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Currently there are 19 dead (I never include the bomber along with his victims) and over 40 wounded. Many are children. The bus was packed with students. That's precisely why it was targeted. The goal of these subhuman monsters is primarily to kill Jews. The Jews of choice are women and children.

Just what exactly is going on here? That's easy. We are all witnessing an attempt by the Arab world governments in general, and the Palestinian Authority in particular, to finish the job that Hitler started. Six million is not enough for these New Nazis; they want the rest to disappear as well.

Let's suppose for a moment that instead of 70 homicide bombings there had been 70 instances of mass kidnappings. For example, instead of seeking out civilian-filled places to blow up, what if the terrorists simply went to these places and forced dozens of women and children into several vehicles and took them away into the West Bank or the Gaza Strip?

Let's suppose that once there, the hostages were hustled into small makeshift gas chambers that were strategically located throughout the civilian populations, similar to the way the bomb factories are distributed there.

Let's suppose that instead of being blown up, these Israeli captives were gassed to death in those small gas chambers. Hundreds of them in 70 different incidents over the course of 21 months. Would we then call these terrorists and those that support them what they really are? Would we hesitate for a moment to call them Nazis?

So what's the difference between gassing these innocent Jews and blowing them up?

The answer is that there is no difference.

The Arab world governments and specifically the Palestinian Authority are raising and supporting the new wave of Nazis. They are out to kill the Jews, and they believe that they will go to heaven for it.

The father of the Nazi who blew up the bus today in Jerusalem told Reuters that he was "very happy that my son was the bomber."

How about the words of this proud mom. Her name is Naima al Obeid. Her 23-year-old son, Mahmoud, was shot dead after killing two Israeli soldiers near the Gaza settlement of Dujit last Saturday. Before he left to go Jew hunting, his mommy made a video with him in which she told him, "G-d willing, you will succeed. May every bullet hit its target, and may G-d give you martyrdom. This is the best day of my life."

Sick, you say? Try this. When she was asked about the killing of Israeli women and children, Mama Nazi replied, "The women and children are also Jews. And I want to tell Jewish mothers: Take your children and run from here because you will never be safe. We believe our sons go to heaven when they are martyred and when your sons die, they go to hell."

There are nine more little Nazis-in-waiting at home with mama.

And then there's Mariam Farhat. Her Nazi son Mohammed broke into a study hall at a nearby Jewish settlement in Gaza back in March. He used grenades and automatic rifles instead of gas, and he killed five Israeli students and wounded 23 before he could be stopped.

Here's what his Nazi mama had to say to the camera: "When I see all the Jews in Palestine killed, that will be enough for me. I wish he will kill as many of them as he can, so they will be scared."

It's really no wonder that these people think this way. Just read, look at or listen to the state-run Arab media and you get a handbook on how to create today's New Nazi.

Saudi TV features a little girl being asked by the interviewer about the Jews. "They are monkeys and apes," she says.

Another Saudi hit shows a man claiming to be a psychiatrist telling the interviewer about the thrill of blowing yourself up. "Counting down – 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 – and when he gets to 1 and pushes the button, that's the height of euphoria."

Saudi newspapers tell the Arab world that Jews use human blood to make pastries.

Palestinian Authority TV isn't any better. In a scene dated Dec.14, 1994, a young Palestinian man is shown repeatedly stabbing a Jewish man in a car stopped in the West Bank

Palestinian TV broadcasts a sermon given at a mosque. "They are all liars. They must all be massacred. They must all be killed. Have no pity for them. Wherever they are, wherever you meet them … kill the Jews!"

Still another sermon on PA TV, as a young child is shown listening intently: "Bless those who put the belt around his waist or his sons and enter deeply in the Jewish community and say Allah is great. As the building collapsed on the heads of the Jews ..."

Then there's the Palestinian Authority TV version of our own "Sesame Street." Here young children are shown getting up in front of other youngsters and performing: "Each and every part of your soul. I have drenched with all my blood, and we shall march as warriors ..."

Another child takes over: "… When I wander into the entrance of Jerusalem, I turn into a suicide warrior, I turn into a suicide warrior, in battle dress, in battle dress, in battle dress."

The child then says, "Thank you," and the teacher shouts, "Bravo! Bravo!" as the students applaud wildly.

Could Hitler have done it any better?
 
of course similar arguements could be made of israel's past deeds, footage from shabra and shatila shows troops leading men into afootball stadium, and not all of them being led out, not to mention sharons apparent 'deafness; at his soldiers reports that the farange were killing a whole bunch of children and women and men and stuff


i have come to the ineveitable conclusion that moderates on wither sides will have their voices drowned out by the extremists on both sides who invariably have the guns. any move for peace will be met by terrorism by the palestinians and strong arm measures by the israeli;s as a result only furthering the palestians claims, and only furthering israeli opinions of them




israel claims it knows the identities of the next batch of suicide bombers, and is going to get em. i think its potetnially justified in that action. am almost 99% sure i will end up disagreeing with the way they go about it.
 
dunno about nuking 'em all but i dont see any other solution but to have one side wiped out completely. Any peacekeeping efforts will be temporaly at best. Personally i would like to see jews as a winning side.
 
Don't want to offend anyone but it seems the whole Muslim culture is becoming barbaric. It is led by the blood thirsty who kill in the name of....Allah??? WTF!!

All you hear is that these "Islamist" do not represent Muslims....

BUT I DON'T SEE ANY MUSLIMS PROTESTING AGAINST THESE ANIMALS. But I do see them dancing and celebrating when more Israeli women and children are murdered while they are going to work.

In fact two weeks ago the highest ranking cleric in Mecca(basically the Pope of Islam) was calling Jews pigs over the State own TV station in Saudi Arabia (our Ally??)

The shit is going to hit the fan...because death is all these people know. They will either kill or be killed.

Imagine if these guys had nukes....they would have used them already.
 
The only democracy in the Middle east is Israel. The only country in the Middle East where Arabs or Muslims can vote for their leader is Israel.

There is no true negotiation with a non-elected government, since it doesn;t represent the will of its people.
 
why do we then help out the saudi's? for oil.......but thats not really upholding democracy. same with iran, they are almost a democracy


arafat is 'supposed' to be a democrtically elected leader, but its doubtful that electiion was fair. most likely they would all elect the head of hamas as their leader, arafat hasnt done shit for them lately (being under house arrest and all)
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
The only democracy in the Middle east is Israel. The only country in the Middle East where Arabs or Muslims can vote for their leader is Israel.

There is no true negotiation with a non-elected government, since it doesn;t represent the will of its people.

then stop dealing with Koweit, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Quatar.......
 
Re: Re: poink, are you jewish?

p0ink said:


nope, im scottish, but i am in full support of everything israel has done.

every single action? are you sure?
 
Funny how nobody ever mentions the fact how Israel seized palastinian land (Gaza, West Bank) in 1967. Oh...now they are seizing more..don't forget. Imagine foreign country occupying a part of Texas...we would slaughter them without blinking .


So stop being brainwashed by Israeli propaganda....both sides are to blame for the fucking mess.
 
hooch said:
Funny how nobody ever mentions the fact how Israel seized palastinian land (Gaza, West Bank) in 1967. Oh...now they are seizing more..don't forget. Imagine foreign country occupying a part of Texas...we would slaughter them without blinking .


So stop being brainwashed by Israeli propaganda....both sides are to blame for the fucking mess.

This is the funny thing...you believe the palestinian propaganda.

THE WEST BANK WAS NOT PALESTINIAN LAND....IT WAS JORDANIAN LAND WHICH WAS TAKEN IN A WAR!!! Jordan never gave the Palestinians their own land...but now expect Israel to.

I believe the Palestinians should be given their own land...BUT you can NOT reward terrorism.
 
TRAITOR said:


Fuckin' A. Waste all those middle east hooknosed sand niggers!

Which is no different from the Genocide they are practicing. Wiping them out is a nazi action in itself, a bit hypocritical IMO.
 
hooch said:
Funny how nobody ever mentions the fact how Israel seized palastinian land (Gaza, West Bank) in 1967.

The seizing of that land is "mentioned" constantly! Are you aware of the circumstances under which it was seized? Israel was attacked without provocation by countries whose objective was to exterminate the Jewish state. Israel successfully repelled the attacks and fought the enemy back into their own territory. They rightfully and wisely occupied the territory adjacent to Israel in self-defense until the attackers recognized Israel's right to exist and dropped their objective of eliminating Israel. To this day they have not.
 
ttlpkg said:


The seizing of that land is "mentioned" constantly! Are you aware of the circumstances under which it was seized? Israel was attacked without provocation by countries whose objective was to exterminate the Jewish state. Israel successfully repelled the attacks and fought the enemy back into their own territory. They rightfully and wisely occupied the territory adjacent to Israel in self-defense until the attackers recognized Israel's right to exist and dropped their objective of eliminating Israel. To this day they have not.


I thought they attacked Israel because the U.N. gave Israel their land, and they took it as an affront (similiar to the U.N. giving texas to mexico). And what about the fact that Israelis were terrorists 20 years before the palestinians? i am new to this whole issue of israel/palestine.
 
strong island said:


I believe the Palestinians should be given their own land...BUT you can NOT reward terrorism.


I'm sure Menachem Begin would disagree with you over that. Or the contras, or the french resistance in WW2, etc. etc.

do i strike anyone as a knee jerk liberal? i worry about that. I'm just looking for all sides of an issue, not just the side that makes group X out to look good.
 
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nordstrom said:

I thought they attacked Israel because the U.N. gave Israel their land, and they took it as an affront (similiar to the U.N. giving texas to mexico). And what about the fact that Israelis were terrorists 20 years before the palestinians? i am new to this whole issue of israel/palestine.

Well, Palestine, which was formerly a territory of the Ottoman Empire, was under the control of the UK after WWI and was designated as a Jewish State. There were proposals to partition the land to let the Arabs who were living there, who call themselves Palestinians now, have a state too, but the Jordanians and Syrians gobbled it all up.

I'm not sure what you're referring to about Israeli terrorists 20 yrs before the Arabs.

http://srd.yahoo.com/goo/Ottoman+Pa...*http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html
 
ttlpkg said:




I'm not sure what you're referring to about Israeli terrorists 20 yrs before the Arabs.

israeli's bombed british targets over there in an effort to speed up the full handover/get the brits out.
 
danielson said:


israeli's bombed british targets over there in an effort to speed up the full handover/get the brits out.

Oh that, sounds kinda like what we did here in the states leading up to the revolutionary war. It apparently worked. I thought he meant against Arabs.
 
well i;ve heard and read about arabs being burnt out of their homes etc in an effort to get em off their land (arabs), and the brits doing little to stop em once they had left.but this is annecdotal at best and i doubt i could find a source on the net, other might be able to
 
heres what i want damn it!!!

i want the heebs to wipe those ragheads of the face of the earth (remember those dirty shits dancing in the streets on the 11th)...then i want the US to cut off all funding of israel because there is no way in hell they should receive our money when we have hundreds of problems domestically...fuck em both..


ttlpkg-i just read about W running that race, thats pretty impressive if you ask me...i know i cant run that fast..hehehe
 
strong island said:


:FRlol:

Feel free to disprove my arguments.
You can't reward terrorism, unless we benefit from it that is. Menachin Begin was a terrorist, so were the contras, so were the Mujahideen, so were the KLA, so are some cubans living in miami. How are these groups different than the palestinians?
 
nordstrom said:

You can't reward terrorism, unless we benefit from it that is. Menachin Begin was a terrorist, so were the contras, so were the Mujahideen, so were the KLA, so are some cubans living in miami. How are these groups different than the palestinians?

Caged WM: Yes, I like the fact that W runs

Nordstrom:
I make a distinction this way: if the group attacks innocent civilians targets to make their point, ala the Palestinians, they are terrorists. The Israeli women and children killed are not victims of a cross fire, or collateral damage, they are the INTENDED victims.

I am also not impressed that the homicide bombers are young people who are convinced to do this, while their encouraging parents receive $$$ from Sadam Hussein.
 
danielson said:


israeli's bombed british targets over there in an effort to speed up the full handover/get the brits out.

and the Brits were only too happy to accept this in order to accelerate the pace and get the Jews out of England after the war.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


and the Brits were only too happy to accept this in order to accelerate the pace and get the Jews out of England after the war.

i wouldnt put anything past the british government. anything :)
 
seeing as how i am an american whose two family lineages happen to be both "heeb" AND "sand nigger" (as some eloquent members of EF have termed the jews and arabs), i often wonder which group i should empathize with. the answer is pretty simple... nothing justifies the targeting of innocent women and children.
 
StoneColdGold said:
seeing as how i am an american whose two family lineages happen to be both "heeb" AND "sand nigger" (as some eloquent members of EF have termed the jews and arabs), i often wonder which group i should empathize with. the answer is pretty simple... nothing justifies the targeting of innocent women and children.

so which side do you side with?

arabs target women and kids ok.......


but jews have killed more people, or at least recent stats showed when they moved their troops into jenin etc. they do kill kids too, even if not always on purpose
 
nordstrom said:



:FRlol:

Feel free to disprove my arguments.
You can't reward terrorism, unless we benefit from it that is. Menachin Begin was a terrorist, so were the contras, so were the Mujahideen, so were the KLA, so are some cubans living in miami. How are these groups different than the palestinians?
:confused: WTF? are you kidding me? This is like shooting fish in a barrel.

The difference is they don't target a specific group of women and children to murder because of their religion
 
thebabydoc said:
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The difference is they don't target a specific group of women and children to murder because of their religion [/B]

this is true
 
danielson said:


so which side do you side with?

arabs target women and kids ok.......


but jews have killed more people, or at least recent stats showed when they moved their troops into jenin etc. they do kill kids too, even if not always on purpose
How ignorant can you be and how much false propaganda can you swallow before you're full of this shit?

The Israeli's DO NOT TARGET "kids" ; the Palestinians don't quite abide by those rules. They could target Israeli troops, tanks, etc... but they are TERRORISTS and cowards, not "freedom fighters".
 
Dson:
no personal insult intended; I was describing the quality of the Propaganda coming from pro-Arab (or more accurately, anti-semitic) sources.
 
i agree on the palestinan terrorist being scum attacking kids etc.



but i think i badly phrased what i typed. the israeli's dont target children......but they do end up invarably killing them. a tank fred on a bunch of people recently and killed some kids. israel merely said it targeted incorrectly, and didnt apologise (in the past they had).

so both sides do end up killing children. and even if israel isnt targeting them specifically, they are dying
 
there is a huge difference between accidentally killing a few kids, then training people with the intent to go blow them up with nail bombs.
 
You need to remember that the children killed as collateral damage by Israeli troops have virtually always been afforded more than ample time and warning to not be in the line of fire yet they chose to remain there. Yet another way to become a "martyr".
 
thebabydoc said:
Dson:
no personal insult intended; I was describing the quality of the Propaganda coming from pro-Arab (or more accurately, anti-semitic) sources.

none taken :)

which news sources do you consider anti-semetic? i cant think of any off hand that are mainstream.....
 
poink- i realise there is.......none the less they are dying, and for every 100 cases where children were killed accidentally,how much could have been done to prevent it

babydoc- again, i do agree with you on that (i.e. terrorists blow up a school bus etc), but it doesnt always happen that way in terms of the warning. if your house gets shelled, what can you do if you;ve been told to stay inside? where do u evacuate to? they have no bunkers, the streets may be deadly to walk on.....
 
danielson said:


so which side do you side with?

arabs target women and kids ok.......


but jews have killed more people, or at least recent stats showed when they moved their troops into jenin etc. they do kill kids too, even if not always on purpose

my empathy lies with the jews, mainly because i feel the arabs' zealous religious ideologies are light-years away from "the way things are" (by which i mean my views on universal reality as expressed through theology, philosophy of religion, and metaphysics).

these arab extremists are a people who seek death, for themselves and others. they believe they will be rewarded in the afterlife for their nefarious brand of "holiness" by being surrounded by a plethora of willing virgins. the are religious exlusivists in the extreme. they are the antithesis of tolerance, a concept which the human race must increasingly embrace, or suffere the likely consequence of total annihilation.

i understand the hands of the jews are not totally clean in this. i mean, the jews lost posession of modern-day Israel THOUSANDS of years ago during the diaspora. it was only very recently they decided they wanted it back. and yes, they took it by force, displacing those who were already there. sounds a bit like something my own beloved countrymen did just a few hundred years ago to an indigenous people. i can't really make a conclusive commentary on this. part of me believes this country was born via one of the greatest cultural tragedies of all time in the destruction of the native american population. the other part of me thinks change is the only constant in this life, and you either jump on the wagon or get run over.

in my eyes, the bottom line is this: the jews are a more tolerant, socially aware, and spiritually mature people than are the palestinians. from a social evolution point of view, the jews are more justified in pushing out the palestinians than the early americans were in overwhelming the indians.
 
StoneColdGold said:

in my eyes, the bottom line is this: the jews are a more tolerant, socially aware, and spiritually mature people than are the palestinians. from a social evolution point of view, the jews are more justified in pushing out the palestinians than the early americans were in overwhelming the indians.

That is an honest, frank assesment! Can you imagine if our president said this, and therefore was going to put America's military and financial backing behind Israel to finally defeat the Palestinians and put an end to this crisis?
 
Not only do the Palestinian Terrorists kill their own children....THEY ARE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING PALESTINIAN CHILDREN.

Unfortunately innocent Palestinians are killed because the Terrorists hide amongst them.

Hamas, Jihad and other Terrorist organizations always put themselves right in the middle of heavily populated areas...knowing this will result in the deaths of innocents.

Those fucking animals TARGET discos, weddings, restaurants, buses etc etc.

THEY ARE THE LOWEST FORM OF LIFE ON THE PLANET AND SHOULD BE ELIMINATED QUICKLY AND WITHOUT HESITATION.
 
Your the one brainwashed by these blood thirsty pieces of shit. Someone made an excellant post a few months ago about the history of the whole arab/jew conflict. In 1967 the Arabs came in to attack the Jews and got their asses beat by the bad ass isreali army. To set an example for the rest of the Arab world that wants them dead, they not only pulvarized the attackers but took their land. Im sure if Mexico went crazy and tried to attack us we would first kill them all and then take their land.

hooch said:
Funny how nobody ever mentions the fact how Israel seized palastinian land (Gaza, West Bank) in 1967. Oh...now they are seizing more..don't forget. Imagine foreign country occupying a part of Texas...we would slaughter them without blinking .


So stop being brainwashed by Israeli propaganda....both sides are to blame for the fucking mess.

These people hate anything that is a democracy. Now they want to start attacking us.
 
StoneColdGold said:


my empathy lies with the jews, mainly because i feel the arabs' zealous religious ideologies are light-years away from "the way things are" (by which i mean my views on universal reality as expressed through theology, philosophy of religion, and metaphysics).

these arab extremists are a people who seek death, for themselves and others. they believe they will be rewarded in the afterlife for their nefarious brand of "holiness" by being surrounded by a plethora of willing virgins. the are religious exlusivists in the extreme. they are the antithesis of tolerance, a concept which the human race must increasingly embrace, or suffere the likely consequence of total annihilation.

i understand the hands of the jews are not totally clean in this. i mean, the jews lost posession of modern-day Israel THOUSANDS of years ago during the diaspora. it was only very recently they decided they wanted it back. and yes, they took it by force, displacing those who were already there. sounds a bit like something my own beloved countrymen did just a few hundred years ago to an indigenous people. i can't really make a conclusive commentary on this. part of me believes this country was born via one of the greatest cultural tragedies of all time in the destruction of the native american population. the other part of me thinks change is the only constant in this life, and you either jump on the wagon or get run over.

in my eyes, the bottom line is this: the jews are a more tolerant, socially aware, and spiritually mature people than are the palestinians. from a social evolution point of view, the jews are more justified in pushing out the palestinians than the early americans were in overwhelming the indians.

I can relate. I am starting to support Israel too because they are a scientifically evolved democracy with human rights that are better than anything in Iraq or Iran. A democratic, scientifically evolved society is better than an authoritarian backwards cult.

However, i just don't buy the whole 'palestinians are bad, israelis are good' argument. If it were that simple it wouldn't even be an issue, there are always more than 1 side to a story. No one mentions that Menachim Begin, prime minister of israel, was also a terrorist in the 1930's & 1940's, and that his terrorist organization helped kill women & children. However everyone is quick to point out how the palestinians terrorize schoolbuses & discoteques.

http://www.sana.org/english/reports/New Reports/israeli_terrorism2.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/ia/palestinefoever/palterror.html

http://www.geocities.com/ahlulbayt14/fact5.html
 
nordstrom said:

I'm sorry, but those links are outrageously biased and full of propaganda. The first link is from www.sana.org - that's a state-controlled Syrian site - Syria is an authoritarian, backward state. Everything that you see on that website has zero credibility.

The other two links are just as bad. If you want good info, you'd have to go to your local public or university library or find some reputable scholarly journal online.
 
I'm sure the sources are biased, anytime there is an issue there don't tend to be many independent sources of information.

However, i don't see how that makes the arguments false. No one here condemns Menachim Begin and his terrorist outfit Irgun, but everyone condemns Yassir Arafat and the PLO.
 
Israeli scientists have armed Shin Beth agents with radioactive aerosol sprays. When PLO and other dissidents are arrested and taken to an Israeli police station or detention centre, they are strip-searched. Their clothes are then given a small squirt from an aerosol which contains a radioactive chemical.

The chemical is invisible, odourless and leaves an undetectable residue on the clothes. But a small squirt of the substance enables Israeli agents and Defence Force "snatch squads" to detect a person previously arrested. This is done by detector vans equipped with ultra-sophisticated Geiger counter that pinpoints a person who has been previously sprayed.

The vans are identical to those already used by IDF patrols. The aerosol and detector equipment was developed at Israel's top-secret institute for Biological Research situated in the Tel Aviv suburb of New Ziona. Its laboratories are partly staffed with East German and Russian Jewish scientists who had worked for both their countries' intelligence. Most of its twelve acres of laboratories are underground and protected by state-of-the-art security systems.

Details about the aerosol and other work carried on at the Biological Institute were revealed last week by CIA Director George Tenet in a briefing to the incoming Bush transition team. Some of its members were described as being "absolutely horrified" by what they had been told. It is likely that when he assumed office, Secretary of State Colin Powell will raise the matter with the Barak government.

Last week the Institute allowed a rare visitor from the outside - Ariel Sharon, almost certain to be Israel's next prime minister, according to the pollsters.

The contents of the sprays is made from radioactive material known as Scandium 64. This is highly lethal over a lengthy period as it permeates clothing with gamma radiation. Former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky who has previously revealed much about the activities at the Institute has confirmed that lethal tests on Arab prisoners have been conducted there.

The decision to use the aerosols was approved by Avraham Dichter, the head of Shin Beth. Dichter is a former commando leader who served in the army under Ehud Barak. The two men met in Tel Aviv on December 28. At the meeting Dichter produced documents which claimed to show that the PLO have trained some 7,000 youngsters in basic military training - and that the PLO have obtained Stinger missiles and Sam-16 anti-aircraft missiles. Mossad sources say that the weapons were smuggled in from Iran.

The Atomic Energy Commission in Vienna, Austria, confirmed that one of the side-effects of Scandium 64 is to create impotency in a male and severely damage the fallopian tubes of a woman.

The doses used for aerosol spraying are believed to be in the region of 150 millisierverts per spraying. According to the Atomic Energy Commission scale for the weekly regulation maximum exposure dose - this is 149 times higher than is internationally accepted.


Senior intelligence sources in Tel Aviv have told me that during his visit to the Biological Institute, Sharon was fully briefed on the use of the aerosol - and is reported to have given full support for its use.
 
On July 3, after an Israeli from the settlement of Susiya in the southern West Bank was found murdered, and without any suspects being identified or arrested, the Israeli army unleashed an unprecedented campaign of revenge and ethnic cleansing against the entire civilian Palestinian population of the area. (The same day the Israeli government authorized a wholescale campaign of assassinations as well.) As this is being written (Thursday evening, the 5th of July), we are in the third day of this campaign.

The first 24 hours witnessed the demolition of at least five Palestinian homes in the city of Yata, which was completely sealed off to the outside world, leaving the army to act with impunity towards the civilian inhabitants. Reports are that up to a thousand residents were forced from their homes before demolishing dozens of them. The army also attacked residents in the entire rural area between Yata and the area around Jibna where the Palestinian "cave-dwellers" live. Additional houses were demolished, wells and reservoirs destroyed and the agricultural infrastructure severely damaged. Even the Channel 1 Israel news spoke of the army as acting out of "revenge." If this is so, the Israeli army, which once prided itself as a "defense" force whose moral code included "purity of arms," has been reduced during the repression of the past months into a mere gang.

The fact that no outside observers were allowed into the entire West Bank south of Hebron during this 24-hour period, including journalist and human rights observers, and even the Red Cross was prevented from providing humanitarian aid to the hundreds of families affected, raises fears about acts of violence and intimidation committed with absolute impunity by an army against a defenseless civilian population (most of the area affected is in Israeli-controlled Area C). Not only does international law forbid such actions, but the Fourth Geneva Convention requires Israel as an occupying power to protect the civilian population under its rule and provide for its welfare.

Among the families whose dwellings were destroyed was Rasmiya Nawaja Jamal, a woman in her 60s whose husband Mohammad was murdered by settlers from Susiya ten years ago (no one was ever tried). Rasmiya, who ekes out a living as a shepherd, managed to raise 12 children on her own, the family living in an underground cave. Since her compound is situated close to Susiya, the family has endured harassment for many years, including settlers riding horses through her living area. Two years ago the Israeli Civil Administration demolished the cave, claiming that the Nawaja family had no permit to live there.

Rasmiya then constructed an ingenious compound over her demolished cave, made of skeletons of automobiles. She and her smaller children lived in the shell of a mini-van, her son and his family lived in the cab of a truck, and a pick-up truck was converted into a stable. Rasmiya used the fenders to fence off her gardens, and even constructed a cooking area of solar panels. On Tuesday morning the army returned and destroyed Rasmiya's compound, as well as those of her neighbors, making more than 50 people homeless. They also uprooted more than 1000 olive trees belonging to Rasmiya and her neighbors, and destroyed all their cisterns.

This morning we received word that Civil Administration bulldozers were destroying homes, farming structures and cisterns in the area of Jibna. This is where, two years ago, the Israeli army tried to force the area's 3000 farming families out of their cave dwellings where they had lived for generations. In October, 1999, the Israeli army declared their lands -- some 100,000 dunams of land (25,000 acres) south of Hebron -- as a "closed military area." (In fact, this was only one of 16 orders closing vast tracts of land throughout the West Bank at that time.) The land, though semi-arid and rural, is home to an entire society of Palestinian farmers who had farmed and grazed that area for centuries, developing a unique culture around the many caves that dotted the mountainous landscape. The expulsion order affected, at that time, around 42 families, consisting of around 730 people (among them some 500 children), were violently and brutally driven from their homes.

They army claimed they needed the land for a "firing zone," but in fact it is coveted because it connects the Israeli city of Arad with the settlements of the area and creates a corridor from Israel to Kiryat Arba and Hebron. At that time ICAHD and other Israeli human rights organizations initiated an appeal to the Supreme Court, which ruled in March of 2000 that the families would be allowed to stay in their homes until the issue of their residence was resolved. Since that time, the Civil Administration has admitted it cannot find fault with the families' claims to the land. Today's action, then, was intended to by-pass the Supreme Court by simply demolishing the houses under the guise of "security." One of the caves, belonging to the family of Musa Jabarin, was demolished today, together with four other houses, a number of cisterns and many farming structures essential for the economic survival of the community. Clothes, furniture, dead chickens, pieces of pens and chicken coops lie scattered over the ground. (Pictures will be posted on the AIC website: www.alternativenews.org). Many other families were ordered to remove their belongings and preparations were made to demolish their homes as well. But an appeal to the Attorney General's Office has resulted in the Civil Administration being ordered to desist -- at least for the time being.

It should be noted that according to Amnesty International Israel has demolished at least 7000 Palestinian homes since 1967, to which more than 500 have to added since the second Intifada began.

At a time when Sharon is being feted by the Chancellor of Germany and the President of France, Israel's occupation and the actions it engenders stands in stark violation of international law. Collective punishment is explicitly forbidden in Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, and the demolition of houses constitutes a grave violation of Article 53. The increasing use of international courts to enforce accountability to human rights covenants (upon which Israel itself has signed) should put the Israeli government and its agents on notice that they may find themselves one day being tried for war and civil crimes. Besides the simple injustice and moral indefensibility of such actions.

Contact your political representatives, write in your local newspapers, let your voice be hear in your community against this increasingly brutal Occupation which is destroying Palestinian and Israeli societies alike.
 
nordstrom said:
I'm sure the sources are biased, anytime there is an issue there don't tend to be many independent sources of information.

They're not biased, they're just full of propaganda. There's a huge difference between subjective bias and state-sponsored propaganda emanating from some piece of shit dictatorship. Almost all academic works have a bias, but they're usually aware of their subjectivity and even say so.

If you go to any university library, you can find a tonne of works on the Israeli-Arab conflict that are not partisan, yet not full of archaic, racist propaganda. The stuff on the sana website is complete bullshit.

nordstrom said:
However, i don't see how that makes the arguments false. No one here condemns Menachim Begin and his terrorist outfit Irgun, but everyone condemns Yassir Arafat and the PLO.

Describing something as vicious propaganda doesn't automatically discount some of the evidence present in that particular propagandistic and reductionist argument. But that's what propaganda is. It takes very complicated issues and reduces them to being simple non-arguments.
 
K.A.R.R. said:


I'm sorry, but those links are outrageously biased and full of propaganda. The first link is from www.sana.org - that's a state-controlled Syrian site - Syria is an authoritarian, backward state. Everything that you see on that website has zero credibility.

The other two links are just as bad. If you want good info, you'd have to go to your local public or university library or find some reputable scholarly journal online.
It's obvious you're new to the board, Nordstradamus is remarkably adept at finding unbiased sites that support his diatribes into the absurd.:alien:
 
they are all as bad as each other, the jews are on palestinian lands you can see the grievance but during a war (as the extreme palestinians class it) only the truly evil would want to kill women and children.

As for calling palestinians Nazi thats bullshit, after all Jews had not invaded nazi land, nor do palestinians have anything politically in common with them
 
OK I think I have something here. Ask yourself these questions.

1. Have you ever seen a movie portraying Native Americans in a negative role? YES of course.

2. Have you ever seen a movie portraying Arabs in a negative role? Yes of course.

How about Germans?
Canadians?
Egyptians?
Mexicans?
Blacks?
Yes of course you have, I can name MANY for each. I can think of a movie portraying almost all people in a negative manor except ONE.

JEWS.
You see what they want you to see. Wake up,, the truth is not on the T.V.
Its sad.
 
I dont remember seeing any movies portraying Christians in a negative role...We are talking about religion right???Compare apples to apples please...

XCYTER said:
OK I think I have something here. Ask yourself these questions.

1. Have you ever seen a movie portraying Native Americans in a negative role? YES of course.

2. Have you ever seen a movie portraying Arabs in a negative role? Yes of course.

How about Germans?
Canadians?
Egyptians?
Mexicans?
Blacks?
Yes of course you have, I can name MANY for each. I can think of a movie portraying almost all people in a negative manor except ONE.

JEWS.
You see what they want you to see. Wake up,, the truth is not on the T.V.
Its sad.
 
XCYTER said:
OK I think I have something here. Ask yourself these questions.

1. Have you ever seen a movie portraying Native Americans in a negative role? YES of course.

2. Have you ever seen a movie portraying Arabs in a negative role? Yes of course.

How about Germans?
Canadians?
Egyptians?
Mexicans?
Blacks?
Yes of course you have, I can name MANY for each. I can think of a movie portraying almost all people in a negative manor except ONE.

JEWS.
You see what they want you to see. Wake up,, the truth is not on the T.V.
Its sad.

Ummm.... why do we need movies to portray the jews in a negative fashion? have you ever read the NEW TESTAMENT? while a wonderful and sacred collection of writings, it is FULL of not-so-subtle anti-jewish sentiment. i quote: "and the JEWS cried out with ONE voice... 'CRUCIFY HIM'"

anybody with half a brain can look at a hollywood which portrays a people in a negative manner and see through the bias. the more blatant a message, the easier it is to see around it. i contend that the subtle, insidious way in which the jews are portrayed in a negative fashion throughout one of the most widely read books in the world has had far more deliterious on that people than any cheesy hollywood condemnation of the germans or indians.
 
"Just what exactly is going on here? That's easy. We are all witnessing an attempt by the Arab world governments in general, and the Palestinian Authority in particular, to finish the job that Hitler started. Six million is not enough for these New Nazis; they want the rest to disappear as well. "

I dont think the palestinians give half a fuck if they are jews hindus christians sikhs or whatever the fuck.
they just want them to piss off
 
My point was this: The T.V. is controlled by the Jews so how can you believe what you see on the T.V. concerning a conflict that involves the Jews.
And also to prove that point, I asked you to name a movie portraying Jews in a negative manor and Im sure none of you can.
This has nothing to do with the Bible.
 
first thing you need to realize is that there were not 6 million jews killed in the hauloco$t.

Second, there is a reason the jews were kicked out of every european country in the 12 century.

third, if the palestinians had F-15's that the USA bought them with american tax dollars they would not be using crude bombs.
 
It's a little simplistic but it would be hard to say that it is overtly biased given the few, simple FACTS it states.
 
LOL First of all Jews are more paranoid than black man at a KKK rally. You will get called an anti-semite quicker than a racist LOL

Second... lets get something straight people, and lets make it clear from the get go. The mideast is primarily fueled by religious beliefs, esp regarding holy land blah blah blah. That is the MAIN fuel buring the fire, not the only issue, but the biggest factor. Now.... being a good protestant I think the jews are gonna burn in hell right along with the muslims.

The USA is one of most protestant dominated nations on this planet. In other words... protestants are the majority and even other christians such as catholics are a much much smaller minority. To give you an idea, we've only had one catholic president and that was JFK. So from a PURELY religious point of view..... all of christians, and mostly protestants shouldn't give a flying fuck about any of em cause according to the good book they are going to burn in the fiery pits of hell!!!!!!!!!! LOL Straight Up, thats the way it is. Shit, atleast the Muslims believe Jesus was a propghet from god. Wouldn't you know that they even believe the Jesus will come back again also. Yeah you heard me, the muslims believe the allah(god) is goin to send ol Jesus back for the big event instead of muhammed, very similar to what christians believe. They just don't believe Jesus was the "son of god" and they believe muhammed was the last prophet not jesus...... but if you want to compare christian beliefs with jews and muslims..... well then then quite frankly the muslims are more in line with the christians than the jews are. The vast majority of you need to realize just how interconnected jews/christians/muslims really are . . . the muslims and christians BOTH are on the look out for ol jesus to make his return.

just a little tid bit of info. I hate to cut it short before I get to what I was really wanting to talk about, but I have to go to work or I would post more. I will when I get home about Israel and the such.

If I am wrong on any points, please feel free to correct me. I ain't no scholar.
 
If I am wrong on any points, please feel free to correct me. I ain't no scholar.

To be "right" about any of your points one has to assume that the Bible, old or new testament, is accurate. Since there is far more empirical evidence to support the theory of evolution vs. creation, it seems logical to me to lean towards the scientific route. That being said, it's kind of tough to stomach anything about walking on water, parting seas, and messiahs. Therefore, unless one is willing to accept on blind faith what is contained in the bible, then all of this "burning in hell" nonsense is bunk.


first thing you need to realize is that there were not 6 million jews killed in the hauloco$t. Second, there is a reason the jews were kicked out of every european country in the 12 century. third, if the palestinians had F-15's that the USA bought them with american tax dollars they would not be using crude bombs.

MP5 is a blatant racist, in every sense of the definition, so I urge caution while digesting his statements. At last check he had some Aryan Nation flag on his avatar.

Of course the Jews control the media: All the Jews like - Rupert Murdoch, Ted Turner, Charlie Ergen, Jack Welch and his replacements. C'mon be serious.

Its easy to blame the Jews. It is the one of the only religions in the world that centers around education. Because of the emphasis on education, Jews tend to be one of the most financially successful cultures per capita. When you have a mound of bills and problems like most of us do, it's easy to turn and look at a group that has money and point your finger at them.

In addition, no one has mentioned throughout this thread the militarily strategic importance of Israel to the rest of Western civilization.
 
The Zionists have no reason to complain about anything.
They have just managed to steal someone elses country, opress and kill the people living there because they are either muslim arab or christian.

All this with complete backing from the worlds superpower, things cant get any better for them

I find it pretty difficult to feel sorry for them when a couple of zionists die each month compared to 6 times that much on the Palestinian side.

What the Israelis call hell the Palestinians call home and its been like that for over 50 years. The Israelis have been hosting a nazi camp for the Palestinians and every one is turning a blind eye
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
The only democracy in the Middle east is Israel. The only country in the Middle East where Arabs or Muslims can vote for their leader is Israel.

There is no true negotiation with a non-elected government, since it doesn;t represent the will of its people.


false
 
I have friends in the IDF

Israel Defense Force and while I was chatting with them I realized that I cant argue with them because they are brain washed. For them everything is justified

Palestinian women used as body shields
ethnic cleansing.
bombing
Israel is never wrong
the US should stay the fuck out but give us money and weapons

and I can go on.

One day, when the middle east will not be of interest to the US and Western nations,
and we will withdraw ours support, Israel will be crush and destroyed.


If they want peace, they must give back the land they took away violating all international laws.

OH YEAH I forgot Israel is above the law and everyone!

Go there and see, when you will get back you will probably send money to hamas.


:rolleyes:
 
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