The hypocracy on this site is unbelievable

[IvanOffelitch]

Un-fugging believable.

So...lemme see if I have this straight...

Anti-Amercian rhetoric is perfectly acceptable.

Anti-Bush rhetoric is perfectly acceptable

Anti-Christian rhetoric is perfectly acceptable (embraced is a more appropriate description)

Anti-semetic rhetoric is perfectly acceptable

Anyone who speaks up in favor of traditional values and (dare I say?) morals is immediately lambasted and labeled a closed-minded idiot...or worse

......on the other hand......

Anything even remotely anti-islamic either gets locked or gets someone banned. How does this differ from an anti-Christian topic? Most of the anti-Christian topics get MUCH more vulgar and brutal than the anti-islamic threads (see this thread), yet they seldom (if ever) get locked, and I'm not aware of anyone being banned for participating in an anti-Christian thread. Hell, even some of the MODERATORS take part in them.

It's perfectly acceptable to make off-hand remarks about wanting to have sex with someone's underage daughter. So pedophilia is welcomed here too?

Red K attacks are executed on various members by certain "clicks" because their opinions/beliefs differ from that of said "clicks." How pathetic is that?

Obviously this doesn't apply to everyone here, but it fits the vast majority quite well.

So, it seems to me that as long as someone conforms to the common ultra-liberal, anti-American, anti-traditional, anti-moral, anti-Christian, anti-semetic mindset which is so prevalent here, then all is good. But anyone who goes against this grain is considered an outcast and unable to think for themselves. How ironic is that?!? "Conform to the common mindset here and you're golden. Stray from it and you're an idiot." If that wasn't so pathetic, it would be amusing.

I do find one thing amusing though...

The ultra-liberals demand that everyone else be tolerant of them and their beliefs, but they refuse to tolerate the beliefs of others.That is so inane that it's crossed over from amusing to pathetic and back to amusing again. That, ladies and gentlemen (and everything in between), is hypocracy at its finest. Congrats. As Bill Engvall would say: "Here's your sign."

 

[CFZB]

ive pretty much excepted the fact that i havent a clue whats realy going on ...so im only in it for a laugh bro ...

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

Haven't seen the Anti-semetic rhetoric here yet.

 

[jerkbox]

yeah, you're right man....

and it's cliques

 

[spongebob]

its always been like that here.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Anti-semetic rhetoric is shut down fast. I've posted one asking for other Christians to pray for me about something personal... and didn't got maybe one or 2 negative posts, and over 30 PM's from people saying they would pray for me for whatever was going on.

There is a great deal of pro-American posts.

BTW, I get sick of the people who claim anti-Bush statements are anti-American. What his administration has done is anti-American... anyone who supports his Nazi-like regime should stop and question their patriotism.

Now, as far as Bush supporters go, while I do not agree with you, I do believe that this is American and you have a right to your opinion, and a right to vote for who you believe to be the best canidate. This is the very core of what it means to be American, and I fully support your right to believe as you will, and experess this was protected speech, just try to remember that works both ways. People have a right in this country to believe what they want, and express their beliefs without fear of persecution. That is what makes this country great.

 

[DocHoliday]

good post, and I am in the minority in that

Regarding RedK Attacks ---> <----you people should be horsewhipped!
I cant stand Anti-American (2thick) type bullshit.
I cannot agree with liberal dems at all, nor can I accept their narrow mindedness.
I believe our landmarks should be left alone, piss on the ACLU.
I am voting Bush.
I believe in Old School stuff like, saying sir and maam, and One Nation Under God.
God is real, so is his son Jesus, his death, and resurrection.

*zips asbestos suit*



*twitching trigger finger on the butt of his Pistol*





Say When.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Doc, no worry from me. I won't flame you. I don't like Bush, and I'm liberal (otehr than gun control... I think everyone should be required by law to own an assault rifle), but I believe you have a right to your views. Anywho, I'm also a Christian so I'm ok with you believing in Christ.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

... I have to question the Americanism of anyone who doesn't own an ar-15. You have an obligation to defend your home and family from burgers and your country from invasion.

 

[redshirt27se]

thats a good post.

 

[HumorMe]

*zips asbestos suit*

Would you by chance have two of those?

 

[Lao Tzu]

The anti-semitism disappeared with 2thick.

tons of anti-islamic stuff is said here.

 

[SoreArms]

see, plenty of people here just like "you"

no need to feel so isolated and agitated

 

[p0ink]

this board used to be much more right leaning, but a lot of the members either left or were banned.

most notably the intel man/the republican and bwood. others were 'right leaning', but they also shared some rather 'interesting' opinions on things such as race and religion.

 

[casualbb]

The anti-semitism disappeared with 2thick.

tons of anti-islamic stuff is said here.

Dude I'm pretty sure 2thick is jewish.

 

[Gonzosc1]

... I have to question the Americanism of anyone who doesn't own an ar-15. You have an obligation to defend your home and family from burgers and your country from invasion.

I can't afford an AR-15, well maybe if I sold a couple of my guitars I could.
but for now my trusty Mossberg 12 Ga and AMT 45 will have to do. I hope thats ok for now.

 

[p0ink]

just wait for the assualt weapons ban to expire sept 14th before you purchase any new weapon.

 

[Razorguns]

He doesn't give a shit. He just wants your money, and if you give it to him -- he won. He could care less if you "believe" him.

 

[labiamaster]

I cant stand Anti-American (2thick) type bullshit.
This board is available world wide. If you have ever traveled out of the country(and in certain parts of the US), you will find a lot of people are anti-american-and most have the right to be-we are not always the good guys as you have been lead to believe your whole life.

I cannot agree with liberal dems at all, nor can I accept their narrow mindedness.
Most people are both liberal and conservative. Just being apart of one group (dems or reps) no matter what the issues are would be considered narrow minded--and this is not only dems--it is everyone.

I am voting Bush.
I would imagine you are very wealthy or blind to what a joke he has been in his time as president. For the record Kerry isn't that much better. Nothing will start to get better until we get someone in there who really wants to help the country and not just the corporations that back them--i.e stop electing spoiled rich guys who don't give two shits about anyone but themselves.

I believe in Old School stuff like, saying sir and maam, and One Nation Under God.
You have a right to, just like someone else in this country has the right not to.

God is real, so is his son Jesus, his death, and resurrection.
Prove it. And don't tell me it is real cause you read it in some book or you feel it inside, cause that isn't proving anything. No one on earth will know if that is true until they die.

 

[broley]

No one on earth will know if that is true until they die.

How can you back up this statement? Are you dead?
If you are not dead how do you know? And if you are dead...that's creepy.

 

[labiamaster]

How can you back up this statement? Are you dead?
If you are not dead how do you know? And if you are dead...that's creepy.

It is 1:45 am on the East coast and you must be high. What I meant was no one will know if there is a god, jesus, allah, 72 virgins or really anything after death for that matter until they die.

 

[broley]

I'm sure you know what you ment.
But don't think for a second you know that I am stomeded.

 

[Robert Jan]

I don't discriminate between christianity and islam, they're equally stupid and evil

 

[sorerotators]

Great post!

 

[ChefWide]

Anti-Amercian rhetoric is perfectly acceptable.

Being "Anti American GOVERNMENTAL POLICY" is more than acceptable, its needed as form of check and balance that was and is guaranteed by the constitution. Without it, horror reigns in the form of a unchecked nightmare like permanent McCarthyism or ongoing Slavery. Without vociferous opposition, democracy is doomed.

Anti-Bush rhetoric is perfectly acceptable
What? Are you joking with this one? OF COURSE IT IS OK! He is a POLITCAL FIGURE! Listen carefully: All politicos need bashing in the worst way, if you think that because he is president that absolves him of deep, passionate critism then you have the essence the whole process backwards. Next you will be suggesting that its wrong to be Anti-Tunafish Salad because you prefer Tuna to Roastbeef.


Anti-Christian rhetoric is perfectly acceptable (embraced is a more appropriate description)

The institution of Christianity is the same as any other, Islam, Judaism, etc, and is open to critacism like any other. The INDIVIDUALS that follow that institution, like any other, deserve to have their personal, private beliefs defended by the bullies on the block. You have heard me bash the living shit out of the DOCTRINES of hate, seperatism, racism and ignorance that are inherant in ALL strict religeous teaching, but NEVER, NOT ONCE, have you heard me say that someone should be killed, or imprisioned, or forceably converted from one religeous belief set to another, regardless of how silly it is. THAT is the predominant set of rantings toward Islam that flourish on this board by idiots of multiple religeons and I will gladly call them the assholes that they are. I have done it when that ignorant racist blather is turned at any group. So because you are devout Christian, you believe that 'bashing' the doctrines of your institution of choice is wrong? Fine, defend them with logic and reason, but don't go throwing this "IF you don't believe in my flavor then you are destined to the eternal fires of hell' HORSESHIT. Keep that ignorant crap to your self, or you deserve to be bashed for foisting your own beliefs onto others. You think that crap should be defended? Go to a christian board then. See ya.


Anti-semetic rhetoric is perfectly acceptable

Read my post above, insert changes where needed.

Anyone who speaks up in favor of traditional values and (dare I say?) morals is immediately lambasted and labeled a closed-minded idiot...or worse

WHOSE traditional values? You stick up for traditional Middle Class White Protestant Values so it's supposed to be off limits? But someone who sticks up for traditional (insert other school of thought) values is wrong? That assertion is closed minded AND worse.


......on the other hand......

Anything even remotely anti-islamic either gets locked or gets someone banned. How does this differ from an anti-Christian topic? Most of the anti-Christian topics get MUCH more vulgar and brutal than the anti-islamic threads (see this thread), yet they seldom (if ever) get locked, and I'm not aware of anyone being banned for participating in an anti-Christian thread. Hell, even some of the MODERATORS take part in them.

Snore. Re-read my comments above.

Point to the thread where someone has called for the wholesale extermination of all christians.
Show me where a member has suggested that all christians are blood thirsty murderers.
Could you remind me where someone has professed the virtues of converting all christians to their religion at gun point and if they don't like it, they should be killed?

This is what is NOT tolerated:

I say FUCK you muslims and your fucking piece shit religion, your piece of shit dirty ass sandy towels, your ugly freak'n women and ugly little dirty ass kid terrorist they poop out...I would vote right now to kill everlast motherfucking last one of you if that was on the ballad to bio your kind out of existence because ya'll are evil plain ass evil . Ya'll better stop fucking with Americans you fucking bastard towel heads because you are fucking with the best. Take your dumbass prophet faggot mahammod and shove him up your you damn loser camel jockeys faggot ass and then sow it shut.

yes, that is a quote.

You ever see anyone say THAT about christians, they will get banned like the fool that posted that idiocy.

It's perfectly acceptable to make off-hand remarks about wanting to have sex with someone's underage daughter. So pedophilia is welcomed here too?

You, sir, need to be able to distinguish the banter of those who live life on the fringe from actual offers of disrupting the sanctity of children. Until you can, you might want to try to relax.

Red K attacks are executed on various members by certain "clicks" because their opinions/beliefs differ from that of said "clicks." How pathetic is that?

Pathetic indeed. Welcome to the internet. Glad you could come. I am among the loudest of loudmouths on this board and bashed as much or more than most. Yet I have yet to receive one red K attack for my beliefs, nor have I ever given red but to those that get rude. Why haven't I been crushed by red for my outspoken opinions? Because, although I disagree with you, I never attack you as a person, just your frothing, festering, ignorant beliefs...


So, it seems to me that as long as someone conforms to the common ultra-liberal, anti-American, anti-traditional, anti-moral, anti-Christian, anti-semetic mindset which is so prevalent here, then all is good. But anyone who goes against this grain is considered an outcast and unable to think for themselves.

<cough> HORSESHIT. Read my coments above to crush that rant.

How ironic is that?!? "Conform to the common mindset here and you're golden. Stray from it and you're an idiot." If that wasn't so pathetic, it would be amusing.

Uh... so your suggesting that they need to conform to your mindset? Contradictions like that are what make your arguments easy to ignore. I mean that in a loving, brotherly way, brother.

I do find one thing amusing though...

The ultra-liberals demand that everyone else be tolerant of them and their beliefs, but they refuse to tolerate the beliefs of others.

Snore. Yawn. Read above.

That is so inane that it's crossed over from amusing to pathetic and back to amusing again. That, ladies and gentlemen (and everything in between), is hypocracy at its finest. Congrats. As Bill Engvall would say: "Here's your sign."

Yet at the same time you are saying "If you dont believe in my opinion, you are not not tolerant." You want me to milk-toast around when I disagree? Not gonna happen, if you have ever been unfortuneate enough to read my posts you would know that for certain. I will fight anyone that pulls a curling on you, or that suggests that you change your personal belief set purely because it is different from theirs. You try and cram any of those down my throat, or suggest that I must be 'unsaved' or 'unable to see the truth' by virtue of the fact that I don't fall into your flock, then hell yes you will get bashed, you should be.

Carry on.

 

[The Wenis]

/\ best post ever



i am being required to put the following in my posts far too often: "You must spread some Karma around before giving it to ChefWide again."

 

[SoreArms]

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to ChefWide again.

Bravo, sir

 

[Gonzosc1]

QUOTE...............from Chefwide

Red K attacks are executed on various members by certain "clicks" because their opinions/beliefs differ from that of said "clicks." How pathetic is that?

Pathetic indeed. Welcome to the internet. Glad you could come. I am among the loudest of loudmouths on this board and bashed as much or more than most. Yet I have yet to receive one red K attack for my beliefs, nor have I ever given red but to those that get rude. Why haven't I been crushed by red for my outspoken opinions? Because, although I disagree with you, I never attack you as a person, just your frothing, festering, ignorant beliefs...
.................................................................................................................

Agreed for the most part, but where do you draw the line..............
For exmaple; as a recent RED K victim myself from Chefwide(tongue in cheek)
I won't deny that I might have had it coming. but as a result of reflaming someone who flamed me. where do you drawn the line. Did the person who started the flame receive some RED k also?? rude is rude anyway you cut it.
Like I said I may have had it coming cuz I did jump right on the other guy. the whole subject matter of our replies was pretty,,,, uncalled for as this guy misread or couldn't comprehend what I said to begin with, So he flamed me and also gave me the RED K..... So now I have 2 RED K' for the same thing that he started. where do you draw the line of rudeness? are there different degrees of it? if so then you are forcing your beliefs on other people cuz there is no set list of what is rude. one mans rudeness can be another mans light play or fun.....
Example; if someone suggest that I am a shithead,, and someone else calls me a shithead. Is there a real line between the two? there is NO difference in either remark.
both remarks would be considered rude! the intent is the same. So unless both parties receive RED K it would indicate bias which can only end in the true meaning ..ie..
HYPOCRACY

 

[spentagn]

Dude I'm pretty sure 2thick is jewish.

you've got to be kidding me...


and hi strongchick.

 

[IvanOffelitch]

Anti-Amercian rhetoric is perfectly acceptable.

Being "Anti American GOVERNMENTAL POLICY" is more than acceptable, its needed as form of check and balance that was and is guaranteed by the constitution. Without it, horror reigns in the form of a unchecked nightmare like permanent McCarthyism or ongoing Slavery. Without vociferous opposition, democracy is doomed.

Anti-Bush rhetoric is perfectly acceptable
What? Are you joking with this one? OF COURSE IT IS OK! He is a POLITCAL FIGURE! Listen carefully: All politicos need bashing in the worst way, if you think that because he is president that absolves him of deep, passionate critism then you have the essence the whole process backwards. Next you will be suggesting that its wrong to be Anti-Tunafish Salad because you prefer Tuna to Roastbeef.


Anti-Christian rhetoric is perfectly acceptable (embraced is a more appropriate description)

The institution of Christianity is the same as any other, Islam, Judaism, etc, and is open to critacism like any other. The INDIVIDUALS that follow that institution, like any other, deserve to have their personal, private beliefs defended by the bullies on the block. You have heard me bash the living shit out of the DOCTRINES of hate, seperatism, racism and ignorance that are inherant in ALL strict religeous teaching, but NEVER, NOT ONCE, have you heard me say that someone should be killed, or imprisioned, or forceably converted from one religeous belief set to another, regardless of how silly it is. THAT is the predominant set of rantings toward Islam that flourish on this board by idiots of multiple religeons and I will gladly call them the assholes that they are. I have done it when that ignorant racist blather is turned at any group. So because you are devout Christian, you believe that 'bashing' the doctrines of your institution of choice is wrong? Fine, defend them with logic and reason, but don't go throwing this "IF you don't believe in my flavor then you are destined to the eternal fires of hell' HORSESHIT. Keep that ignorant crap to your self, or you deserve to be bashed for foisting your own beliefs onto others. You think that crap should be defended? Go to a christian board then. See ya.


Anti-semetic rhetoric is perfectly acceptable

Read my post above, insert changes where needed.

Anyone who speaks up in favor of traditional values and (dare I say?) morals is immediately lambasted and labeled a closed-minded idiot...or worse

WHOSE traditional values? You stick up for traditional Middle Class White Protestant Values so it's supposed to be off limits? But someone who sticks up for traditional (insert other school of thought) values is wrong? That assertion is closed minded AND worse.


......on the other hand......

Anything even remotely anti-islamic either gets locked or gets someone banned. How does this differ from an anti-Christian topic? Most of the anti-Christian topics get MUCH more vulgar and brutal than the anti-islamic threads (see this thread), yet they seldom (if ever) get locked, and I'm not aware of anyone being banned for participating in an anti-Christian thread. Hell, even some of the MODERATORS take part in them.

Snore. Re-read my comments above.

Point to the thread where someone has called for the wholesale extermination of all christians.
Show me where a member has suggested that all christians are blood thirsty murderers.
Could you remind me where someone has professed the virtues of converting all christians to their religion at gun point and if they don't like it, they should be killed?

This is what is NOT tolerated:



yes, that is a quote.

You ever see anyone say THAT about christians, they will get banned like the fool that posted that idiocy.

It's perfectly acceptable to make off-hand remarks about wanting to have sex with someone's underage daughter. So pedophilia is welcomed here too?

You, sir, need to be able to distinguish the banter of those who live life on the fringe from actual offers of disrupting the sanctity of children. Until you can, you might want to try to relax.

Red K attacks are executed on various members by certain "clicks" because their opinions/beliefs differ from that of said "clicks." How pathetic is that?

Pathetic indeed. Welcome to the internet. Glad you could come. I am among the loudest of loudmouths on this board and bashed as much or more than most. Yet I have yet to receive one red K attack for my beliefs, nor have I ever given red but to those that get rude. Why haven't I been crushed by red for my outspoken opinions? Because, although I disagree with you, I never attack you as a person, just your frothing, festering, ignorant beliefs...


So, it seems to me that as long as someone conforms to the common ultra-liberal, anti-American, anti-traditional, anti-moral, anti-Christian, anti-semetic mindset which is so prevalent here, then all is good. But anyone who goes against this grain is considered an outcast and unable to think for themselves.

<cough> HORSESHIT. Read my coments above to crush that rant.

How ironic is that?!? "Conform to the common mindset here and you're golden. Stray from it and you're an idiot." If that wasn't so pathetic, it would be amusing.

Uh... so your suggesting that they need to conform to your mindset? Contradictions like that are what make your arguments easy to ignore. I mean that in a loving, brotherly way, brother.

I do find one thing amusing though...

The ultra-liberals demand that everyone else be tolerant of them and their beliefs, but they refuse to tolerate the beliefs of others.

Snore. Yawn. Read above.

That is so inane that it's crossed over from amusing to pathetic and back to amusing again. That, ladies and gentlemen (and everything in between), is hypocracy at its finest. Congrats. As Bill Engvall would say: "Here's your sign."

Yet at the same time you are saying "If you dont believe in my opinion, you are not not tolerant." You want me to milk-toast around when I disagree? Not gonna happen, if you have ever been unfortuneate enough to read my posts you would know that for certain. I will fight anyone that pulls a curling on you, or that suggests that you change your personal belief set purely because it is different from theirs. You try and cram any of those down my throat, or suggest that I must be 'unsaved' or 'unable to see the truth' by virtue of the fact that I don't fall into your flock, then hell yes you will get bashed, you should be.

Carry on.

Good grief....you really are that clueless. The point of that post cleared the top of your head by a mile.

Yes, Curling could accurately be called a "clown prince" of Christianity. But, if you think he was an example of all Christians, then you are delusional. EVERY "religion" (how I detest that word) has it's share of buffoons, as does any other sect of society. Was what Curling said acceptable? Obviously not. But, on the other hand, this IS???

I took drunken piss' on three of the gates of Avignon.

I shake my private parts in the face of the Papa and all papist claptrap. J'ACCUSE: HORSHIT!

You, sir, are as big a buffoon, if not moreso, than he was.

Good. On the way I'll stop by the Vatican and punch the Pope in his decomposing face.

Add another one to the list.

Curling was obviously out of line making the comments he made, but no moreso than 90% of the other garbage that gets spewed forth here on a regular basis...yet it continues on un-checked. Again, I am NOT defending Curlings statements in any way...but the double-standard is blatantly obvious.

Curling was not an accurate representation of what a Christian "should" be. Here's a newsflash... no one is! Why do I say that? Because we're humans, not God...we make mistakes, we say and do stupid shit at times, and we at times hurt other people that we didn't intend to hurt. And yes, I've known more than my fair share of "Saturday night sinners, Sunday morning saints." On the other hand, I've also known some Christians who walked the walk better than they talked the talk. Some people take their faith more seriously than others do. That shows in their lives, when they're faced with tough decisions and temptations. NO ONE is perfect, Christian, muslim, buddhist or otherwise. We do the best we can with what we have, and when we screw up, we try to make amends. Unfortunately, the bad apples cast a very unfavorable image on the rest of us, and everyone assumes we're all just another Curling...or Jerry Falwell...whatever. Nothing could be further from the truth.

You will not see me bash anyone else for their beliefs...to do so is below childish. You believe what you will, as will I. However, when someone tries to pigeon-hole me into some imaginary stereotype that they've gleaned from the internet, TBN, a bad experience they had as a kid at sunday school, or some liberal college professor, then yes, you're gonna get called out.

As far as the anti-Bush rhetoric...

I am not a Bush supporter either...I was "cautiously optimistic" when he entered office, but I'm not satisfied with everything he's done. That is all I have to say about that subject, I do not discuss my personal political beliefs with anyone, much less people on the internet. The reason why should be obvious by this point. To those who take such delight in bashing the man, I ask you this; do you seriously think you could do a better job than he has? If so, then shut your pie hole and run for office. If not, then shut your pie hole. You're succeeding at little more than embarrasing yourselves.

As far as the anti-American sentiment...

There's no question the US has it's fair share of problems and political issues...always has, always will. However, I think it's more than fair to say that we, as a nation, have done more than our fair share to make the world a better place to live in. Yes, the US has screwed the pooch on several occasions...no one ever said we're perfect. On the other hand, how many times have we been there to bail out other nations when they got into something that went over their head? Who does everyone come to when they need $$$?...or food???...or medical aid???

As far as the pedophilia "banter"...

If ANYONE thinks that making light of molesting children is in any way amusing, then you are the lowest form of life on the planet. Please do the gene pool a favor and go play on a busy highway before you contaminate the population any further.

I could go on, but it's not worth it. The evidence speaks for itself.

`Nuff said.

 

[redshirt27se]

Good grief....you really are that clueless. The point of that post cleared the top of your head by a mile.

Yes, Curling could accurately be called a "clown prince" of Christianity. But, if you think he was an example of all Christians, then you are delusional. EVERY "religion" (how I detest that word) has it's share of buffoons, as does any other sect of society. Was what Curling said acceptable? Obviously not. But, on the other hand, this IS???



You, sir, are as big a buffoon, if not moreso, than he was.



Add another one to the list.

Curling was obviously out of line making the comments he made, but no moreso than 90% of the other garbage that gets spewed forth here on a regular basis...yet it continues on un-checked. Again, I am NOT defending Curlings statements in any way...but the double-standard is blatantly obvious.

Curling was not an accurate representation of what a Christian "should" be. Here's a newsflash... no one is! Why do I say that? Because we're humans, not God...we make mistakes, we say and do stupid shit at times, and we at times hurt other people that we didn't intend to hurt. And yes, I've known more than my fair share of "Saturday night sinners, Sunday morning saints." On the other hand, I've also known some Christians who walked the walk better than they talked the talk. Some people take their faith more seriously than others do. That shows in their lives, when they're faced with tough decisions and temptations. NO ONE is perfect, Christian, muslim, buddhist or otherwise. We do the best we can with what we have, and when we screw up, we try to make amends. Unfortunately, the bad apples cast a very unfavorable image on the rest of us, and everyone assumes we're all just another Curling...or Jerry Falwell...whatever. Nothing could be further from the truth.

You will not see me bash anyone else for their beliefs...to do so is below childish. You believe what you will, as will I. However, when someone tries to pigeon-hole me into some imaginary stereotype that they've gleaned from the internet, TBN, a bad experience they had as a kid at sunday school, or some liberal college professor, then yes, you're gonna get called out.

As far as the anti-Bush rhetoric...

I am not a Bush supporter either...I was "cautiously optimistic" when he entered office, but I'm not satisfied with everything he's done. That is all I have to say about that subject, I do not discuss my personal political beliefs with anyone, much less people on the internet. The reason why should be obvious by this point. To those who take such delight in bashing the man, I ask you this; do you seriously think you could do a better job than he has? If so, then shut your pie hole and run for office. If not, then shut your pie hole. You're succeeding at little more than embarrasing yourselves.

As far as the anti-American sentiment...

There's no question the US has it's fair share of problems and political issues...always has, always will. However, I think it's more than fair to say that we, as a nation, have done more than our fair share to make the world a better place to live in. Yes, the US has screwed the pooch on several occasions...no one ever said we're perfect. On the other hand, how many times have we been there to bail out other nations when they got into something that went over their head? Who does everyone come to when they need $$$?...or food???...or medical aid???

As far as the pedophilia "banter"...

If ANYONE thinks that making light of molesting children is in any way amusing, then you are the lowest form of life on the planet. Please do the gene pool a favor and go play on a busy highway before you contaminate the population any further.

I could go on, but it's not worth it. The evidence speaks for itself.

`Nuff said.

hoe lair bake

 

[presguy]

How can you back up this statement? Are you dead?
If you are not dead how do you know? And if you are dead...that's creepy.

your freaking me out. am i ..well jebus i dont know what to say. yeah creepy why you gotta be like that?

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I could go on, but it's not worth it. The evidence speaks for itself.

`Nuff said.

Let me paraphrase the above in case you couldn't quite understand it...

"I have my mind made up, don't try and confuse me with your viewpoints or facts. Mine are the only ones that are correct."

"Oh, and I don't need to say anymore 'cause I'm better and smarter than all of you"

 

[IvanOffelitch]

Let me paraphrase the above in case you couldn't quite understand it...

"I have my mind made up, don't try and confuse me with your viewpoints or facts. Mine are the only ones that are correct."

"Oh, and I don't need to say anymore 'cause I'm better and smarter than all of you"

I just wanna know one thing......


























what color is the sky in your world?

English really is a simple language, you just have to apply yourself a little bit to understand it. I know that can be a tall order for the "spoon feed me" generation, but give it a try sometime.

 

[plornive]

Good grief....you really are that clueless. The point of that post cleared the top of your head by a mile.

Yes, Curling could accurately be called a "clown prince" of Christianity. But, if you think he was an example of all Christians, then you are delusional. EVERY "religion" (how I detest that word) has it's share of buffoons, as does any other sect of society. Was what Curling said acceptable? Obviously not. But, on the other hand, this IS???



You, sir, are as big a buffoon, if not moreso, than he was.



Add another one to the list.

Curling was obviously out of line making the comments he made, but no moreso than 90% of the other garbage that gets spewed forth here on a regular basis...yet it continues on un-checked. Again, I am NOT defending Curlings statements in any way...but the double-standard is blatantly obvious.

Curling was not an accurate representation of what a Christian "should" be. Here's a newsflash... no one is! Why do I say that? Because we're humans, not God...we make mistakes, we say and do stupid shit at times, and we at times hurt other people that we didn't intend to hurt. And yes, I've known more than my fair share of "Saturday night sinners, Sunday morning saints." On the other hand, I've also known some Christians who walked the walk better than they talked the talk. Some people take their faith more seriously than others do. That shows in their lives, when they're faced with tough decisions and temptations. NO ONE is perfect, Christian, muslim, buddhist or otherwise. We do the best we can with what we have, and when we screw up, we try to make amends. Unfortunately, the bad apples cast a very unfavorable image on the rest of us, and everyone assumes we're all just another Curling...or Jerry Falwell...whatever. Nothing could be further from the truth.

You will not see me bash anyone else for their beliefs...to do so is below childish. You believe what you will, as will I. However, when someone tries to pigeon-hole me into some imaginary stereotype that they've gleaned from the internet, TBN, a bad experience they had as a kid at sunday school, or some liberal college professor, then yes, you're gonna get called out.

As far as the anti-Bush rhetoric...

I am not a Bush supporter either...I was "cautiously optimistic" when he entered office, but I'm not satisfied with everything he's done. That is all I have to say about that subject, I do not discuss my personal political beliefs with anyone, much less people on the internet. The reason why should be obvious by this point. To those who take such delight in bashing the man, I ask you this; do you seriously think you could do a better job than he has? If so, then shut your pie hole and run for office. If not, then shut your pie hole. You're succeeding at little more than embarrasing yourselves.

As far as the anti-American sentiment...

There's no question the US has it's fair share of problems and political issues...always has, always will. However, I think it's more than fair to say that we, as a nation, have done more than our fair share to make the world a better place to live in. Yes, the US has screwed the pooch on several occasions...no one ever said we're perfect. On the other hand, how many times have we been there to bail out other nations when they got into something that went over their head? Who does everyone come to when they need $$$?...or food???...or medical aid???

As far as the pedophilia "banter"...

If ANYONE thinks that making light of molesting children is in any way amusing, then you are the lowest form of life on the planet. Please do the gene pool a favor and go play on a busy highway before you contaminate the population any further.

I could go on, but it's not worth it. The evidence speaks for itself.

`Nuff said.

3 simple questions:

Why are you defending your political views when the issue is the ethics of the board?

Why are you defending Christians when no one was saying they needed to be defended?

Why do you mind criticism? Do you really mind when someone calls you a "buffoon"?

 

[HumorMe]

 

[theoak01]

it does get kind of ridiculous in my opinion, especially the anti pope and catholic remarks which get let go all the time

I am by no means asking anyone else to believe or even agree with the religion or anything said,but a certain level of respect should be shown to others beliefs

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I just wanna know one thing......


what color is the sky in your world?

English really is a simple language, you just have to apply yourself a little bit to understand it. I know that can be a tall order for the "spoon feed me" generation, but give it a try sometime.

It's actually colorless, unless there are significant particles in the air at the time.. It appears differing shades of blue and at sunsets can be red.

I understand English and logic quite well thank you very much. And I'm part of the baby boom generation, whereas I see you're from the condescending generation of those who only hold what is correct.

Now try this. Hold your jaws together tightly, teeth clenched and say the following. "Bite my weenie" Yes, you'll sound like a yuppie named Biff, but you'll get the idea.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

it does get kind of ridiculous in my opinion, especially the anti pope and catholic remarks which get let go all the time

I am by no means asking anyone else to believe or even agree with the religion or anything said,but a certain level of respect should be shown to others beliefs

Respect in what manner?

 

[theoak01]

I dont think calling the head of someones church a douchebag and other derogatory terms is right

I do expect people to disagree and have their own views and questioning it is ok,just leave it at that,no attacks personal or otherwise

that kinda thing

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I dont think calling the head of someones church a douchebag and other derogatory terms is right

I do expect people to disagree and have their own views and questioning it is ok,just leave it at that,no attacks personal or otherwise

that kinda thing

How did you feel about David Koresh?

 

[theoak01]

just did a search,and I think he is a bit off,but his way of life wouldnt effect me,he can believe what he wants same as everyone else

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I dont know who that is

Does Waco Texas ring a bell?

 

[HumorMe]

just did a search,and I think he is a bit off,but his way of life wouldnt effect me,he can believe what he wants same as everyone else

A self proclaimed messiah from Waco, Texas and the Branch Dividians

 

[theoak01]

thats what I gather,I just dont see how he living his way of life would have hurt me,just like someone being muslim doesnt hurt me

I do believe he was ill but I think its healthy to disagree with some things in life

 

[strongsmartsexy]

just did a search,and I think he is a bit off,but his way of life wouldnt effect me,he can believe what he wants same as everyone else

Ah, see the government decided that him and his followers were a legitimate threat. A significant number of them were murdered by the illustrious US government.

 

[theoak01]

I remember the incident from what I saw on tv,but I was young,I think under 10 at the time, and I think the government was just scared of things they didnt understand or want around because it was different

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I remember the incident from what I saw on tv,but I was young,I think under 10 at the time, and I think the government was just scared of things they didnt understand or want around because it was different

Unfortunately that kind of thing swings on all kinds of axis' within society in general. People are normally assaulting people and beliefs that are not the same as their own. For some reason it appears to me that religious people are more highly prone to do that in general. Or at least in my experience.

I guess having a belief system that demands that God it the all knowing and only his followers are in the right may have something to do with it. And having that mindset allows them to trample the rights/beliefs of others, since theirs is the only right one. If you doubt me, just ask them.

 

[theoak01]

I believe it bro,I have a buddy who is born again christian ,Im Catholic,we believe in the same god yet he says I am going to hell because I say the occasional hail mary by asking her to pray for me,he says its worshipping another person

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I believe it bro,I have a buddy who is born again christian ,Im Catholic,we believe in the same god yet he says I am going to hell because I say the occasional hail mary by asking her to pray for me,he says its worshipping another person

If you'd like a different viewpoint about Catholocism and Christian religion in general, I suggest two books. The first is "The Two Babylons" by Hyslop I believe. You'll have to have a significant amount of history and stuff to follow it easily. The other is called "Letters from Earth" by Mark Twain/Samuel Clemens. It's a more amusing look at things...

 

[theoak01]

thanks bro,Ill have to head to the library and pick them up,sounds like a interesting read.

anyway Im off to bed the percs are kicking in and Im groggy

 

[Lift Chief]

Kudos on that post, Chef.

The only thing he said that i want to reiterate (because i feel it's worth doing so) is this:
Typically, when people talk about "traditional values" or "morals", they are really talking about their own particular brand of tradition and morality. *See Bush administration*

 

[solidg]

then there are people bitchin about other people

 

[from zero]

Hypocrisy is a good death metal band.

 

[DocHoliday]

For some reason it appears to me that religious people are more highly prone to do that in general. Or at least in my experience.

Part of a person being a Christian involves spreading the knowledge & "truth". So, is the same not true for a Muslim or Jew or Catholic? Regardless of the belief system, they all have been taught there way is the "truth". I cant speak as to your "experience" but "generally speaking" a Christian is doing his duty by spreading the word of God. I doubt you will find many Christians who pass judgement one way or another, "it is not our job to judge". Do Christians believe in their beliefs? yes that is why they are called beliefs.

I am surprised at your statements and the ignorance they have shown regarding Christians.

I guess having a belief system that demands that God it the all knowing and only his followers are in the right may have something to do with it. And having that mindset allows them to trample the rights/beliefs of others, since theirs is the only right one. If you doubt me, just ask them.

I do not doubt you feel that way, but you are wrong. Christians are not taught to trample the rights and beliefs of others because what they believe is "wrong". They are taught to help the poor, the sick, the homeless, the widows and the orphans. They are taught to live as Christians, to be forgiving, loving, and to seek Wisdom and Peace. Christians, are not taught to Judge any other belief system. In fact, it is more along the lines of seeking forgiveness for our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

Are not Muslims taught "Allah" is God and all others are false prophets?
Do Catholics pray to God or Mary, they dont believe the same as Christians.
It is a rather lame arguement to try and hold Christians accountable for their beliefs when you obviously do not know what Christians are taught. As for one religion being the only correct religion, that topic is quite complex & would deserve its own thread. Basically it works like a Body, each body part has a function. i.e. "The Body of Christ"

Another verse from the Bible reminds Christians it is fruitless to get into religious disputes and discussion with a doctrinaire. So consider this my last post on the issue. I have nothing further to discuss on the topic with you.

Good Day,

 

[strongsmartsexy]

...

Good Day,

Errrr, I was a Christian minister in a previous incarnation. Is there anything else you'd like to explain to me about being a Christian?

 

[indianburn]

[No message]

 

[indianburn]

Good post doc. And a very good post to the op.

 

[thelegacy again]

Un-fugging believable.

So...lemme see if I have this straight...

Anti-Amercian rhetoric is perfectly acceptable.

Anti-Bush rhetoric is perfectly acceptable

Anti-Christian rhetoric is perfectly acceptable (embraced is a more appropriate description)

Anti-semetic rhetoric is perfectly acceptable

Anyone who speaks up in favor of traditional values and (dare I say?) morals is immediately lambasted and labeled a closed-minded idiot...or worse

......on the other hand......

Anything even remotely anti-islamic either gets locked or gets someone banned. How does this differ from an anti-Christian topic? Most of the anti-Christian topics get MUCH more vulgar and brutal than the anti-islamic threads (see this thread), yet they seldom (if ever) get locked, and I'm not aware of anyone being banned for participating in an anti-Christian thread. Hell, even some of the MODERATORS take part in them.

It's perfectly acceptable to make off-hand remarks about wanting to have sex with someone's underage daughter. So pedophilia is welcomed here too?

Red K attacks are executed on various members by certain "clicks" because their opinions/beliefs differ from that of said "clicks." How pathetic is that?

Obviously this doesn't apply to everyone here, but it fits the vast majority quite well.

So, it seems to me that as long as someone conforms to the common ultra-liberal, anti-American, anti-traditional, anti-moral, anti-Christian, anti-semetic mindset which is so prevalent here, then all is good. But anyone who goes against this grain is considered an outcast and unable to think for themselves. How ironic is that?!? "Conform to the common mindset here and you're golden. Stray from it and you're an idiot." If that wasn't so pathetic, it would be amusing.

I do find one thing amusing though...

The ultra-liberals demand that everyone else be tolerant of them and their beliefs, but they refuse to tolerate the beliefs of others.That is so inane that it's crossed over from amusing to pathetic and back to amusing again. That, ladies and gentlemen (and everything in between), is hypocracy at its finest. Congrats. As Bill Engvall would say: "Here's your sign."

Bro--you couldnt have said it more perfect------about the anti-Christ talk--this talk is proof once again that Christ IS Lord....i visit this site about once a week now cuz it is so left that you cant click on anything without hearing perverse talk about sex or bashing America or God (Christ) and this why the degenerate's stick around so they soke eachother's ideas up and the people who have morals leave

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

Errrr, I was a Christian minister in a previous incarnation. Is there anything else you'd like to explain to me about being a Christian?

No. Ever heard the verse about throwing your pearls to swine? Mr minister.

 

[Y_lifter]

Damn Canadians !

 

[strongsmartsexy]

No. Ever heard the verse about throwing your pearls to swine? Mr minister.

If you want to discuss it, stick to ONE alter. Your childish oversimplification of theology, while amusing is still oversimplification.

 

[bluepeter]

Damn Canadians !

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Part of a person being a Christian involves spreading the knowledge & "truth". So, is the same not true for a Muslim or Jew or Catholic? Regardless of the belief system, they all have been taught there way is the "truth". I cant speak as to your "experience" but "generally speaking" a Christian is doing his duty by spreading the word of God.

The differences are that the "word of God" is different from one religion to another and is significantly different even within the "Christian" religions. They can't even figure out what the bible is saying and have created different churches to support different "truths". And each of them is more tha willing to condem the other to hell because they're not the same as their own. Each being the more enlighted of course. How could they not be? If they though something else or believed something else is more true, wouldn't they change their beliefs? They have to be "right" or the penalty is everlasting hell. Isn't that a wonder little viscious dependency?

I doubt you will find many Christians who pass judgement one way or another, "it is not our job to judge".

Quite the contrary, Christians are excessively judgemental. It doesn't take a lot of reading on threads to see this, let alone what occurs in the US let alone the world.

Do Christians believe in their beliefs? yes that is why they are called beliefs.

What a splendid capacity you have for stating the obvious. Maybe you should form yet another alter besides this one and call it C4pt4inObvios

I am surprised at your statements and the ignorance they have shown regarding Christians.

I have an intimate knowledge of Christians, their theologies, dogmas and beliefs. Wanna compare notes?

I do not doubt you feel that way, but you are wrong. Christians are not taught to trample the rights and beliefs of others because what they believe is "wrong". They are taught to help the poor, the sick, the homeless, the widows and the orphans. They are taught to live as Christians, to be forgiving, loving, and to seek Wisdom and Peace. Christians, are not taught to Judge any other belief system. In fact, it is more along the lines of seeking forgiveness for our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

Ah, so all of this fuss over a constitutional amendment against gay marriages and the abortion clinic assualts by "Christians" are a good example of the above?

Are not Muslims taught "Allah" is God and all others are false prophets?

The Christian bible has the same notion strewn all through it.

Do Catholics pray to God or Mary, they dont believe the same as Christians

Uh, I hate to break it to you but Catholics ARE Christians.

Chris·tian ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krschn)
adj.
Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
Showing a loving concern for others; humane.

n.
One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.

It is a rather lame arguement to try and hold Christians accountable for their beliefs when you obviously do not know what Christians are taught.

Know what they're taught? Silly boy, I have done teaching of Christians in several churches. Even did some time in a gospel tent, and at other times picked up a guitar and sang until enough people came so I could pick up a bible and preach to 'em.

As for one religion being the only correct religion, that topic is quite complex & would deserve its own thread. Basically it works like a Body, each body part has a function. i.e. "The Body of Christ"

And that is relevant how?

Another verse from the Bible reminds Christians it is fruitless to get into religious disputes and discussion with a doctrinaire. So consider this my last post on the issue. I have nothing further to discuss on the topic with you.

Good Day,

Ah yes, the retort of the mindless lemmings who blindly follow faith. If something is too far beyond their ability to discuss or the knowledge they have, or they just plainly don't know, then don't discuss it.

I've likely been through the bible more than your entire congregation put together. But, thanks for playing Sh4dow, errr Doc. BTW, it would be much easier if you actually STUCK to one alter while doing this.

 

[indianburn]

Strongsmartsexy,

Did you use to be a minister or something?

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Strongsmartsexy,

Did you use to be a minister or something?

Yes.

 

[ChefWide]

Strongsmartsexy,

Did you use to be a minister or something?

Fallen Angel. But he landed on a nun, she broke his fall.

 

[Dalonia]

[No message]

 

[Y_lifter]

 

[indianburn]

Yes.

What made you lose your faith? And what exactly do you believe now? Just curious.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

What made you lose your faith? And what exactly do you believe now? Just curious.

You want that all in one thread?

Ever read "Letters from Earth?", if not do so then come ask your question again.

 

[indianburn]

You want that all in one thread?

Yes. But please keep it short because I hate reading.

 

[Dalonia]

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to strongsmartsexy again.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

What made you lose your faith? And what exactly do you believe now? Just curious.

I didn't lose faith. I just dumped that pile of nonsense commonly referred to as "Christianity".

 

[indianburn]

I didn't lose faith. I just dumped that pile of nonsense commonly referred to as "Christianity".

So you still believe Christ died for your sins?

 

[strongsmartsexy]

So you still believe Christ died for your sins?

I believe Christ died, I'm just not convinced he died when modern Christianity states it.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

The differences are that the "word of God" is different from one religion to another and is significantly different even within the "Christian" religions.

I've likely been through the bible more than your entire congregation put together. But, thanks for playing Sh4dow, errr Doc. BTW, it would be much easier if you actually STUCK to one alter while doing this.

SSS, you are entitled to your opinions. I disagree with you on many of these issues, yet I have no desire to hurl insults and sarcasam back & forth. I am not trying to change your opinions. I agree to disagree with you. The various doctrines and their translation of the Bible can be a confusing issue if you allow it to be. I am not confused by all the various doctrines, nor do I wish to engage in an arguement over Biblical issues.

As I already stated, there are warnings in the Bible about trivial discussions over doctrines. I am not the least concerned with your ministry past or how many times you read the Bible. I disagree with your statements about Christians in your other posts, and that is that.

Also, showing the pronunciation key for Christianity, does not mean Catholics and Christians are the same. Obviously, there are many differences which separates the two religions.

Good Day,

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Also, showing the pronunciation key for Christianity, does not mean Catholics and Christians are the same. Obviously, there are many differences which separates the two religions.

Good Day,

Catholics and Christians aren't two separate religions. Catholics are Christians. Lutherans are Christians, Presbeterians are Christians, 7th Day Adventists are Christians, pick any other PROTESTant sect and they're Christians. All of their belief systems are centered on Christ. Although there does tend to be some confusion at point about whether there is One God or Three, but that's just in the details.

 

[indianburn]

Catholics and Christians aren't two separate religions. Catholics are Christians. Lutherans are Christians, Presbeterians are Christians, 7th Day Adventists are Christians, pick any other PROTESTant sect and they're Christians. All of their belief systems are centered on Christ. Although there does tend to be some confusion at point about whether there is One God or Three, but that's just in the details.

What I think Sh4dowF4lcon is saying is that when you ask a catholic sometimes what they are they will say a catholic. Or if you ask a catholic why they think they are going to Heaven they will say because they are catholic instead of saying they believe that Christ died and rose for their sins. See the difference? Not just picking on catholics here either. Because there will be a bunch of baptist in hell too.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

SSS, you are entitled to your opinions. I disagree with you on many of these issues, yet I have no desire to hurl insults and sarcasam back & forth. I am not trying to change your opinions. I agree to disagree with you.

Great! Then I agree that we disagree also.

The various doctrines and their translation of the Bible can be a confusing issue if you allow it to be. I am not confused by all the various doctrines, nor do I wish to engage in an arguement over Biblical issues.

Non-critical evaluation of the theologies, doctrines and dogmas of the various sects of Christianity allows for one not to be confused. A Southern Baptist will believe as a Southern Baptist since nothing else is correct. It's what they're taught and what they've learned. The same is true for most other people in their own chosen sects of Christianity. It's great for the churches...

As I already stated, there are warnings in the Bible about trivial discussions over doctrines. I am not the least concerned with your ministry past or how many times you read the Bible. I disagree with your statements about Christians in your other posts, and that is that.

All discussions over this are trivial discussions. The reason I stated my past experience with religion and the bible is your assertion that I was ignorant about Christianity and it's teachings. It was false and utterly untrue.

Disagreement is alwasy welcome. It's the one thing that led me out of the pasture of sheep associated with Christianity and other religions.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

What I think Sh4dowF4lcon is saying is that when you ask a catholic sometimes what they are they will say a catholic. Or if you ask a catholic why they think they are going to Heaven they will say because they are catholic instead of saying they believe that Christ died and rose for their sins. See the difference? Not just picking on catholics here either. Because there will be a bunch of baptist in hell too.

All PROTESTant religions came out of Catholicism and have varying theologies, dogmas and doctrines, and all of them justified by each Christian sect as THE answer according to the SAME bible.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

Catholics and Christians aren't two separate religions. Catholics are Christians. Lutherans are Christians, Presbeterians are Christians, 7th Day Adventists are Christians, pick any other PROTESTant sect and they're Christians. All of their belief systems are centered on Christ. Although there does tend to be some confusion at point about whether there is One God or Three, but that's just in the details.

I am nondenominational (I dont do "baptist, lutheran, catholic etc....)
I go strictly by what is in the Bible, nothing added and nothing taken away. I do not argue over who believes what and who is right or wrong about God. I have Faith in God based on what I was taught, what I can read in the Bible, and it is centered on Christ as my Saviour, and the Bible as my handbook to help me understand what God expects of me.

Now Church of Christ sites this verse, "Make a melody within your heart..." They interpret that it means "no music in Church". Yet David danced through the streets playing tamberines and praising God. The Bible says, David was a man after God's own heart. So if instruments are bad, why would God call David a man after his own heart?

*nondenominational view*
Shame on COC and Pentecostals for debating how they praise God etc. They should have been praying together, praising together, showing charity one to another working together as a body. Everyone cannot be a foot, or a leg, because the body needs a foot & a leg & a stomach and a groin and arms and a head to function properly. The body of Christ requires many different parts, making one body. I am from the school of, "Let me take care of the tree in my eye, before I try to pull a splinter from your eye."

Now again I say, I disagree with you on some of your opinions and statements about Christianity. Especially about the trampeling all over others with wrong beliefs.

As for the hypocracy on this site (thread topic), well I see it different. It is a place to state your opinions. People's opinions are going to be different quite often. If SSS, was allowed to argue, but I was banned for disagreeing that would be hypocracy. People are entitled to their opinions, even when they are different from yours. that is part of what makes C&C great, you might get flamed for an opinion or you may flame another for their opinion, but at the end of the day you know where each other stands.

I strive for mutual respect & I try to avoid religious doctrinaires, there is nothing to be gained by arguing different doctrines and religious beliefs.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I am nondenominational (I dont do "baptist, lutheran, catholic etc....)

Ah, the new age of Christianity

I go strictly by what is in the Bible, nothing added and nothing taken away.

They believe the same thing. Even unto the point of "let him be accursed" for those who would change the doctrine of Christ.

I do not argue over who believes what and who is right or wrong about God. I have Faith in God based on what I was taught, what I can read in the Bible, and it is centered on Christ as my Saviour, and the Bible as my handbook to help me understand what God expects of me.

Which version of the bible do you use for this?

Now Church of Christ sites this verse, "Make a melody within your heart..." They interpret that it means "no music in Church". Yet David danced through the streets playing tamberines and praising God. The Bible says, David was a man after God's own heart. So if instruments are bad, why would God call David a man after his own heart?

A simple example of scripture is used for many meanings. If would be rather silly for churches now days to be limited to only the instruments available at the time of writing of the bible.

*nondenominational view*
Shame on COC and Pentecostals for debating how they praise God etc. They should have been praying together, praising together, showing charity one to another working together as a body. Everyone cannot be a foot, or a leg, because the body needs a foot & a leg & a stomach and a groin and arms and a head to function properly. The body of Christ requires many different parts, making one body. I am from the school of, "Let me take care of the tree in my eye, before I try to pull a splinter from your eye."

The latter is a good start. Although, then you'll find the Christians who've discovered that they are the ones who know what the bible really means, unlike all the others. And that since they have adhered to what they believe it's saying to them, then they're in the mode of pulling splinters out of everyone elses eye. I mean, after all, they have pulled the mote/tree out of their own eye. Hmmmmmmm, you must not use the King James version since you used the word tree in place of the word mote. Someone must have decided that the original translation was lacking and they knew of a better word to put in it's place. How intersting. I wonder how many other words they've changed and how it's impacted the overall meaning of what you're reading...

Now again I say, I disagree with you on some of your opinions and statements about Christianity. Especially about the trampeling all over others with wrong beliefs.

Well, you just need to relook at some of your responses to posts previous to see where you were not only willing to trample all over them for their beliefs but ridcule and call them names as well. Or does this only apply to religous beliefs? And how does it apply to the gay members of the Body of Christ?

As for the hypocracy on this site (thread topic), well I see it different. It is a place to state your opinions. People's opinions are going to be different quite often. If SSS, was allowed to argue, but I was banned for disagreeing that would be hypocracy. People are entitled to their opinions, even when they are different from yours. that is part of what makes C&C great, you might get flamed for an opinion or you may flame another for their opinion, but at the end of the day you know where each other stands.

We both agree on the above.

I strive for mutual respect & I try to avoid religious doctrinaires, there is nothing to be gained by arguing different doctrines and religious beliefs.

Admirable. Where is the dividing line between those who enter heaven and those who enter hell. Or doesn't your bible talk about the few and the many?

 

[jerseyart]

Wow,

This probably wasn't the best thread to choose opening first.

I haven't read every post, and frankly I'm almost sorry I read what I did. I don't want to get banned, at least not until I get my abs the way I want them.

My only point is the following. Most adults recognize there are a few areas of discussion where a modicum of consideration is justified. I have read several posters defend their "Constitutional right" to criticize whatever and whomever they wish. Certainly all human beings are entitled to free speech, even in those places where the governments don't allow the free and open practice.

But lets understand the following points. Free speech exists not because you choose to exercise the right, but because others have died and fought to earn that right for you. I cringe when those who are simply enjoying the spoils earned by others claim credit for the bounty of which they can partake.

As importantly, while you have the right to say what you wish, it isn't always best to exercise that right. I may think your wifes big lips would make her an ideal c. sucker, but it is probably not the best idea, or the noblest one, to walk up to the two of you and express that opinion out loud. Most mature adults understand that certain subjects are sacred to many, and common decency suggests that certain thoughts are better left unsaid. I think most people recognize that religion is just such a topic where a gentle hand should be employed.

There will always be those who imagine they are above such common conventions, just as their will always be children who wet the bed until late in life. For the most part it is best to sympathize with the interrupted development, and ignore the outbursts of a spoiled child with a great sense of entitlement.

 

[jackangel]

Wow,

This probably wasn't the best thread to choose opening first.

I haven't read every post, and frankly I'm almost sorry I read what I did. I don't want to get banned, at least not until I get my abs the way I want them.

My only point is the following. Most adults recognize there are a few areas of discussion where a modicum of consideration is justified. I have read several posters defend their "Constitutional right" to criticize whatever and whomever they wish. Certainly all human beings are entitled to free speech, even in those places where the governments don't allow the free and open practice.

But lets understand the following points. Free speech exists not because you choose to exercise the right, but because others have died and fought to earn that right for you. I cringe when those who are simply enjoying the spoils earned by others claim credit for the bounty of which they can partake.

As importantly, while you have the right to say what you wish, it isn't always best to exercise that right. I may think your wifes big lips would make her an ideal c. sucker, but it is probably not the best idea, or the noblest one, to walk up to the two of you and express that opinion out loud. Most mature adults understand that certain subjects are sacred to many, and common decency suggests that certain thoughts are better left unsaid. I think most people recognize that religion is just such a topic where a gentle hand should be employed.

There will always be those who imagine they are above such common conventions, just as their will always be children who wet the bed until late in life. For the most part it is best to sympathize with the interrupted development, and ignore the outbursts of a spoiled child with a great sense of entitlement.

good post.

 

[Gonzosc1]

The differences are that the "word of God" is different from one religion to another and is significantly different even within the "Christian" religions. They can't even figure out what the bible is saying and have created different churches to support different "truths". And each of them is more tha willing to condem the other to hell because they're not the same as their own. Each being the more enlighted of course. How could they not be? If they though something else or believed something else is more true, wouldn't they change their beliefs? They have to be "right" or the penalty is everlasting hell. Isn't that a wonder little viscious dependency?

right on the money there!

 

[jackangel]

the following people made great posts that i support 100%:

y_lifter, chefwide, ivanoffelitch, strongsmartsexy, docholiday, shadowfalcon, bbf, et al.

the following people made absolutely no sense and should really get their heads checked:

y_lifter, chefwide, ivanoffelitch, strongsmartsexy, docholiday, shadowfalcon, bbf, et al.

 

[jerseyart]

"Originally Posted by strongsmartsexy
The differences are that the "word of God" is different from one religion to another and is significantly different even within the "Christian" religions. They can't even figure out what the bible is saying and have created different churches to support different "truths". And each of them is more tha willing to condem the other to hell because they're not the same as their own. Each being the more enlighted of course. How could they not be? If they though something else or believed something else is more true, wouldn't they change their beliefs? They have to be "right" or the penalty is everlasting hell. Isn't that a wonder little viscious dependency? "

Actually that post is only superficially accurate. While the various Christian denominations (aside from Catholics) disagree with various particulars, they all agree on the concept of salvation. So I know of no Pentecostals that believe a Baptist or a Methodist will burn in hell for not practicing in exactly the same way as themselves.

Seperately Catholic doctrine is that people of any religion, or no religion, can go to heaven. It's more difficult relatively in some respects, but it isn't as totalitarian as you suggest.

As for "Each being the more enlighted of course" who is that not true of, regardless of beliefs? Are atheists any less arrogant in their presumptions. Certainly that has not been my experience. Are they any less vocal about "enlightening" the rest of the world as to their folly and silly superstitions?

In condeming the rest, you have demonstrated yourself to be no different than any of them. You have your opinion, and you imagine it to be the most "tolerant,truthful, and intelligent" of them all.

 

[bluepeter]

What I think Sh4dowF4lcon is saying is that when you ask a catholic sometimes what they are they will say a catholic. Or if you ask a catholic why they think they are going to Heaven they will say because they are catholic instead of saying they believe that Christ died and rose for their sins. See the difference? Not just picking on catholics here either. Because there will be a bunch of baptist in hell too.

I believe that's the kind of rubbish that we are talking about here. Anyone who is not 'your kind' of Christian (even though Catholics and Baptists and Lutherans and Presbeterians ad nauseum are also Christian) is going to hell. Absolute total ridiculous bullshit. If you believe in a benevolent and almighty God along with the concept of heaven and hell, would you not think that anyone with a good and pure heart regardless of whether or not they believe exactly what you do, would be a good candidate for heaven? As opposed to only your very specific little sect of religious believers that differ very little from millions of others?

I don't believe in God or follow any type of religion but I have no problem with those that do until someone says some bullshit like that. I'm a good person, I don't kill people, I don't steal, I am faithful to my wife, I love my kids, I work hard, are you telling me I can't get into heaven (not that I believe in it) because I don't believe what some books written 300 years after a man (of which there is no proof even existed) supposedly died? I would venture to state that I am a better human being than many of your ilk, do they still get in while I'm left out?

Believe what you may, it's your right, but don't preach that shit to me. Don't tell me I'm going to hell because I don't blindly believe in something of which there is no proof or because I interpret a few phrases in the Bible differently than you do.

I hope you get into 'heaven' for what it's worth, I'll see you there.

 

[TheProject]

I can't believe people want to make this site more homogenized than it already is.

 

[tokyosportsjp]

Arent Protestants just Catholics who are protesting about the popes dubious carry on?

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Nothing brings out the pseudo-intellectuals on this board quicker than a thread about religion and/ or politics

 

[strongsmartsexy]

strongsmartsexy
The differences are that the "word of God" is different from one religion to another and is significantly different even within the "Christian" religions. They can't even figure out what the bible is saying and have created different churches to support different "truths". And each of them is more tha willing to condem the other to hell because they're not the same as their own. Each being the more enlighted of course. How could they not be? If they though something else or believed something else is more true, wouldn't they change their beliefs? They have to be "right" or the penalty is everlasting hell. Isn't that a wonder little viscious dependency? "

Actually that post is only superficially accurate. While the various Christian denominations (aside from Catholics) disagree with various particulars, they all agree on the concept of salvation. So I know of no Pentecostals that believe a Baptist or a Methodist will burn in hell for not practicing in exactly the same way as themselves.

I don't know where you get your information about Catholics, but it's highly inaccurate. My mother in law is 75 and has been Catholic since the day she was conceived. If you ask her who's going to heaven she'll tell you flat out, that those who believe in Jesus as their savior, that he died on the cross and was resurrected and went back to heaven, are baptised in the name of Jesus... will go to heaven. She completely understands the Christian fundamentals of "salvation".

See, if your assertion is correct about who will or won't go to hell, then you basically have all Christians (Catholics, Protestants and those who can't figure out what they are, better known as non-denominational) going to heaven. COOL! I love it!

Seperately Catholic doctrine is that people of any religion, or no religion, can go to heaven. It's more difficult relatively in some respects, but it isn't as totalitarian as you suggest.

See above.

As for "Each being the more enlighted of course" who is that not true of, regardless of beliefs? Are atheists any less arrogant in their presumptions. Certainly that has not been my experience. Are they any less vocal about "enlightening" the rest of the world as to their folly and silly superstitions?

The difference is that you don't see them out trying to "convert" or "save" those not of the same "faith". From a Christian's perspective atheists and those who haven't been "saved" are going to hell and only their group of common believers are going to heaven. There aren't large buildings cowering behind tax evasion, errr tax shelters, err non-profit organizations on many corners of cities all over the US bring people to the "light" of atheism.

In condeming the rest, you have demonstrated yourself to be no different than any of them. You have your opinion, and you imagine it to be the most "tolerant,truthful, and intelligent" of them all.

Nice try, but I'm not condeming any of them. And, my state of being is just that MY state of being. I don't expect that I'll convince anyone to believe as I do and I also don't have expectations that if they don't believe they'll perish in ever lasting hell.

We all have opinions and things we believe. We all feel that we're tolerant, truthful and intelligent. DUH! If we felt any different about ourselves, we'd do something to change it. So, in fact, what you've managed to do is attribute condemnation to me, which I haven't done. Then you followed it up with making me the same as any of them, which is a good thing. And then you falsely stated that I imagine my opinions to be the most "blah, blah" of them all. Which is also not correct. I guess you missed out on the whole not judging part of Christianity spoken of before... (Yes, this is intentionally a trap)

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Nothing brings out the pseudo-intellectuals on this board quicker than a thread about anything at all

Yes, and not to mention those who won't step into the fray but will cast aspersions and snide comments as if that makes them any more intellectual.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I can't believe people want to make this site more homogenized than it already is.

That would make it so dull and boring and likely cause it's death.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Yes, and not to mention those who won't step into the fray but will cast aspersions and snide comments as if that makes them any more intellectual.

Yea, damn gutless arseholes

 

[jerseyart]

Strongsmartsexy,

Yours" don't know where you get your information about Catholics, but it's highly inaccurate. My mother in law is 75 and has been Catholic since the day she was conceived. If you ask her who's going to heaven she'll tell you flat out, that those who believe in Jesus..."

With all due deference to your grandmother, she is incorrect. As a general rule it is best not to use the laity as the singular source of your information, since most have only an incomplete or oft mistaken understanding of doctrine. It would be akin to my claiming that "Elite" was a terrible board because one poster recommended the Krispy Kreme diet.

Catholic doctrine includes the teaching of "Invincible Ignorance." In short it states that if someone follows the natural law (ie is a good person who tries to do good), but for whatever reason is not aware of, or has never been taught about, Catholicism, they can be saved. In practice it means that while it is arguably easier to enter heaven with the guidance of the Church and the sacraments, it is not the only way into heaven. Christians sometimes confuse this doctrine to mean that Christ isn't necessary to the process, which isn't the case. We are all potentially saved because of Christ, but that doesn't mean only those who are aware of His existence can be saved.

"See, if your assertion is correct about who will or won't go to hell, then you basically have all Christians (Catholics, Protestants and those who can't figure out what they are, better known as non-denominational) going to heaven"

As well as jews,muslims,budhists, atheists etc etc. No one is exempt

"And then you falsely stated that I imagine my opinions to be the most "blah, blah" of them all. Which is also not correct. I guess you missed out on the whole not judging part of Christianity spoken of before... (Yes, this is intentionally a trap)"

I have no desire to get into a pissing match over this topic. I try to only get upset over important subjects, like football or girls.

And I wasn't attempting to insult you. I was trying to communciate what a few others have already pointed out, and which you seem to be missing in my arrogant opinion.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

You need to learn how to quote so this is easier to read.

Strongsmartsexy,

"I don't know where you get your information about Catholics, but it's highly inaccurate. My mother in law is 75 and has been Catholic since the day she was conceived. If you ask her who's going to heaven she'll tell you flat out, that those who believe in Jesus..."

With all due deference to your grandmother, she is incorrect. As a general rule it is best not to use the laity as the singular source of your information, since most have only an incomplete or oft mistaken understanding of doctrine. It would be akin to my claiming that "Elite" was a terrible board because one poster recommended the Krispy Kreme diet.

And from your reading on this thread you've decided that my only source of information about Catholocism is from her?

"Catholic doctrine includes the teaching of "Invincible Ignorance." In short it states that if someone follows the natural law (ie is a good person who tries to do good), but for whatever reason is not aware of, or has never been taught about, Catholicism, they can be saved. In practice it means that while it is arguably easier to enter heaven with the guidance of the Church and the sacraments, it is not the only way into heaven. Christians sometimes confuse this doctrine to mean that Christ isn't necessary to the process, which isn't the case. We are all potentially saved because of Christ, but that doesn't mean only those who are aware of His existence can be saved.

Yes, that is correct. However, what is the total of Catholic doctrine, dogmas and theology is not presented to all audiences. I can almost imagine you trying to describe that to my mother in law, who's an immigrant from Italy and just barely comprehends and speaks broken English. Even at the time I was a Catholic in my youth, they taught very differently from what they do now.

"See, if your assertion is correct about who will or won't go to hell, then you basically have all Christians (Catholics, Protestants and those who can't figure out what they are, better known as non-denominational) going to heaven"

As well as jews,muslims,budhists, atheists etc etc. No one is exempt

Very nice I like that plan. Everyone goes to heaven.

"And then you falsely stated that I imagine my opinions to be the most "blah, blah" of them all. Which is also not correct. I guess you missed out on the whole not judging part of Christianity spoken of before... (Yes, this is intentionally a trap)"

I have no desire to get into a pissing match over this topic. I try to only get upset over important subjects, like football or girls.

And I wasn't attempting to insult you. I was trying to communciate what a few others have already pointed out, and which you seem to be missing in my arrogant opinion.

That I'm missing what?

 

[jerseyart]

strongsmartsexy

You need to learn how to quote so this is easier to read.

Hopefully this works.

And from your reading on this thread you've decided that my only source of information about Catholocism is from her?

I didn't "decide" anything. You chose to reference your grandmother as your source, not me. If you had another, you should have mentioned it as well. In any case whatever your source, your contention was incorrect.

Yes, that is correct. However, what is the total of Catholic doctrine, dogmas and theology is not presented to all audiences. I can almost imagine you trying to describe that to my mother in law, who's an immigrant from Italy and just barely comprehends and speaks broken English. Even at the time I was a Catholic in my youth, they taught very differently from what they do now.

That has always been Catholic doctrine, and it was taught consistently well before your great grandmother was born. I'm not certain as to what you are attempting to communicate. There is a ton of bodybuilding information on this site. The fact that I haven't as of yet read 1/1000th of it doesn't make it any less real or valid.

Very nice I like that plan. Everyone goes to heaven.

I hope so as well. But remember, either way, you have to be a good person. So I suspect there are many, perhaps myself included, who won't make it there.

That I'm missing what?

I suspect you know. In any case I made my opinions public, do with them what you will

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Well, you still need to learn how to quote, but this will do for the moment.

I didn't "decide" anything. You chose to reference your grandmother as your source, not me. If you had another, you should have mentioned it as well. In any case whatever your source, your contention was incorrect.

I'm not sure what it is you think my contention is.

That has always been Catholic doctrine, and it was taught consistently well before your great grandmother was born. I'm not certain as to what you are attempting to communicate. There is a ton of bodybuilding information on this site. The fact that I haven't as of yet read 1/1000th of it doesn't make it any less real or valid.

I went through Cathacism and didn't learn any of what you described at all. It wasn't until much later studies I found out the vast array of what composes the beliefs of the Catholic church. Most of that information is unknown or not taught to the masses. No matter how much doctrine, dogman, theology they have in the Catholic church it's what the people who go to church bring away from it that represents what they're taught.

I hope so as well. But remember, either way, you have to be a good person. So I suspect there are many, perhaps myself included, who won't make it there.

Um, now this is where things get all hazy and confusing. What exactly IS "good"?

That I'm missing what?

I suspect you know. In any case I made my opinions public, do with them what you will

If I knew, I wouldn't have asked. If I am deliberatly asking what I believe I already know, I'll make it clear that I do. Otherwise, I'm asking because I want to know. This medium is not exactly the best at relaying information. What you think you have made clear may be absolute darkness.