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The IGF Thread

krishna said:
Black sheep is advising against this.
I don't think its good either. However, if you really want to do it e3d, and you want to stay on indef, make sure you post your results. In theory I guess it would work, but until I hear greatg things about e3d, I will continue with ed.
 
Some people swear by ed, while others e3d, I did my net research and also have tried both ways- found that e3d is producing the same results as ed. For me e3d makes the most sense economicaly and scientifically
 
Cutt29 said:
Some people swear by ed, while others e3d, I did my net research and also have tried both ways- found that e3d is producing the same results as ed. For me e3d makes the most sense economicaly and scientifically

Define same results. You saw the same results over the same period of time, or you say the same results taking it ed for 30 days as you did taking e3d for 3 months?? I have to dount that doing it 1/3 as often would yeild the same results. If so, where all the variables the same?

On another note I jsut heard that Stallion is releasing a Media grade that will come boxed with AA and Bac water. I hear that 1mg will be very reasonably priced. As soon as my source gets his hands on it I am going to run 2mg at 70mcg ed for 28 days.
 
black sheep said:
Define same results. You saw the same results over the same period of time, or you say the same results taking it ed for 30 days as you did taking e3d for 3 months?? I have to dount that doing it 1/3 as often would yeild the same results. If so, where all the variables the same?
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same "results" (short term and visable) are increased vascularity and increased pumps, simply put if your doing the same dose 1/3 as often but your receptors are fresh, without any saturation and/or downregulation then that is how it would yield "the same results"
 
Cutt29 said:
Some people swear by ed, while others e3d, I did my net research and also have tried both ways- found that e3d is producing the same results as ed. For me e3d makes the most sense economicaly and scientifically
You know why? Because it has a half life longer than 6 hrs!
 
these instructions are on a few other boards, i cut and pasted them to this thread as there have been numerous threads started asking these very questions

Post #1 Complete Idiots guide to reconstitution of Peptides by thegame46
For IGF you use an acetic acid solution. If one was not made available to you you can make the solution using 7 parts distilled water and 1 part vinegar from the grocery store. You must filter this through a sterile syring filter before use however.

For MGF use Bacteriostatic Water BW.

For HGH Fragments and GHRP's also use BW.

When reconstituting you are going to add the liquid to th vial containing the powder is a slow controled manner with the vial tilted so that the liquid trickles out of the needles and rolls down the side of the vial. Do not squirt it directly into the peptide b/c this may damage it.

How do you know how much to use?
Well you need to know how much is in the vial and how much you wnat your dose to be. I like to make mine so that the dosage comes out to being an even 10IU so its easy to measure accurately.

You will need insulin syringes with IU (internatioal units) measurements.
and IU is 1/100 of a mL or a 100,000 of a Liter. This is a measurement of volume.

You peptide will be labeled in mcg. (micrograms) which is 1/1000 of a mg or 1 millionth of a gram.

Your vial will likely have either 1 or 2 mg of peptide inside thats 1000-2000 mcg.

Say you have a 1mg vial and you add 1ML you get
1000mcg/1mL: 10 mcg per IU
and so on if you add more.
1000mcg/2mL: 5.0 mcg per IU
1000mcg/3mL: 3.3 mcg per IU
1000mcg/4mL: 2.5 mcg per IU

if you have a 2mg vial simply multiply these number by 2
2000mcg/1mL: 20 mcg per IU

Now you are not going to be able to accurately measure 1 IU. I'd say 5 IU is the smallest measurement I would reccomend and 10IU is even easier to measure. So lets look at these dilutions for 5 and 10 IUs
1000mcg/1mL: 100 mcg per 10IU
and so on if you add more.
1000mcg/2mL: 50 mcg per 10IU
1000mcg/3mL: 33.3 mcg per 10IU
1000mcg/4mL: 25 mcg per 10IU

Or
1000mcg/1mL: 50 mcg per IU
and so on if you add more.
1000mcg/2mL: 25 mcg per IU
1000mcg/3mL: 16.6 mcg per IU
1000mcg/4mL: 12.5 mcg per IU

Post#2 by ****one
first remove the vacuum from the vial, by injecting air into it. when the vacuum is gone it will no longer pull the plunger down. if there is no vacuum, it's nothing to worry about

you can use as much AA as you like. the original kits came with 1ml. most time when i drew it into a syringe, it was't even that much, which of course is a problem. if you want to use 1ml, fine, 2ml, fine.

i personally use 2ml because it is easier to measure later when you draw it into a syring.

after removing the vacuum SLOWLY add AA to the vial. try not to let the stream of aa hit the powder directly, try to let it run down the glass into the powder. when the aa is in gently swirl the vial until all is disolved. do not shake.

a 1ml syringe is marked like this llll10llll20llll30llll40llll50llll60...etc
a 1/2 ml syringe is like this llll5llll10llll15llll20llll25llll30

on a 1ml each line represents 2 units 2,4,6,8,10
on a 1/2 ml each line is 1 unit 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10. this makes it easier to measure.

so if you use 1ml of aa, on a 1ml pin, each line is 20mcg. on a 1/2ml pin each line is 10mcg

if you use 2ml of aa, on a 1ml pin each line is 10mcg, on a 1/2 ml each line is 5mcg...the 5line is 25mcg, 10 line is 50mcg...etc

so you see that the easiest way to measure is using 2ml and a 1/2ml pin

your igf is stored in aa solution, nacl is added to dilute at the time of injection. draw twice as much nacl as igf. so if you draw igf to the ten line, draw nacl to the 30 line and you are ready to go.


Once again if you are using a 2mg vial just multiply these numbers by 2.
 
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