The importance of eating clean on DNP

[SofaGeorge]

I saw a very interesting research study a few years ago. The writer looked at all the various metabolism stimulants: ephedrine, T3, GH, etc... and at how many extra calories you needed to consume in order to offset the benefit of the substance. (i.e., how many more calories do you have to eat on T3 to neutralize the fat burning and start GAINING body fat.) I remember being very surprised at how little you had to eat... I don't remember the exacts but it was like only half a bagle extra on top of your normal calories would offset the ECA stack. The message of the article was how important it was to eat clean when you were trying to gain the benefit of metabolism stimulatns for b/f reduction.

I've seen several posts about people who have done DNP cycles where they commented that they didn't eat carefully. They just ate whatever they wanted to and decided to let the drug do it's thing... and they still effectively lost bodyfat. I decided to put DNP to the test. I wanted to progress up in doseages to see how much I needed to take before I couldn't out eat DNP, and I wanted to do a long DNP cycle at higher than normal doses.

I know this sounds a bit stupid, but:

1. I am unusually DNP tolerant.

2. I had the benefit of 2 doctors monitoring my stats each day.

I do not recommend this experiment to anyone, and I do not recommend these doseages to ANYONE. Please remember that FarBeyondDriven was hospitalized and almost died on a very low dose of DNP. It is a dangerous drug that cannot be underestimated.

Days:

1-3 I took 200mg crystal DNP

I also started to eat like a glutton. I had pizza, chocolate cake, ice cream. Anything I wanted. I didn't bother counting calories. I simply wanted to go for as much as I could put down.

At 200mg crystal DNP I had no sides at all. (Please remember, I am unusually DNP tolerant. This dose kicks some guys asses.)

Days:

4-10 I took 400mg DNP crystal

I continued to eat like a pig. I wasn't losing an ounce, but I wasn't gaining an ounce either. I also had NO SIDES.

At this point I contacted my source. I couldn't believe my caps were dosed right. I couldn't possibly be out eating DNP at 400mg crystal a day. My source checked the caps (he's a cool guy that I know and trust.) He also gave me instructions on how to double check the dose. My caps were indeed 200mg crystal... but I was easily able to out glutton the drug.

Days:

11-17 I bumped up the dose to 600mg crystal a day. At this point the sweating and heavy breathing was getting noticable. I had some lethargy but was still able to do full workouts and take my dogs for 5 mile walks each day. Come night time I drenched the sheets.

I also continued to eat like a horse. Again, I was able to keep from losing body fat, but I also was not able to go up in b/f. The DNP was effectively keeping me from gaining fat, just like my over eating simple carbs was keeping me from losing b/f.

Days:

18-33 I bumped up the dose to 800mg crystal a day. The sides were tough. I was taking mineral supps three times a day. (I had too... really bad cramping set in on day 19 from the depleted electrolytes. The mineral supps stopped that.) I was pouring off sweat, breathing heavily, hot, and very lethargic - but I was still able to go into the gym and do full workouts and walk my dogs for an hour a day... but I also was completely lethargic around the house. I would ask my girlfriend to bring me a glass of water rather than get up and walk to the kitchen to get it.

At this point, by calipers, tape measure, and the scale I was starting to lose body fat. I could not out eat 800mg DNP no matter how hard I tried. I went to bed a couple nights feeling like my stomach was a balloon from all the pizza and pie... but still I lost b/f.

This is when I switched over to eating CLEAN. I set my protein at 300mg a day of quality protein, limited my carbs and limited my fat. I was on a 50/30/20 diet protein/carbs/fat.

The day I switched to eating clean the b/f started melting off me... fast. The cleaner I ate... the more noticable the benefits of the DNP. (It was hard to make an immediate jump from glutton to totally clean... so I still had half a pizza one day.)

At this point both Starfish and my girlfriend started threatening me. They both thought my DNP level was dangerously high... then one of my doctor friends gave me the final word - the experiment had to end - NOW. He didn't find any problem with my stats, but he also didn't have any experience to base the risks/dangers on... and I was now at 5-6% b/f. He didn't want me to go any lower.

The lesson I learned from this experiment:

If you are going to use a dangerous drug like DNP - get into it with a smart game plan. Recognize that the drug is enormously helped by your eating clean and sensibly. Don't count on the drug to do all the work for you... you won't get the best benefit that way.

AND PLEASE REMEMBER - 800MG DNP CRYSTAL CAN KILL PEOPLE.

 

[WannaImpress]

SofaGeorge

wow, 800mgs of crystal DNP. I can only imagine the lethargy you had. I personally have done 800mgs of powdered DNP and will never ever do that again........chest was tight, couldn't sleep, headaches, etc..... On my DNP runs I can honestly say that I tried to eat clean but couldn't control the carb cravings at night. I can only imgaine what the results would have been if I could have kept a strict diet.

Congrats on your results! Will you ever go that high again or will you just be more strict on your diet?

 

[nautica]

Damn good post. Karma to you. If nothing else just for surviving.

nautica

 

[SofaGeorge]

Re: SofaGeorge

wow, 800mgs of crystal DNP. I can only imagine the lethargy you had. I personally have done 800mgs of powdered DNP and will never ever do that again........chest was tight, couldn't sleep, headaches, etc..... On my DNP runs I can honestly say that I tried to eat clean but couldn't control the carb cravings at night. I can only imgaine what the results would have been if I could have kept a strict diet.

Congrats on your results! Will you ever go that high again or will you just be more strict on your diet?

There were a couple nights where I actually wondered if I was going to die. 800mg crystal can kick Godzilla's ass.

If it wasn't for ECA I would not have been able to get through the day. ECA seems to really help on DNP. (I haven't tried NYC with it... but I suspect NYC might be even better.)

I'll never go that high again because there is NO REASON to go that high. There's no reason to even go high. When I did my first DNP cycle I ate clean and saw great gains at 200mg and 400mg crystal a day. If I do another DNP cycle I'll do it the smart way - 200mg a day and eating clean.

This was just an experiment in the importance of eating clean. I don't need to learn the lesson twice... and I hoped by posting this I would save someone else from learning the same lesson.

Fonz always said low dose DNP is the way to go. He is very very right.

 

[WannaImpress]

Re: Re: SofaGeorge

There were a couple nights where I actually wondered if I was going to die.

If it wasn't for ECA I would not have been able to get through the day.

I'll never go that high again because there is NO REASON to go that high.

If I do another DNP cycle I'll do it the smart way - 200mg a day and eating clean.

This was just an experiment in the importance of eating clean. I don't need to learn the lesson twice... and I hoped by posting this I would save someone else from learning the same lesson.

Fonz always said low dose DNP is the way to go. He is very very right.

Very good points SofaGeorge! Next time I will definitely make sure and keep my eating habits a lot cleaner.

Did you do any cardio while on DNP besides walking your dogs? What where your stats before and after your 5-6%bf ?

 

[SofaGeorge]

Re: Re: Re: SofaGeorge

Very good points SofaGeorge! Next time I will definitely make sure and keep my eating habits a lot cleaner.

Did you do any cardio while on DNP besides walking your dogs? What where your stats before and after your 5-6%bf ?

Dog walks were the most I could stand. I usually run, bike, and box... but high exertion cardio was out of the question. Exhaustion came so quickly that when I even tried to ride my bike for a mile it was a bitch.

I had to go by caliper ranges for b/f. One system put me at 9-10% starting... one put me at 14-15%. It is hard to get an accurate picture for someone like me with calipers. They want to put you into a different setting range because of your age (I'm 43) but that is measuring you against the average sedantary 40 year old population. It doesn't qualify the difference between someone who is a life long lifter.

Both readers put me in the 5-6% range at finish.

If I had been really smart I would have gotten hydrostatic testing. I went to get it done twice before I started but each time they couldn't do it. Machinery problems... so I said screw it.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

clean eating is important...

however perhaps more important..

PROPERLY DOSED CAPS..

it is VERY likely that your caps are underdosed.. 800mg of crystal dnp is a VERY VERY VERY HIGH..

as a little note to those here.. the original crystal caps(by D*P*0*) were actually at 110mg.. (though labeled at 200mg).. that is how strong it is.. and those people complained of strong sides with those 200mg caps..

it is possible that you are VERY tolerant.. though given what the quality of DNP caps are these days.. pretty unlikely...



ALL THAT SAID..

very good points about diet.. the metabolic increase is great but a bad diet can offset much of the value..

a moderate diet with fruit (liver glycogen) as the main carbohydrate is quite effective (plus fruit has lots of anti-oxidents)

 

[serge]

if one chooses to use dnp, then why not take it all the way and keep cals as low as possible just to make sure to acheave the best possible fat loss, you will feel misarable either way so might as well keep your total caloric intak in check

i beleave low carb, high protein, mod fat diet while keeping cals in the range of 10-12cals per lb of bodyweight acheaves optimum results while minimizing the sides

 

[SofaGeorge]

[QUOTEit is VERY likely that your caps are underdosed.. 800mg of crystal dnp is a VERY VERY VERY HIGH..
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Believe me when I say - that was my first thought too. I had my source recheck the batch, and I've compared the caps to caps that I previously used that are verified 200mg DNP crystal.

By all appearances to the naked eye... they are 200mg DNP crystal caps (i.e. caps are full filled not underfilled, taste and color match known 200mg caps, strip test matches). My sides were also identical at matching doses to previous use; however, I don't have the luxury of an actual lab test that would fully convince me that they are 200mg DNP crystal. Until I see a lab test I will always have doubts.

 

[Diesel3d]

im on day 5 of DNP powder. 200mg first 2 days, and 400 for 3 days. Will do 400 for the next 2 then 600 on my last. Taking 50 mg of winny a day, and 5 mg of dbol morning and evening to put me in a somewhat anticatabolic state. This is all during the last week of a 12 week long bulking- cutting cycle.

I have already gone down from 12-13% to around 9-10%. The scale weight is not too far down because of the water weight, but my body looks a LOT different. I look a lot leaner/more cut and am still holding the water. Top 4 abs are showing.

My dosage is low, but it's my diet that’s making me lose so fast. This is all i do.

protein 1 X body weight - Mainly chicken tuna and whey to keep the fat off.
carbs - I don't count them because it’s hard with fruit.
Fat - under 10 grams.

My cals are very low . I would guess around 9X body weight… Some days less.
The lower the cals on DNP the more the fat loss. This is obvious. So eating irresponsibly is not too smart. You are risking you life taking DNP. At least make it worth it and get the most fat loss you can.. It’s worth it in my opinion to starv yourself for a few days to get the best results possible. Veggies and fruit help with energy on the low cals and hunger. Lower T3 levels from DNP + AS + 1 gram protein/lb should help DNP burn mostly just FAT while going LOW cal. My arm measurements are still the same. I don’t think I have lost ANY muscle. That’s me though.

Every morning I wake up and my body looks different. This stuff is really fucking amazing. I don’t get bad sweats or heat either.

Typical meals look like this

Chicken, Peach
Tuna, Vanilla coke.
whey, watermelon
etc.....

When I am hungry I munch on veggies during the day. Baby carrots, gream beans, stuff like that. Veggies don’t really even count for cals. I notice no increase with heat when eating veggies on DNP either.

This is all I do and it has been working great on a low dosage of dnp. I should be 6-8% 3 days from now( I started at 12-13% ) where I will stop the cycle, wait 3 days, carb up, and start upping cals slowly into a clean bulking diet.