The older I get, the more green I am getting. I may need to hug a tree.

[rykertest]

I'm a pretty staunch republican, bigtime conservative, and yet over the past year or so, I seem to be getting much more "granola". I still have my morals and ethics (unlike you filthy little liberals roaming from port to port), but am very interested in solar power, wood burning furnaces, tankless water heaters, etc, etc.

Thats one thing the I dont' like about the republican party. It's possible to be conservative in both morals AND with our planet and they seem to be missing that point. It's funny how many guys I know that are really into conservation from a nature standpoint, are very effeciant hunters, care for the woodlands, and what not, and yet won't even make the change to energy efficiant light bulbs. lol

I like buying mother earth news magazine, and am considering building a house with all these options above as well as a garden, some hens (free frigin egg whites) and all that kind of thing. I'm not ready to wear hemp clothes and light up a fatty, but still.

Is this change part of getting older or what?

 

[musclemom]

I'm a pretty staunch republican, bigtime conservative, and yet over the past year or so, I seem to be getting much more "granola". I still have my morals and ethics (unlike you filthy little liberals roaming from port to port), but am very interested in solar power, wood burning furnaces, tankless water heaters, etc, etc.

Thats one thing the I dont' like about the republican party. It's possible to be conservative in both morals AND with our planet and they seem to be missing that point. It's funny how many guys I know that are really into conservation from a nature standpoint, are very effeciant hunters, care for the woodlands, and what not, and yet won't even make the change to energy efficiant light bulbs. lol

I like buying mother earth news magazine, and am considering building a house with all these options above as well as a garden, some hens (free frigin egg whites) and all that kind of thing. I'm not ready to wear hemp clothes and light up a fatty, but still.

Is this change part of getting older or what?

As you mature (which happens with age for some and never happens at all for others), you start to realize what really matters, you get a sense of time, as in the shit we do now affects the future, and you start to really experience empathy, realizing that there aren't just other humans but other entities that share the life of this planet.

The more you appreciate the world and the things in it, the more appreciation you will feel, trust me. The more beauty you see, the more beauty you will see. It's a natural progression.

Check your K message.

 

[KillahBee]

I am still amazed at how so many people just NEED to label themselves into a particular group. Mind boggling

 

[Gambino]

I am still amazed at how so many people just NEED to label themselves into a particular group. Mind boggling

we are the world
we are a special place

 

[rykertest]

As you mature (which happens with age for some and never happens at all for others), you start to realize what really matters, you get a sense of time, as in the shit we do now affects the future, and you start to really experience empathy, realizing that there aren't just other humans but other entities that share the life of this planet.

The more you appreciate the world and the things in it, the more appreciation you will feel, trust me. The more beauty you see, the more beauty you will see. It's a natural progression.

Check your K message.

Hi and thanks for your reply. I try to lead a Christian life (the key word being TRY; and I fail all to often) and I do beleive that the bible teaches us that we need to care for this world that God gave us. It is here for our usage yes, the animals and the ground, but we are charged with it's care and must take care of it and we just are not doing a very good job of that. We are getting better, but I guess if we all just did a little more, it would make a HUGE difference. I have guys I work with that have the attitude of "I can't make a difference" and they alone cannot. I just tell them to try and do a little bit and get their nieghbor to do a little bit. Like light bulbs for example. I recently started changing over all my bulbs in my house to the energy saving kind. I know can run a ceiling fan and 4 lights on it, for the same energy that one of the old bulbs would use before. Thats just one room. The lights aren't cheap so I just buy enough for 1 room each paycheck and have 1 room left. If anything forget the help to the environment, look at the savings on my electric bill. My bill has not gone up even though it's now winter because while my furnace is running more, I cut costs elsewhere and it balanced out. YEAH ME.


You said something very real in your reply above. "As you get older you get a sense of time". Very well said and thats quite true. K to you my dear!

 

[rykertest]

I am still amazed at how so many people just NEED to label themselves into a particular group. Mind boggling

What a beneficial post.

 

[youngguns]

Some people find it hard to make friends, join a label and you're in. Like smoking

 

[KillahBee]

What a beneficial post.

It would be if you chose to approach it in an unbiased manner. It's a great point - I truly do not understand why people must label themselves. Do you label other people?

Not knockin anyone, just truly baffled at why we do this

 

[redguru]

I would consider myself fiscally conservative, and don't believe Global Warming has anything to do with man, but energy conservation and being "green" doesn't conflict with that. I am a hunter and have a great appreciation of nature.

 

[Gambino]

I'm a pretty staunch republican, bigtime conservative, and yet over the past year or so, I seem to be getting much more "granola". I still have my morals and ethics (unlike you filthy little liberals roaming from port to port), but am very interested in solar power, wood burning furnaces, tankless water heaters, etc, etc.

Thats one thing the I dont' like about the republican party. It's possible to be conservative in both morals AND with our planet and they seem to be missing that point. It's funny how many guys I know that are really into conservation from a nature standpoint, are very effeciant hunters, care for the woodlands, and what not, and yet won't even make the change to energy efficiant light bulbs. lol

I like buying mother earth news magazine, and am considering building a house with all these options above as well as a garden, some hens (free frigin egg whites) and all that kind of thing. I'm not ready to wear hemp clothes and light up a fatty, but still.

Is this change part of getting older or what?

i never thought reps "don't care about the environment"
like you said, the hardcore outdoorsmen are typically nature conservative ande practice old time traditions and values such as not wasting kills, not trashing the woods, and throwing back small fish/passing on small deer.
their beef with liberal "conservationisits" is they (they-liberals) want to dictate what everyone can and cannot do in the woods...bascially a minority making the call for the majority because the minority thinkgs it's better informed and more enlightened.
for instance, in michigan their was a dove hunting ballot on the nov ticket.
hunters and conservationsits were in favor and the majority...but the libs made a big deal over this, akin to baby killing, and got the bill defeated.
lol i thought, how biologists and hunting conversationists got beaten by rhetoric
does this make sense?

 

[rykertest]

I would consider myself fiscally conservative, and don't believe Global Warming has anything to do with man, but energy conservation and being "green" doesn't conflict with that. I am a hunter and have a great appreciation of nature.

You need to conserve that avatar. lol man thats not easy to look at.

I really support hunters right to hunt and use ALL or as much of their harvest as they can. I have a hard time with guys that kill for sport. I don't see the point in that. Deer, elk, etc can be almost entirely used and most guys waste so much it's sickening. I have an unpopular view on hunting in that I think using a bow is really more true hunting. Killing a deer or elk from a half mile away with a high powered scoped rifle isn't hunting, it's just lazy. lol You have to really hunt with a bow and have to get within what....50 yards at the most? Thats MUCH harder. I know guys that are obese that go "hunting". They walk 50 yards off the road they parked on, and get on a ridge top and shoot. lol Thats lame.

K to you.

 

[rykertest]

i never thought reps "don't care about the environment"
like you said, the hardcore outdoorsmen are typically nature conservative ande practice old time traditions and values such as not wasting kills, not trashing the woods, and throwing back small fish/passing on small deer.
their beef with liberal "conservationisits" is they (they-liberals) want to dictate what everyone can and cannot do in the woods...bascially a minority making the call for the majority because the minority thinkgs it's better informed and more enlightened.
for instance, in michigan their was a dove hunting ballot on the nov ticket.
hunters and conservationsits were in favor and the majority...but the libs made a big deal over this, akin to baby killing, and got the bill defeated.
lol i thought, how biologists and hunting conversationists got beaten by rhetoric
does this make sense?

I do agree with you that reps do care, but they seem to get overshadowed by the big oil machine to use 1 example. I am not anti oil, but I am getting tired of their approach. I was reading an article recently that talked about how if we used just 9% of the state of Nevada for solar energy, it could provide enough FREE energy to power the ENTIRE MAINLAND USA. It just boggles my mind that we have not done this yet. I'm not saying give up oil, but it's free super clean energy so why on earth not?

I do see a HUGE difference between caring for mother earth and taking it too far. Most people don't realize that hunting is essential to a healthy deer population for example. If they are not hunted, they can starve. Now whats more cruel, using a deer to feed a family or having one suffer and starve to death over a 2-3 week period? This world was given to us (in my view) from god to live on and to use. That power/ownership comes with a big responsibility we need to take more serious.

How someone can akin dove hunting to baby killing is mind boggling. I'd be curious to see how many of those people that are against hunting doves are pro abortion but I don't want to misdirect this thread.

 

[jh1]

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[redguru]

If you really ask, the smallest environmental footprint of any power source is nuclear. We could cut our fossil fuels usage and pollution levels to a third just by converting every coal and oil fired power plant to a fission reactor. Thanks Hollywood for fucking up a good thing. Now France is actually the leader in that technology.

 

[Gambino]

If you really ask, the smallest environmental footprint of any power source is nuclear. We could cut our fossil fuels usage and pollution levels to a third just by converting every coal and oil fired power plant to a fission reactor. Thanks Hollywood for fucking up a good thing. Now France is actually the leader in that technology.

turkey point, florida
thriving croc population in the surrounding area

 

[Gambino]

I do agree with you that reps do care, but they seem to get overshadowed by the big oil machine to use 1 example. I am not anti oil, but I am getting tired of their approach. I was reading an article recently that talked about how if we used just 9% of the state of Nevada for solar energy, it could provide enough FREE energy to power the ENTIRE MAINLAND USA. It just boggles my mind that we have not done this yet. I'm not saying give up oil, but it's free super clean energy so why on earth not?

I do see a HUGE difference between caring for mother earth and taking it too far. Most people don't realize that hunting is essential to a healthy deer population for example. If they are not hunted, they can starve. Now whats more cruel, using a deer to feed a family or having one suffer and starve to death over a 2-3 week period? This world was given to us (in my view) from god to live on and to use. That power/ownership comes with a big responsibility we need to take more serious.

How someone can akin dove hunting to baby killing is mind boggling. I'd be curious to see how many of those people that are against hunting doves are pro abortion but I don't want to misdirect this thread.

solar power ain't gonna build plastics

 

[rykertest]

solar power ain't gonna build plastics

expand on that point if you can. I think I see your point but want to make sure I follow your thinking.

 

[rykertest]

If you really ask, the smallest environmental footprint of any power source is nuclear. We could cut our fossil fuels usage and pollution levels to a third just by converting every coal and oil fired power plant to a fission reactor. Thanks Hollywood for fucking up a good thing. Now France is actually the leader in that technology.

I understand kind of how nulclear power works, but I'll admit I'm not that well versed and all the pros and cons. My initial uninformed view is how dangerous it can be. You know 3 mile island and all that.

 

[Gambino]

expand on that point if you can. I think I see your point but want to make sure I follow your thinking.

alternatives cannot fully replace our need for petro

 

[rykertest]

alternatives cannot fully replace our need for petro

Right I agree and just to clarify, I'm not suggesting we eliminate fossil fuels, they have their place. I just think we need to make a shift. To use fabricated numbers, make fossil fuels a third of our power and solar or wind or whatever as the other 2/3'rds. I want to see a shift to the majority be free and clean fuels and fossils make up the minority.

The more I read, the more I also think this hydrogen crap is a joke.

 

[PICK3]

Will you also be buying a Yaris soon?

 

[rykertest]

Will you also be buying a Yaris soon?

No, I'm one of the few people that actually NEEDS a pickup for work. But other than that I drive a honda.

 

[musclemom]

If you really ask, the smallest environmental footprint of any power source is nuclear. We could cut our fossil fuels usage and pollution levels to a third just by converting every coal and oil fired power plant to a fission reactor. Thanks Hollywood for fucking up a good thing. Now France is actually the leader in that technology.

Zero Point Field energy, that's the big enchalada. And there are some leading edge quantum physicists who think it might be a reality within the next century.

 

[CO B-man]

My company just built and opened the first Green rated shopping center in the United states. It cost us an additional $5,000,000 and we got a platinum rating. Being green costs a lot of green as well.

 

[rykertest]

My company just built and opened the first Green rated shopping center in the United states. It cost us an additional $5,000,000 and we got a platinum rating. Being green costs a lot of green as well.

Yeah and thats it's doom. I imagine the majority of the population would use alternative ways of producing energy if the cost was less. I guess these products are just too new to be affordable to the masses. I would do Solar in a heartbeat if the system was the cost of a new full sized pickup. lol

 

[solidspine]

Gee how old are you,


Musclemom, you know men don’t mature, we get older but we don’t mature.

 

[heatherrae]

I'm a pretty staunch republican, bigtime conservative, and yet over the past year or so, I seem to be getting much more "granola". I still have my morals and ethics (unlike you filthy little liberals roaming from port to port), but am very interested in solar power, wood burning furnaces, tankless water heaters, etc, etc.

Thats one thing the I dont' like about the republican party. It's possible to be conservative in both morals AND with our planet and they seem to be missing that point. It's funny how many guys I know that are really into conservation from a nature standpoint, are very effeciant hunters, care for the woodlands, and what not, and yet won't even make the change to energy efficiant light bulbs. lol

I like buying mother earth news magazine, and am considering building a house with all these options above as well as a garden, some hens (free frigin egg whites) and all that kind of thing. I'm not ready to wear hemp clothes and light up a fatty, but still.

Is this change part of getting older or what?

You are just evolving and becoming more aware as you live. That is a great thing.

I object to the immoral liberal comments, though. That really isn't what liberalism is all about...lol. You are an in-the-closet liberal, yourself...lol.

 

[rykertest]

You are just evolving and becoming more aware as you live. That is a great thing.

I object to the immoral liberal comments, though. That really isn't what liberalism is all about...lol. You are an in-the-closet liberal, yourself...lol.

I ought to bomb the crap out of you for calling me a liberal. Thats as low as you can get other than being called pick3. lol

I was kind of encompassing the liberls into the tree hugging, homo loving, vegeterian, pro abortion types. You know...liberals.

 

[heatherrae]

I ought to bomb the crap out of you for calling me a liberal. Thats as low as you can get other than being called pick3. lol

I was kind of encompassing the liberls into the tree hugging, homo loving, vegeterian, pro abortion types. You know...liberals.

It isn't immoral to love your fellow man...lol.

 

[heatherrae]

Zero Point Field energy, that's the big enchalada. And there are some leading edge quantum physicists who think it might be a reality within the next century.

I haven't heard about zero point field energy. ???

 

[PICK3]

I ought to bomb the crap out of you for calling me a liberal. Thats as low as you can get other than being called pick3.

what the ...

 

[Spartacus]

I'm bumping this so I can read it later

 

[redguru]

I haven't heard about zero point field energy. ???

It's explained in-depth in "The Incredibles".

 

[musclemom]

I haven't heard about zero point field energy. ???

Theoretical quantum physics. Read "The Field" by Lynne McTaggart, gives you a good feel for it. I don't understand the stuff well enough to explain it, but I can get the "flavor" of it, if you know what I mean. Has to do with sort of utilizing/harnessing the energy "between molecules" (of course, considering there is no matter, and molecules are filled with nothing ...)

 

[rykertest]

It isn't immoral to love your fellow man...lol.

I agree, it's the sticking your weiner in his butt that I as talking about.