going to effect you until you take them personally.

for example - why is tren so advanced? Because some get bad sides? I don't.... How is Dianobol so beginner? Because its an oral? hell DBol fuckin kills my endurance and makes me feel like shit.

You can only research so many info websites and forums until you actually try it yourself. This is how I learned what compounds fit my needs
 
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To each his own. I think orals for a beginner is overkill. Deca and Tren are great compounds and not everyone has issues with them.

Perp
 
tonyroma said:
Hell, I'd say 1st hand experience on every single compound with testosterone as a base. Ex. Test E/Dbol, Test E/Win, Test P/Primo, Test P/Tren

Simply because everyone reacts differently and you cannot really learn how specific steroids are going to effect you until you take them personally.

for example - why is tren so advanced? Because some get bad sides? I don't.... How is Dianobol so beginner? Because it has low sides? hell DBol fuckin kills my endurance and makes me feel like shit.

You can only research so many info websites and forums until you actually try it yourself. This is how I learned what compounds fit my needs
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Great point, great insight as well, kudos to a fellow Ohioan!
 
cadey said:
Intermediate BULKING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30-40mgs ED
Weeks 1-12: Equipoise, 600mgs
Weeks 1-10: Omnadren, 500mgs
Weeks 8-14: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*

ross you just broke 1 of your anabolic commandments
10)thou shalt always use testosterone as the base of a cycle.
just pointing that out
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Cadey....Omnadren is Test. Its very similiar to Sustanon...but I dont know anyone who has actually used it.
 
Ross,

I've always been tempted to try halo. If I did it would be at a low dose...most likely 10-15mg ed. Is it even worth it at that point? How liver toxic is it...I've read its pretty harsh.

I still wanna try it though! Can you put together an intermediate cycle including halo for us real quick?
 
Primordial Performance said:
Looks good Ross,

Please elaborate on this here -

“*I do not use Nandrolone(Deca) or Trenbolone(Tren) or Oxymetholone(Anadrol)”

-Pp
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As I recall, a year ago it was "I never use Testosterone"...

Excluding an entire family of steroids (the 19-nors) isn't a great idea I think. They offer quite a few benefits...also, since Tren doesn't convert to estrogen and isn't really able to be 5a-reduced, it's a pretty good steroid for most people on a cutting cycle.
 
10 weeks of winny might be a bit over overkill, i cant see someones liver values lookin too solid after that.. but i might be wrong
 
Ross would you recommend deca durabolin at 200mg every 5th day along with test for someone's second cycle, assuming they don't want to have sex before marriage ?
 
Anthony Roberts said:
Excluding an entire family of steroids (the 19-nors) isn't a great idea I think. They offer quite a few benefits....
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Agreed Sir Anthony

Deca provides an athlete with so much more then just extra Anabolism.

1) bone and mineral composition
2) joint lubrication
3) I think it modulates mood a bit ( no proof though)
4) extra Anabolism with low or no aromatization
 
cadey said:
Intermediate BULKING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30-40mgs ED
Weeks 1-12: Equipoise, 600mgs
Weeks 1-10: Omnadren, 500mgs
Weeks 8-14: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*

ross you just broke 1 of your anabolic commandments
10)thou shalt always use testosterone as the base of a cycle.
just pointing that out
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Omandren IS Testosterone buddy :chomp:
 
Anthony Roberts said:
As I recall, a year ago it was "I never use Testosterone"...

Excluding an entire family of steroids (the 19-nors) isn't a great idea I think. They offer quite a few benefits...also, since Tren doesn't convert to estrogen and isn't really able to be 5a-reduced, it's a pretty good steroid for most people on a cutting cycle.
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I am still CONSERVATIVE wth TESTOSTERONE USAGE.

Deca and Tren are REMARKABLE compounds, which is why I included them in my protocols.

It is my PERSONAL choice not to use them, and I have had GREAT results without them. :chomp:
 
Pump2356 said:
Ross would you recommend deca durabolin at 200mg every 5th day along with test for someone's second cycle, assuming they don't want to have sex before marriage ?
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LOL!

Under THAT assumption, GO for it! LOL :)
 
sofakingdel said:
Ross, you kinda look like Joe Francis (the pimp from girls gone wild) on juice, lol
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He actually does.
I knew his face looked familiar, but just couldn't place it.
 
- Ross - said:
I am still CONSERVATIVE wth TESTOSTERONE USAGE.

Deca and Tren are REMARKABLE compounds, which is why I included them in my protocols.

It is my PERSONAL choice not to use them, and I have had GREAT results without them. :chomp:
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It's still very sketchy to advise people on the use of compounds you haven't and wouldn't personally use, you know?

I suppose I'm more from the Duchaine school of thought...
 
Anthony Roberts said:
It's still very sketchy to advise people on the use of compounds you haven't and wouldn't personally use, you know?

I suppose I'm more from the Duchaine school of thought...
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Dozens of my close friends and colleagues have used Deca and Tren, so I am fully aware of the effects they produce. As you know, I have also thoroughly researched AAS for many years, and have tons of hardcore bodybuilding experience.

It is just my personal choice not to use these compounds. I don't expect everyone to sharethe same opinion as me.
 
boston789 said:
Ross,

I've always been tempted to try halo. If I did it would be at a low dose...most likely 10-15mg ed. Is it even worth it at that point? How liver toxic is it...I've read its pretty harsh.

I still wanna try it though! Can you put together an intermediate cycle including halo for us real quick?
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20mgs of Halotestin will send your strength to another GALAXY!

Use it for 4 weeks, no problems bud.
 
So what's the reasoning behind these cycles? They seem kind of arbitrary.

I put together cycles in a certain way:

http://www.anthony-roberts.com/designing_cycle.html

Designed Pre-PCT under certain parameters:

http://www.anthony-roberts.com/pre_pct.html

And have a PCT which follows a synergistic approach:

http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/Post Cycle Threapy (PCT).html

All of Which has certain parameters, synergy, and logic. What is the reasoning behind yours?

I mean...what makes them different than any given cycle, and why would your cycles give optimal results over, say, any cycle someone posts?
 
I have a question about Mast, i've never taken it but i've heard that is only useful for aesthetics in people with single digit body fat%. You know theres a lot of chubbies lookin for there summer cutter, will they be waisting there money? Also wut about Mast for people like myself that hover at 10-12% will it make us look a little harder more defined at that bf%
 
Anthony Roberts said:
So what's the reasoning behind these cycles? They seem kind of arbitrary.

I put together cycles in a certain way:

http://www.anthony-roberts.com/designing_cycle.html


Which has certain parameters. What is the reasoning behind yours?

I mean...what makes them different than any given cycle, and why would your cycles give optimal results over, say, any cycle someone posts?
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Chapter 2

**The STANDARD Cycle** ​



A PERFECT CYCLE CONSISTS OF *BOTH*, SLOW AND FAST-ACTING STEROIDS!

In most cases, a LONG-esterfied injectable steroid such as Testosterone Enanthate would function as the BASE of the cycle, providing slow but consistent gains throughout the entire cycle's duration.

A SHORT-acting steroid is used in either the BEGINNING of a cycle or at the END of a cycle. Typically, Dianabol and Anadrol are used at the beginning of a cycle to provide STRENGTH and MASS gains BEFORE the base(and/or secondary injectable) "KICK IN". A FAST-ACTING stroid such as Anavar or Winstrol is used at the END of a cycle and RIGHT UP UNTIL post cycle therapy, while the LONG-acting steroid SLOWLY exits the system.


An optimal cycle contains several components:


1.) A Base: This is the usually the most powerful compound in the stack, and it is typically ran throughout the entire duration of the cycle. Most individuals will choose Testosterone for a base, but for those uncomfortable using testosterone; Trenbolone, Equipoise, Masteron, and even Primobolan can be used instead. In your case, the base will be testosterone Enanthate.


2.) The JUMPSTARTER: This compound must be FAST-ACTING, so as to generate muscle and strength gains BEFORE YOUR BASE AND YOUR ASSISTANT KICK IN. Jumpstarting usually applies to BULKING cycles, but they can be used effectively in CUTTING cycles as well. Dianabol and Anadrol are the most popular steroids for JUMPSTARTING a cycle, because they both induce incredible strength and mass in a very short period of time; but it important to note that there are MANY other drugs that can be used for this purpose that are usually overlooked. Halotestin at 30-40mgs will provide ENORMOUS strength at the beginning of your cycle, making it GREAT to jumpstart BULKING cycles AND CUTTING cycles. Injectable Winstrol can ALSO be used to jumpstart BULKING CYCLES and CUTTING CYCLES. The Oral is too weak to act as an effective JUMPSTARTER. I would say the same for Anavar and Turinabol. Trenbolone Acetate and Testosterone Propionate(or suspension) are also very popular choices used to jumpstart BULKING cycles. You will be using Dianabol as your JUMPSTARTER.


3.) The FINISHER: A FAST-acting steroid MUST BE UTILIZED at the end of your cycle's duration! You MUST remain ANABOLIC right up until post cycle therapy! If you FAIL to use a fast-acting steroid such as Winstrol or Oxandrolone during your FINAL weeks while your BASE and your ASSISTANT leave your system, you will LOSE GAINS BEFORE YOU EVEN BEGIN post cycle therapy. This is one of the BIGGEST mistakes people make. Test E will not leave your system for at LEAST 3 weeks after your FINAL SHOT. Therefore, you MUST remain anabolic during these 3 weeks when your adrogen levels PLUMMET! You will be using Winstrol Inject as your Finisher.


Failure to uitlize ANY of the 3 ESSENTIAL COMPONENTS will result in a cycle that is LESS THAN OPTIMAL.*

For an intermediate or advanced user, a SECONDARY ANABOLIC called the "assistant" should be added for OPTIMAL results.

*) The Assistant: This compound is ran alongside the BASE for the majority of the cycle, providing a synergistic effect throughout it's duration. Most people will choose either Deca or Equipoise, usually using testosterone as the base. Trenbolone, Masteron, and Primobolan also make great Assistants. You will be using Deca as your Assiatant.

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Test E, 500mgs
Weeks 1-10: Deca, 400mg
Weeks 10-14: Winstrol Inject, 75mgs ED


The Standard Cycle is designed for OPTIMUM anabolism, utilizing precise strategies in order to gain and sustain the most muscle possible!

There are three essential stages of a Proper "Steroid Therapy":

1.) The Steroid Cycle: Anabolic steroids are utilized over the course of many weeks, sometimes many months, as the bodybuilder aquires as much muscle mass as possible, or while dieting to preserve muscle and aid in fatloss.

2.) Active Recovery(Pre-PCT): This is the period of time DIRECTLY AFTER YOUR CYCLE. DO NOT GO STRAIGHT INTO post cycle therapy! This is why you experience a POST-CYCLE CRASH! Utilizing an ACTIVE RECOVERY PERIOD, will allow the body to BEGIN producing testosterone once again, while still remaining in an ANABOLIC STATE!

3.) Post Cycle Therapy: Now that your HPTA has began recovering, and you have successfully transitioned out of your steroid cycle, it is now time to FULLY RESTORE THE HPTA. Now is the time for your FULL agressive post cycle therapy regimen, including HCG, Aromasin, and Nolvadex if desired.

4.) The Bridge:(*Optional) Now that you are FULLY RECOVERED and your PCT is complete, you can begin bridging while awaiting your FULL CYCLE. This will allow you to make GREATER THAN NATURAL GAINS, while still maintaining normal testosterone levels.

For a complete list of compounds that do NOT CAUSE HPTA SHUTDOWN, please see my current article "Using Anabolic Steroids WIthout HPTA SHUTDOWN".
 
sofakingdel said:
I have a question about Mast, i've never taken it but i've heard that is only useful for aesthetics in people with single digit body fat%. You know theres a lot of chubbies lookin for there summer cutter, will they be waisting there money? Also wut about Mast for people like myself that hover at 10-12% will it make us look a little harder more defined at that bf%
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Masteron is a GREAT steriod regardless of bodyfat%.

However, for OPTIMAL results, a lower bodyfat% is necessary.

Having said that, Masteron is still GREAT for a BULKING cycle because it posseses such a DISTINCT ANDROGENIC component. Not only does it increase strength and agression, it also increases FREE Testosterone and decreases estrogen, making your testosterone-ester more effective. Not to mention, your muscles will feel like ROCKS!

So in conclusion, it is BETTER to be at a lower bodyfat, but certainly not necessary.
 
That's more like a list of definitions. "Base", "jumpstart" "pct" "pre-pct" "bridge", etc...are all just already used definitions of what people are already doing, and have been doing for a decade. Tapering esters is half a decade old if not a full decade. Short esters at the beginning and end is common, as is kickstarting a cycle. Blasting/Cruising is DoggCrapp's terminology from half a dozen years ago. The PCT you reccomend is just mine.

What I'm saying is why is this any different than what's already around? Like....what's new in all of this, and what's the reasoning?

I'm asking what makes your theories different, I suppose, than what's out there.
 
Anthony Roberts said:
That's more like a list of definitions. "Base", "jumpstart" "pct" "pre-pct" "bridge", etc...are all just already used definitions of what people are already doing, and have been doing for a decade. Tapering esters is half a decade old if not a full decade. Short esters at the beginning and end is common, as is kickstarting a cycle. Blasting/Cruising is DoggCrapp's terminology from half a dozen years ago. The PCT you reccomend is just mine.

What I'm saying is why is this any different than what's already around? Like....what's new in all of this, and what's the reasoning?

I'm asking what makes your theories different, I suppose, than what's out there.
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First of all, I wanted to make the concept of "Pre-PCT" just as commonplace as "PCT". It is my mission to convince the AAS community that EVERY intermediate/advanced cycle needs a Pre-PCT(Active Recovery)

Secondly, I wanted to convince the AAS community that a BASE, a JUMPSTART, and most importantly--a FINISHER, should be included in EVERY cycle for optimal results.

To conclude, These are my protoclos that I recommend. These are the protocols that have gotten ME and my friends and colleagues where they are TODAY. They are now available to all of the members here at EF.
 
- Ross - said:
First of all, I wanted to make the concept of "Pre-PCT" just as commonplace as "PCT". It is my mission to convince the AAS community that EVERY intermediate/advanced cycle needs a Pre-PCT(Active Recovery)

Secondly, I wanted to convince the AAS community that a BASE, a JUMPSTART, and most importantly--a FINISHER, should be included in EVERY cycle for optimal results.

To conclude, These are my protoclos that I recommend. These are the protocols that have gotten ME and my friends and colleagues where they are TODAY. They are now available to all of the members here at EF.
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I think that more logic needs to be applied though. For example, in another thread you were recommending B6 to lower progesterone. And it works..but it lowers androgen transcription too. So whoever you know that used it to lower progesterone likely lessened their gains also. And it still got them to where they are today, but in the end, it's far from optimal.

Or, as another example, you're saying (in the prolactin thread) that tren and deca are more powerful progestins than Progesterone itself (they're not). So did that information allow you to get where you are today, physique-wise? Sure. But it's totally incorrect.

On a timeline of how things work, ideas that are wrong might not have an effect on you, or your friends, but as more people try them and they don't work, it's not going to be enough that they worked for the people you know.

If my Benadryl/Clen idea or my GH/T4 ideas didn't work, then I'd be outta a job...but since every step leading up to their printing was researched and original, I knew the idea would work.

IMHO, you need to appropriate more of these ideas and make them your own, rather than saying "This worked for me" because regardless of how much deca and tren your friends use, it still does not stimulate the PgR more than progesterone will, and B6 will lessen androgen levels along with progesterone levels.

Does that make sense?
 
Anthony Roberts said:
I think that more logic needs to be applied though. For example, in another thread you were recommending B6 to lower progesterone. And it works..but it lowers androgen transcription too. So whoever you know that used it to lower progesterone likely lessened their gains also. And it still got them to where they are today, but in the end, it's far from optimal.

Or, as another example, you're saying (in the prolactin thread) that tren and deca are more powerful progestins than Progesterone itself (they're not). So did that information allow you to get where you are today, physique-wise? Sure. But it's totally incorrect.

On a timeline of how things work, ideas that are wrong might not have an effect on you, or your friends, but as more people try them and they don't work, it's not going to be enough that they worked for the people you know.

If my Benadryl/Clen idea or my GH/T4 ideas didn't work, then I'd be outta a job...but since every step leading up to their printing was researched and original, I knew the idea would work.

IMHO, you need to appropriate more of these ideas and make them your own, rather than saying "This worked for me" because regardless of how much deca and tren your friends use, it still does not stimulate the PgR more than progesterone will, and B6 will lessen androgen levels along with progesterone levels.

Does that make sense?
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These are just some simple cycle Protocols that I suggest. Nothing ground-breaking really, LOL.

I don't suggest using B-6, I suggest Cabergoline. B-6 get's pissed out, and it also lowers not only Androgen transcrition, but ESTROGEN and PROGESTERONE transcription as well.

Tren and Deca stimulate the Progesterone receptor BIG TIME. Anytime the Progesterone receptor is stimulated, the Pituitary secretes Prolactin. Ergo, Tren and Deca cause HUGE spikes in Prolactin. I was under the impression that Nandrolone stimulated the Progesterone receptor 20% MORE than progesterone itself, but you are indeed correct that it is 20% OF, still extremely progestational.

*Check your Elitefitness E-mail. :)
 
juniorsamples said:
Which present day Pro Hormones do you believe to be best?
In your opinion, can some oral Pro Hormones be used when running an Oil based cycle?
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"Prohormones" are steroid PRECURSORS. They are not active steroids until metabolized by the body. These don't exist anymore(Androstenedione, Androstenediol, 19-nortest,)

"Pro-Steroid" is a new term that denotes an ACTIVE STEROID COMPOUND that is legal because it is not yet on any "banned substances lists" because it is so new. (Superdrol, Phera-plex, Halodrol)

My favorite Prohormone was definitely 4-Adiol, and my favorite Pro-steroid is a toss-up between Superdrol and Phera-plex. Superdrol make my physique look AWESOME, and it produced great gains in strength and muscle. Phera-plex BLEW ME THE FUCK UP! But it also produces LOTS of bloat and Acne; moreso than ANYTHING else I have ever used.
 
ross, what did u do for pct on the pro steroids halodrol, phera, and supedrol and WHERE can you find these legal products at for a good price...are they done making these items?

bro your ideas are right on i have around for a while and I think you are 100% right on decca and fina-

Light doses *
 
GLEN said:
ross, what did u do for pct on the pro steroids halodrol, phera, and supedrol and WHERE can you find these legal products at for a good price...are they done making these items?

bro your ideas are right on i have around for a while and I think you are 100% right on decca and fina-

Light doses *
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I used Phera-plex with testosterone Propionate just to test it out.

I used Superdrol to Kickstart a cycle of Testosterone, Equipoise, Anavar.

I stacked Promagnon(slightly different than Halodrol) with a low-dosage of Turinabol since it is a derivative of that steroid. Of course, I also used a light dosage of propionate.

These are all still available if you look around.

Thanks for the positive feedback bro! :)
 
hey ross u the man, i would hook uj up with karma but i changed my boiard name and it reset my karma-

u have any links to where I can find superdrol, halodrol, phere-phlex

found a few but most say its not in stock or WAY OVERPRICED or dont have it-
 
GLEN said:
hey ross u the man, i would hook uj up with karma but i changed my boiard name and it reset my karma-

u have any links to where I can find superdrol, halodrol, phere-phlex

found a few but most say its not in stock or WAY OVERPRICED or dont have it-
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That's pretty much the deal--either overpriced or fake.

I always use Google, eventually I find something... never fails:)
 
- Ross - said:
SEX is the single-most important thing in my life. YES, above and beyond just about all else.

When I first decided to use steroids, it was after YEARS of hardcore natural training and TONS of scientific research. The ONLY side-effects that ever really concerned me were "SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION", "GYNO" and bad ACNE. I had WITNESSED it firsthand in many of my friends and colleagues. BUT, there was a CORRELATION...

SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION, in it's severe form, had ONLY occured to my friends and colleagues who had used TRENBOLONE and NANDROLONE. These two HIGHLY PROGESTATIONAL compounds were the MAIN reason I was PETRIFED to use AAS for years! Furthermore, the guys who had GYNO or ACNE had all ABUSED TESTOSTERONE.

Finally, when I made the "leap", I PROMISED myself that I would never use DECA or TREN and I would NEVER ABUSE TESTOSTERONE.

I have gained over 60lbs of PURE, LEAN, UNADULTERATED MUSCLE MASS since then, and all without the help of DECA and TREN and with LOW dosages of testosterone. I have experienced virtually ZERO side-effects.

As for Anadrol, it is also just a nasty compound that produces a lot of unpleasant side-effects and a HORRIBLE appearance overall.

If I could do things all over again, I would do everything exactly the same.
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DUring that time what was your nutrition like during your cycles both off and on. I'm talking macro ratios and if you got more protein from whole foods or shakes.
 
so in this clusterfuck of a multiple page thread there's really no advice given out for people with specific goals in mind? Just a blanket cycle for anyone.
 
krishna said:
You got people stacking orals and running them way too long on a couple of those cycles.
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As I have stated before, 17aa liver toxicity is highly exaggerated, based on the data. But you are correct in that it is always GOOD to be cautious. :)

I was going to end all orals at 8 weeks, and I did, with the exception of Anavar.

I think for the most part anyone that isn't an alcoholic will do fine brotha :chomp:
 
juiceddreadlocks said:
so in this clusterfuck of a multiple page thread there's really no advice given out for people with specific goals in mind? Just a blanket cycle for anyone.
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These are just some of my protocols, just sharing them with the members of EF. The thread was INTENDED to stimulate discussion, so if anyone would like to discuss their personal goals, that is fine and welcomed. :)
 
the the thread is great and shares ideas and is leading into a book- alot of this info may be new to you but this is how we grow and learn...debate and trying new things and being open to new ideas

bump thread
 
These cycles are contradictory to the 10 commandments post. In the advanced bulking cycle #1 you have tren and anadrol in the same cycle. The ten commandment post says, "thou shall not stack two nortestosterone derivatives in the same cycle." Do you advocate it or not? Also in the ten commandment post you state, "Tho shall not run any 17aa steroid for an extended period of time." You don't consider 10 weeks to be an extended period of time?
 
boyer said:
These cycles are contradictory to the 10 commandments post. In the advanced bulking cycle #1 you have tren and anadrol in the same cycle. The ten commandment post says, "thou shall not stack two nortestosterone derivatives in the same cycle." Do you advocate it or not? Also in the ten commandment post you state, "Tho shall not run any 17aa steroid for an extended period of time." You don't consider 10 weeks to be an extended period of time?
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Anadrol is a DHT derivative sir. :)

EXTENDED period of time is OVER 8-10 weeks. There is no cycle where I break ANY of the 10 commandments. :)
 
- Ross - said:
As I have stated before, 17aa liver toxicity is highly exaggerated, based on the data. But you are correct in that it is always GOOD to be cautious. :)

I was going to end all orals at 8 weeks, and I did, with the exception of Anavar.

I think for the most part anyone that isn't an alcoholic will do fine brotha :chomp:
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What do you think about 17aa's while on accutane? I did it for awhile and my eyes got dirty looking. Shit scared me so I quit the dbol.
 
todoveritas said:
True, Anadrol is a Dihydrotestosterone (DHT)-derived compound. But then again, so is WInstrol, Anaver and Primo.
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His point was, in my 10 commandments, I state NEVER to stack TWO 19-NOR derivatives.

He thought ANADROL was a 19-nor derivative, but it is NOT. It is a DHT derivative. :chomp: :chomp:

He thought I broke a commandment...NEVER! :)
 
*I do not use Nandrolone(Deca), Trenbolone(Tren) or Oxymetholone(Anadrol)
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I agree about the anadrol and somewhat about your philosophy of sex and life.

But I have only had one problem with deca and use tren constantly, no problems,


You look great in your picks so what ever you are doing, it seems to work.
 
solidspine said:
I agree about the anadrol and somewhat about your philosophy of sex and life.

But I have only had one problem with deca and use tren constantly, no problems,


You look great in your picks so what ever you are doing, it seems to work.
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Thanks bro :Chef:
 
- Ross - said:
Anadrol is a DHT derivative sir. :)

EXTENDED period of time is OVER 8-10 weeks. There is no cycle where I break ANY of the 10 commandments. :)
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True, but in intermediate bulking cycle #1 dbol 1-6 and turinabol 6-12, your still running a 17aa steroid for 12 weeks. Even though its two different roids your still running 17aa for 12 weeks. You say an extended period of time is 8-10 weeks.
 
boyer said:
True, but in intermediate bulking cycle #1 dbol 1-6 and turinabol 6-12, your still running a 17aa steroid for 12 weeks. Even though its two different roids your still running 17aa for 12 weeks. You say an extended period of time is 8-10 weeks.
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It should say 8-14. 2 week breaking period, but that's just being cautious.
 
- Ross - said:
The Ross Protocols:
Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced Steroid Therapies!​



Beginner Cycles​

Beginner BULKING Cycle #1

Weeks 1-4: Dianabol, 25mgs ED
Weeks 1-8: Testosterone Enanthate, 250mgs
Weeks 8-12: Oral Winstrol, 50mgs ED
*PCT*


Beginner BULKING Cycle #2

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 40mgs ED
Weeks 1-8: Sustanon, 500mgs
Weeks 6-10: Anavar, 50mgs ED
*PCT*


Beginner CUTTING Cycle #1

Weeks 1-8: Primobolan, 300mgs
Weeks 1-8: Testosterone Enanthate, 250mgs
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 50mgs ED
*PCT*

Beginner CUTTING Cycle #2

Weeks 1-8: Primobolan, 300mgs
Weeks 1-8: Testosterone Propionate, 100mgs EOD
Weeks 1-8: Winstrol, 50mgs ED
*PCT*




Intermediate Cycles​

Intermediate BULKING Cycle #1


Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30-40mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Deca, 400mgs
Weeks 1-10: Test E, 500mgs
Weeks 6-12: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Intermediate BULKING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30-40mgs ED
Weeks 1-12: Equipoise, 600mgs
Weeks 1-10: Omnadren, 500mgs
Weeks 8-14: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Intermediate CUTTING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-10: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Masteron, 100mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Intermediate CUTTING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-10: Winstrol, 75mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Masteron, 100mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Primobolan, 400mgs
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Advanced Cycles​

Advanced BULKING Cycle #1


Weeks 1-6: Anadrol, 100mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate, 750mgs
Weeks 1-10: Trenbolone Acetate, 50-75mgs ED
Weeks 1-12: Equipoise, 600mgs
Weeks 8-12: Masteron, 150mgs EOD
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*

Advanced BULKING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-4: Testosterone Suspension, 50-100mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate, 750mgs
Weeks 1-10: Trenbolone Acetate, 50-75mgs ED
Weeks 1-12: Primobolan, 600mgs
Weeks 8-12: Halotestin, 30mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Advanced CUTTING Cycle #1


Weeks 1-8: Winstrol, 100mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Trenbolone Acetate, 50-75mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 80mgs ED
Weeks 8-10: Masteron, 150mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Advanced CUTTING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-10: Masteron, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Trenbolone Acetate, 50-75mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Primobolan, 400mgs
Weeks 6-10: Halotestin, 30mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*





*I do not use Nandrolone(Deca), Trenbolone(Tren) or Oxymetholone(Anadrol)



[R]
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Your intermediate cycles look good and that would be something that I wouldn have in mind regardless. One question...winny for 10 weeks? Masteron for 10 weeks?

Side note - What are your thoughts on incorporating dbol and masteron in the same cycle. Seems like they would work well with one another....no?
 
boston789 said:
Your intermediate cycles look good and that would be something that I wouldn have in mind regardless. One question...winny for 10 weeks? Masteron for 10 weeks?

Side note - What are your thoughts on incorporating dbol and masteron in the same cycle. Seems like they would work well with one another....no?
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Winstrol for 8-10 weeks is fine. Masteron for 8-10 weeks is also OPTIMAL.

Dianabol and Masteron are VERY SYNERGISTIC. I discovered this when I tried running them together for ACTIVE RECOVERY(Pre-PCT)! Man, what a combo! The Dianabol keeps you FULL and PUMPED, and the Masteron keeps you HARD, dry, and vascular as fuckkk. Definitely 2-thumbs UP!
 
- Ross - said:
The Ross Protocols:
Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced Steroid Therapies!​



Beginner Cycles​

Beginner BULKING Cycle #1

Weeks 1-4: Dianabol, 25mgs ED
Weeks 1-8: Testosterone Enanthate, 250mgs
Weeks 8-12: Oral Winstrol, 50mgs ED
*PCT*


Beginner BULKING Cycle #2

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 40mgs ED
Weeks 1-8: Sustanon, 500mgs
Weeks 6-10: Anavar, 50mgs ED
*PCT*


Beginner CUTTING Cycle #1

Weeks 1-8: Primobolan, 300mgs
Weeks 1-8: Testosterone Enanthate, 250mgs
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 50mgs ED
*PCT*

Beginner CUTTING Cycle #2

Weeks 1-8: Primobolan, 300mgs
Weeks 1-8: Testosterone Propionate, 100mgs EOD
Weeks 1-8: Winstrol, 50mgs ED
*PCT*




Intermediate Cycles​

Intermediate BULKING Cycle #1


Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30-40mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Deca, 400mgs
Weeks 1-10: Test E, 500mgs
Weeks 6-12: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Intermediate BULKING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30-40mgs ED
Weeks 1-12: Equipoise, 600mgs
Weeks 1-10: Omnadren, 500mgs
Weeks 8-14: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Intermediate CUTTING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-10: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Masteron, 100mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Intermediate CUTTING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-10: Winstrol, 75mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Masteron, 100mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Primobolan, 400mgs
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Advanced Cycles​

Advanced BULKING Cycle #1


Weeks 1-6: Anadrol, 100mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate, 750mgs
Weeks 1-10: Trenbolone Acetate, 50-75mgs ED
Weeks 1-12: Equipoise, 600mgs
Weeks 8-12: Masteron, 150mgs EOD
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*

Advanced BULKING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-4: Testosterone Suspension, 50-100mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate, 750mgs
Weeks 1-10: Trenbolone Acetate, 50-75mgs ED
Weeks 1-12: Primobolan, 600mgs
Weeks 8-12: Halotestin, 30mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Advanced CUTTING Cycle #1


Weeks 1-8: Winstrol, 100mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Trenbolone Acetate, 50-75mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 80mgs ED
Weeks 8-10: Masteron, 150mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*


Advanced CUTTING Cycle #2


Weeks 1-10: Masteron, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Trenbolone Acetate, 50-75mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Primobolan, 400mgs
Weeks 6-10: Halotestin, 30mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*





*I do not use Nandrolone(Deca), Trenbolone(Tren) or Oxymetholone(Anadrol)



[R]
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Hi,
What do you think of just a dianabol only cycle?
As a begginner cylce, just to put on some bulk, and to see how the body reacts. to AAS.

Week 1 - - 20mg
Week 2 - - 20mg
Week 3 - - 20mg
Week 4 - - 20mg
Week 5 - - 20mg
Week 6 - - 20mg
PCT
Day 1 - 300mg Clomid
Day 2 -11 - 100 mg
Day 12-21 - 50mg

U looked like a experienced dude, thought id ask you.

I am currently 185lbs, 14% b.f 5'11.

Thanks.
 
youngbuck22 said:
Hi,
What do you think of just a dianabol only cycle?
As a begginner cylce, just to put on some bulk, and to see how the body reacts. to AAS.

Week 1 - - 20mg
Week 2 - - 20mg
Week 3 - - 20mg
Week 4 - - 20mg
Week 5 - - 20mg
Week 6 - - 20mg
PCT
Day 1 - 300mg Clomid
Day 2 -11 - 100 mg
Day 12-21 - 50mg

U looked like a experienced dude, thought id ask you.

I am currently 185lbs, 14% b.f 5'11.

Thanks.
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good lord
 
youngbuck22 said:
Hi,
What do you think of just a dianabol only cycle?
As a begginner cylce, just to put on some bulk, and to see how the body reacts. to AAS.

Week 1 - - 20mg
Week 2 - - 20mg
Week 3 - - 20mg
Week 4 - - 20mg
Week 5 - - 20mg
Week 6 - - 20mg
PCT
Day 1 - 300mg Clomid
Day 2 -11 - 100 mg
Day 12-21 - 50mg

U looked like a experienced dude, thought id ask you.

I am currently 185lbs, 14% b.f 5'11.

Thanks.
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lemme guess summer bulker? just follow one of the cycles listed
 
What low doeses of test are you running?


- Ross - said:
SEX is the single-most important thing in my life. YES, above and beyond just about all else.

When I first decided to use steroids, it was after YEARS of hardcore natural training and TONS of scientific research. The ONLY side-effects that ever really concerned me were "SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION", "GYNO" and bad ACNE. I had WITNESSED it firsthand in many of my friends and colleagues. BUT, there was a CORRELATION...

SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION, in it's severe form, had ONLY occured to my friends and colleagues who had used TRENBOLONE and NANDROLONE. These two HIGHLY PROGESTATIONAL compounds were the MAIN reason I was PETRIFED to use AAS for years! Furthermore, the guys who had GYNO or ACNE had all ABUSED TESTOSTERONE.

Finally, when I made the "leap", I PROMISED myself that I would never use DECA or TREN and I would NEVER ABUSE TESTOSTERONE.

I have gained over 60lbs of PURE, LEAN, UNADULTERATED MUSCLE MASS since then, and all without the help of DECA and TREN and with LOW dosages of testosterone. I have experienced virtually ZERO side-effects.

As for Anadrol, it is also just a nasty compound that produces a lot of unpleasant side-effects and a HORRIBLE appearance overall.

If I could do things all over again, I would do everything exactly the same.
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sofakingdel said:
Why don't you want to get SWOLLL
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I cant hate though.. lol My first cycle when I was 18 was a Winny only cycle. I was questioning my sexuality on that cycle because I didn't understand why my cawk wasn't getting hard when my GF would suck me off.

I was violated by winny dick and the worst libido
 
that hurts, my first mistake cycle was deca only, it was great until my gf at the time would get a jaw cramp or a raw vagina from the 3-4 hour sessions due to lack of a PAYOFF
 
tonyroma said:
I cant hate though.. lol My first cycle when I was 18 was a Winny only cycle. I was questioning my sexuality on that cycle because I didn't understand why my cawk wasn't getting hard when my GF would suck me off.

I was violated by winny dick and the worst libido
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lol I think there are a few of us that started in a somewhat similar way, i started with just winny and dbol only, cause i listened to some jack ass at the gym. fortunately he dried up quick as a supplier and i had to start doing research on my own. only then did i realize how bad i could've fucked myself up. after nearly a year of research, source hunting, and needle chasing, i finally got my shit together.
 
- Ross - said:
Winstrol for 8-10 weeks is fine. Masteron for 8-10 weeks is also OPTIMAL.

Dianabol and Masteron are VERY SYNERGISTIC. I discovered this when I tried running them together for ACTIVE RECOVERY(Pre-PCT)! Man, what a combo! The Dianabol keeps you FULL and PUMPED, and the Masteron keeps you HARD, dry, and vascular as fuckkk. Definitely 2-thumbs UP!
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Nice. I kinda figured that. Thanks.
 
sofakingdel said:
i wish i had the money or the resources to try all the shit that some of these people have done.
did you see all of the shit some of these people have done? bananas
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=537424
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Actually, I didn't have the money to do all the stuff I did either. It's doubtful that any moderators on any major steroid board pay much (if anything) for their cycles. I was a reasonably well known moderator on a reasonably well known site (steroid.com), so I paid very little for most of the stuff I used in my heyday of use/abuse.

I basically had access to anything and everything, mostly for free (still do). It kinda became a double edged sword though, because after I got published I thought my name/info/face was too mainstream to keep getting suff off the black market, so I switched to getting a legit 'script and went on HRT. Now, I'm 29, and basically keep my hormones to the level of a 25 year old, and feel great.

tonyroma said:
lol @ Ross, Tony Roberts, and Nelson

those guys are hillarious. I wish my life was based around anabolics, androgenics and vadgina.

fuck I drink to much
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I'm willing to bet I drink more than you. My life isn't based around anabolics, my career is based around them. But if you combine drinking and anabolics, vagina typically follows.
 
Was always very moderate in my anabolic use.

Never a big drinker.

Think vagina is the greatest invention.

That's what I love about women. They all have one! How great is THAT?!
 
Nelson Montana said:
Was always very moderate in my anabolic use.

Never a big drinker.

Think vagina is the greatest invention.

That's what I love about women. They all have one! How great is THAT?!
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I wasn't always moderate in my steroid use. It was abuse for awhile. I used like 4g/week of Test/Deca for a spell...

I was around 225lbs (I'm 5'7"....for anyone who thinks that's not too big, check out what kinds of weights on guys my height are winning NPC shows).

I prefer my use now. I rarely go too high, just do enough to attain my goals, and feel great all the time.

I drink more than a couple nights a week though, but hell...I'm still in my 20's...

I'll leave the amount of vagina I get alone...I don't want anyone getting jealous.

:rolleyes:
 
Anthony Roberts said:
I'm willing to bet I drink more than you. My life isn't based around anabolics, my career is based around them. But if you combine drinking and anabolics, vagina typically follows.
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LOLLOL!! :) :chomp:
 
great post, those cycles are pretty legit, only one cycle you have up there has eq listed in it...I do have to say that when i first started aas my first cycle was a deca only cycle because i was a dumb ass and truly believed deca was the safest way you could go, and i was totally against test...but then as i progressed to my second cycle i was convinced by a fellow wieghtlifter friend of mine to try eq and test stack...I just have to say that the eq made me feel freakin awesome...ever since that cycle i use eq in everything i do...currently i am running 500mg test 10 weeks and 300mg deca 12 weeks and 300mg eq 12 weeks...im currently in week 7 and have never felt this great in my life..i feel like every single fiber in my body is made of steel....im a full time college student physics major and sometimes lately ive been sitting at the library and just thinking in my head WOW cuz i just feel pumped all day long no sides so far and just feeling great all day long, i think some people say deca and eq together is wack but i can say from experience that this cycle is way better than just my test and deca cycle...i was running 500mg test and 400mg deca for 12 weeks...and this cycle just takes the cake for me...so basically im recomending anyone and everyone to stack deca and eq together along with some test and you will probably be lovin life cuz i am...im gonna start my clomid at week 14 and i have this product called estrodex that i got from a buddy of mine who works at a fitness center he told me to try it for pct...so i wil be throwin that in their to for my pct with my clomid...alot of people say to use some hcg but i couldnt get my hands on any so im gonna stick with the clomid and estrodex for now...basically my point is that i love eq, and anyone who says eq and deca dont mix is outta thier minds cuz im living proof....if you got the money i would run weeks 1-10 500-700mg test, weeks 1-12 300-400 mg eq and 300-400mg of deca...could even throw some dbol in for the first 3-4 weeks at 40mg a day to jump start it...but let me tell you once this cycle hits you will be lovin life! dont forget your pct of course, i stick with clomid and will let yous all know how this estrodex works since i will be throwing that in on top of the other...
 
Weeks 1-10: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Masteron, 100mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*

Whats up with running two orals at the same time? And then if you go into pre-pct you're most likely gonna be running another oral along with something else for another 4 weeks? Isnt that a little harsh on the cholesterol and liver?
 
boston789 said:
Weeks 1-10: Turinabol, 50mgs ED
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Propionate, 150mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Masteron, 100mgs EOD
Weeks 1-10: Anavar, 50mgs ED
*Pre-PCT*
*PCT*

Whats up with running two orals at the same time? And then if you go into pre-pct you're most likely gonna be running another oral along with something else for another 4 weeks? Isnt that a little harsh on the cholesterol and liver?
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Turinabol and Anavar are the only two orals I suggest stacking. They have REMARKABLE synergy and at the 50/50 ratio, liver values should be fine, as mine were.

No need to run an oral for Pre-PCT, stick with good ol Primo/Proviron
 
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