The proper use of Sustanon in a cycle

[KA-BAR]

I cant read all that stuff either but something about a blend of test works great for me. Sust 250 every 3 days is AWSOME!

 

[Prizz]

This is a really good thread.... I like threads that challange your entire steroid thinking.... I have always been a big fan of Sust, Omna, and other Test blends..... I usually use extra Prop in the begining of the cycle to get it going, which always works well.... However, you guys bring up good points as to why not to use Blends..... Funny this thread is posted after I just received a 6 month supply of Sus..... Oh well....

rizz

 

[Ulter]

There are a few conflicting and confusing statements between those two articles. I don't believe either of them are 100% accurate. One the things I see for example is #1 says that Isocaproate is let go in a week. And #2 says it's active for 2-3 weeks and deca lasts 2 weeks. They are both talking about these esters as though there is a even blood level from day to day of each ester for a given period. These esters are cleaved by the minute. Isocaproate doesn't "let go" in a week. It's half live is 6 days. It lets go as soon as you blood starts cleaving away the ester. And while deca does "last" two weeks, day 6 is much different than day 14 in terms of blood levels.
So when he says, "If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time" and compares that to the prop in sust he's already making the mistake that the other esters are not being cleaved at all. Just because they are being cleaved at a slower rate doesn't mean they aren't there contributing to the blood levels of test.

http://www.anabolicfitness.net/sust.xls

This is a simple sust spreadsheet you can use to determine your dosing scheme. These things are not 100% accurate because I will cleave esters at a different rate than you will. But it's close enough for arguement sake.

 

[Alex H]

As you can see by the numbers, the quickest way to get the sust levels in your blood stream at a constant maximum level is to shoot ed.
By the middle of week 1, your there, except for a few milligrams.


On a 3cc case, each hash mark equals 25mgs of sust
So to shoot
200mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 3/4 of a ml
150mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 1/2 of a ml
100mgs would be 4 hash marks or a little under 1/2 of a ml


Also to do this you will need a sterile 40 or 50 ml empty vial to switch all the sust amps into.


days.. amount taken.......the amount in the blood stream
1 ..............200mgs ................190mgs
2 ..............200 .......................351
3 ..............200 .......................487
4 ..............150 .......................555
5 ..............150 .......................612
6 ..............100 .......................613
7 ..............100 .......................614
Week 2
8 ..............100 .......................615
9 ..............100 .......................616
10.............100 .......................616
11.............100 .......................617
12.............100 .......................617
13.............100 .......................617
14.............100 .......................618
Week 3
15............100 .......................618
16............100 .......................618
17............100 .......................618
18............100 .......................618
19............100 .......................618
20............100 .......................619
21............100 .......................619
Week 4
22............100 .......................619
23............100 .......................619
24............100 .......................619
25............100 .......................619
26............100 .......................619
27............100 .......................619
28............100 .......................619
Week 5
29...,........100 .......................619
30............100 .......................619
31............100 .......................619
32............100 .......................619
33............100 .......................619
34............100 .......................619
35............100 .......................619
Week 6
36............100 .......................619
37............100 .......................619
38............100 .......................619
39............100 .......................619
40............100 .......................619
41............100 .......................619
42............100 .......................619
Week 7
43............100 .......................619
44............100 .......................619
45............100 .......................619
46............100 .......................619
47............100 .......................619
48............100 .......................619
49............100 .......................619
Week 8
50............100 .......................619
51............100 .......................619
52............100 .......................619
53............100 .......................619
54............100 .......................619
55............100 .......................619
56............100 .......................619


Also you can see by the numbers...
Your shooting 700mgs a week, with the exception of the 1st week,
That your only really doing 619mgs.





Question:

So we all have heard that more even T levels (ED injections) means less side effects, right? Why is that? Can someone briefly expand on this idea? What are some other reasons for keeping our T levels as even as possible? Looking for input here to put a reason behind the technique...

Answer:

Many, guys say that dbol is many times more effective when taken throughout the day, Bill Roberts included.
There seem to be less sides and more gains as opposed to just taking it 1 or 2 times daily....

The only difference between taking it 1 to 2 times a day and throughout the day is the stability in the blood .

The higher injection frequency = stable blood levels = better gains and or less sides is simply an extension of this analogy.

There's no doubt that people gain from injecting sustanon 1x/week... But, at least in theory, it would be better if split up..
The magnitude of the difference in blood levels increases with dose..
So the need to split up the injections increases with the dose and may not be that big of a deal on small cycles.






Here is the normal 3 times a week chart

Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
It never gets stable, just Here is Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
It never gets stable, just develops a pattern after week 7


1 ...250 .......................238
2 ...0 ..........................201
3 ...250 .......................409
4 ...0 ..........................346
5 ...250 .......................532
6 ...0 ..........................451
7 ...0 ..........................384
Week 2
8 ...250 .......................566
9 ...0 ..........................480
10...250 .......................646
11...0 ..........................547
12...250 .......................703
13...0 ..........................595
14...0 ..........................507
Week 3
15...250 .......................672
16...0 ..........................569
17...250 .......................722
18...0 ..........................611
19...250 .......................758
20...0 ..........................642
21...0 ..........................547
Week 4
22...250 .......................706
23...0 ..........................598
24...250 .......................747
25...0 ..........................632
26...250 .......................776
27...0 ..........................657
28...0 ..........................560
Week 5
29...250 .......................717
30...0 ..........................607
31...250 .......................755
32...0 ..........................639
33...250 .......................782
34...0 ..........................662
35...0 ..........................564
Week 6
36...250 .......................721
37...0 ..........................610
38...250 .......................757
39...0 ..........................641
40...250 .......................784
41...0 ..........................663
42...0 ..........................656
Week 7
43...250 .......................722
44...0 ..........................611
45...250 .......................758
46...0 ..........................642
47...250 .......................784
48...0 ..........................664
49...250 .......................566
Week 8
50...250 .......................722
51...0 ..........................611
52...250 .......................758
53...0 ..........................642
54...250 .......................784
55...0 ..........................664
56...0...........................566

 

[Ulter]

ALL esters are going to be more even if you shoot them daily at some point. People pay extra to get sust so they don't have to. Never understood that myself.

 

[Alex H]

Theoritcally more consistant blood levels means lesser sides. Im still not convinced that lesser sides means more gains. Shooting something ed is a pain in the ass (no pun intended). I always do the MWF thing with sust and love it. Anybody want to prove this theory of shooting ed for better gains, please feel free to do so. My last post was from basskillers website. I thought I would post the ed schedule so that members could could see how a sust ed cycle would work. God knows some newb was reading this thinking "hell, sust ed for 12 weeks - Im gonna need 84 amps!"

 

[digimon7068]

lol. i think D.T was saying "if not inj. no more than once a week". i personally don't go into all that scientific B.S. but i run it e.d., to me that is the only way. then eod would probably be second. but no less.

ED? Really? 250 ED? For shit's sake. . .that's 1.75g's per week. That seems like a lot.

 

[Alex H]

ED? Really? 250 ED? For shit's sake. . .that's 1.75g's per week. That seems like a lot.

Damn dude - did you not just read what I posted. Look at the schedule for ed injections of sust - 100 mg every day equals 700 mg week. You would need to pour all of you amps into sterile vial and shoot 100 mg a day. Please don't try to shoot 1,700 mg of anything in a weeks time.

 

[Ulter]

I have, it's fun.

 

[swordfish151]

ED? Really? 250 ED? For shit's sake. . .that's 1.75g's per week. That seems like a lot.

Clearly not for a novice if thats the case...