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[Ross]

I have a question about Mast, i've never taken it but i've heard that is only useful for aesthetics in people with single digit body fat%. You know theres a lot of chubbies lookin for there summer cutter, will they be waisting there money? Also wut about Mast for people like myself that hover at 10-12% will it make us look a little harder more defined at that bf%

Masteron is a GREAT steriod regardless of bodyfat%.

However, for OPTIMAL results, a lower bodyfat% is necessary.

Having said that, Masteron is still GREAT for a BULKING cycle because it posseses such a DISTINCT ANDROGENIC component. Not only does it increase strength and agression, it also increases FREE Testosterone and decreases estrogen, making your testosterone-ester more effective. Not to mention, your muscles will feel like ROCKS!

So in conclusion, it is BETTER to be at a lower bodyfat, but certainly not necessary.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

That's more like a list of definitions. "Base", "jumpstart" "pct" "pre-pct" "bridge", etc...are all just already used definitions of what people are already doing, and have been doing for a decade. Tapering esters is half a decade old if not a full decade. Short esters at the beginning and end is common, as is kickstarting a cycle. Blasting/Cruising is DoggCrapp's terminology from half a dozen years ago. The PCT you reccomend is just mine.

What I'm saying is why is this any different than what's already around? Like....what's new in all of this, and what's the reasoning?

I'm asking what makes your theories different, I suppose, than what's out there.

 

[Ross]

That's more like a list of definitions. "Base", "jumpstart" "pct" "pre-pct" "bridge", etc...are all just already used definitions of what people are already doing, and have been doing for a decade. Tapering esters is half a decade old if not a full decade. Short esters at the beginning and end is common, as is kickstarting a cycle. Blasting/Cruising is DoggCrapp's terminology from half a dozen years ago. The PCT you reccomend is just mine.

What I'm saying is why is this any different than what's already around? Like....what's new in all of this, and what's the reasoning?

I'm asking what makes your theories different, I suppose, than what's out there.

First of all, I wanted to make the concept of "Pre-PCT" just as commonplace as "PCT". It is my mission to convince the AAS community that EVERY intermediate/advanced cycle needs a Pre-PCT(Active Recovery)

Secondly, I wanted to convince the AAS community that a BASE, a JUMPSTART, and most importantly--a FINISHER, should be included in EVERY cycle for optimal results.

To conclude, These are my protoclos that I recommend. These are the protocols that have gotten ME and my friends and colleagues where they are TODAY. They are now available to all of the members here at EF.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

First of all, I wanted to make the concept of "Pre-PCT" just as commonplace as "PCT". It is my mission to convince the AAS community that EVERY intermediate/advanced cycle needs a Pre-PCT(Active Recovery)

Secondly, I wanted to convince the AAS community that a BASE, a JUMPSTART, and most importantly--a FINISHER, should be included in EVERY cycle for optimal results.

To conclude, These are my protoclos that I recommend. These are the protocols that have gotten ME and my friends and colleagues where they are TODAY. They are now available to all of the members here at EF.

I think that more logic needs to be applied though. For example, in another thread you were recommending B6 to lower progesterone. And it works..but it lowers androgen transcription too. So whoever you know that used it to lower progesterone likely lessened their gains also. And it still got them to where they are today, but in the end, it's far from optimal.

Or, as another example, you're saying (in the prolactin thread) that tren and deca are more powerful progestins than Progesterone itself (they're not). So did that information allow you to get where you are today, physique-wise? Sure. But it's totally incorrect.

On a timeline of how things work, ideas that are wrong might not have an effect on you, or your friends, but as more people try them and they don't work, it's not going to be enough that they worked for the people you know.

If my Benadryl/Clen idea or my GH/T4 ideas didn't work, then I'd be outta a job...but since every step leading up to their printing was researched and original, I knew the idea would work.

IMHO, you need to appropriate more of these ideas and make them your own, rather than saying "This worked for me" because regardless of how much deca and tren your friends use, it still does not stimulate the PgR more than progesterone will, and B6 will lessen androgen levels along with progesterone levels.

Does that make sense?

 

[juniorsamples]

Ross, Do you have any experience with Pro Hormones?

 

[Ross]

I think that more logic needs to be applied though. For example, in another thread you were recommending B6 to lower progesterone. And it works..but it lowers androgen transcription too. So whoever you know that used it to lower progesterone likely lessened their gains also. And it still got them to where they are today, but in the end, it's far from optimal.

Or, as another example, you're saying (in the prolactin thread) that tren and deca are more powerful progestins than Progesterone itself (they're not). So did that information allow you to get where you are today, physique-wise? Sure. But it's totally incorrect.

On a timeline of how things work, ideas that are wrong might not have an effect on you, or your friends, but as more people try them and they don't work, it's not going to be enough that they worked for the people you know.

If my Benadryl/Clen idea or my GH/T4 ideas didn't work, then I'd be outta a job...but since every step leading up to their printing was researched and original, I knew the idea would work.

IMHO, you need to appropriate more of these ideas and make them your own, rather than saying "This worked for me" because regardless of how much deca and tren your friends use, it still does not stimulate the PgR more than progesterone will, and B6 will lessen androgen levels along with progesterone levels.

Does that make sense?

These are just some simple cycle Protocols that I suggest. Nothing ground-breaking really, LOL.

I don't suggest using B-6, I suggest Cabergoline. B-6 get's pissed out, and it also lowers not only Androgen transcrition, but ESTROGEN and PROGESTERONE transcription as well.

Tren and Deca stimulate the Progesterone receptor BIG TIME. Anytime the Progesterone receptor is stimulated, the Pituitary secretes Prolactin. Ergo, Tren and Deca cause HUGE spikes in Prolactin. I was under the impression that Nandrolone stimulated the Progesterone receptor 20% MORE than progesterone itself, but you are indeed correct that it is 20% OF, still extremely progestational.

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[Ross]

Ross, Do you have any experience with Pro Hormones?

Yes, what is your question sir?

 

[juniorsamples]

Yes, what is your question sir?

Which present day Pro Hormones do you believe to be best?
In your opinion, can some oral Pro Hormones be used when running an Oil based cycle?

 

[Ross]

Which present day Pro Hormones do you believe to be best?
In your opinion, can some oral Pro Hormones be used when running an Oil based cycle?

"Prohormones" are steroid PRECURSORS. They are not active steroids until metabolized by the body. These don't exist anymore(Androstenedione, Androstenediol, 19-nortest,)

"Pro-Steroid" is a new term that denotes an ACTIVE STEROID COMPOUND that is legal because it is not yet on any "banned substances lists" because it is so new. (Superdrol, Phera-plex, Halodrol)

My favorite Prohormone was definitely 4-Adiol, and my favorite Pro-steroid is a toss-up between Superdrol and Phera-plex. Superdrol make my physique look AWESOME, and it produced great gains in strength and muscle. Phera-plex BLEW ME THE FUCK UP! But it also produces LOTS of bloat and Acne; moreso than ANYTHING else I have ever used.

 

[GLEN]

ross, what did u do for pct on the pro steroids halodrol, phera, and supedrol and WHERE can you find these legal products at for a good price...are they done making these items?

bro your ideas are right on i have around for a while and I think you are 100% right on decca and fina-

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