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The Folly of Personal Training in Las Vegas

ooghost1oo

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The Folly of Personal Training in Las Vegas
________________________________________________

If I heard myself, back in early 2007, listing the reasons why personal fitness training was a good business to get into, I would still listen to that person, and still even be inspired by that person, but I wouldn't do it again in Las Vegas. The industry is, and will be for quite some time, a great one. Full of promise, brimming with potential profit, and reaching far into the trends of the future. However, an aspiring trainer must consider more than his love of the
job and his own skill. There are things to consider in the environment, and,
above all, inside one's self.

I am guilty of the crime of self-dishonesty. I held faith in the blind, emotion-bourne hope of the way things should have been, instead of respecting reality. Since far back in the beginning of my stint as a trainer, I saw the signs, though I convinced myself blind. I felt the distortions of the market, though I justified my instincts away. In the end, it took a long time to realize and spell out the most basic of reasons why I would fail as a trainer: I refused to hustle people. My integrity would not allow me to stoop to the level of hard-selling personal training, because I believed in the concept of the soft-sell in order to attract only the serious potential clients. The ones that would stick around, show results through their own convictions, and make my professional reputation.

The problem with this integral approach, was the over-saturation of trainers. Those potential clients that truly felt the need to change themselves and seek out a trainer for the long term were few and far between. Take my (one) steady client, for instance: he came to me, professed his intentions, and stayed with me until today. But, any one of those rare, dedicated individuals, could choose from hundreds of trainers. And if they came across a volume-hungry, fast-talking pseudo-trainer (which were quite prevalent), forget it.

So, picking up real clients was either the luck of the draw -- the right place at the right time -- or by referrals from the real clients you already had. Unfortunately, my one real client, through his social hobbies, never came across any prospects.

In the ideal environment, a theoretical vaccuum, potential clients, especially those participating in membership-included personal training sessions, would see the value of a trainer's regular direction, motivation, and scientific knowledge. Following the logical conclusion of their original intentions of getting back to the gym, it would be in these peoples' best interests to purchase the further services of the trainer, at least once a week. Of course, human beings are rarely logical, particularly when it comes to such emotionally-driven aspects of their lives as their appearance, body-fat, diet habits, etc. Human beings are also easily swayed away from following through with things, especially in Las Vegas, such a fickle and transient city.

The gym in which I worked offers a free personal training session, every month, to its members. Because of this, potential clients who are already finicky and undisciplined, would be even less likely to take their training to the next level, when they can just follow their prescribed routine and have it updated month to month. This, combined with the over-saturation of trainers (good, bad, and downright incompetent) leaves slim pickings. So, what happens? Less ethical trainers hard-sell.

Hard-selling personal training leads to three things: bad results, a bad reputation for the industry, and a distorted market. Bad results, because a hard-sell picks up clients who were never serious enough to follow through with their programs, so never really get anywhere. Because hard-sell clients come and go much more than dedicated clients, the hard-sell trainer must focus more on volume than on quality. Due to the lack of quality (and believe me -- I've seen a lot of that), the hard-sold, never-serious clients may feel cheated and disillusioned with training, which hurts the reputation and profitability of the real trainers out there. Now, the industry (at least at that particular gym chain in Las Vegas) is distorted, because the real trainers make themselves available and approachable, but the hard-sell trainers are all over everybody like car salesmen, hustling, flirting, and convincing their way into half-hearted training sessions, and all the potential clients out there (serious or not) never know what they're gonna get.

On top of this market distortion and the plethora of fake trainers overshadowing those noble to the profession, the gym has seized the opportunity to exploit the trainers who already struggle to play the game. It charges ludicrous 'rent' of the facility, or allows the trainer to work off the rent instead for so many hours a week at a pay rate that is hardly better than indentured servitude. You can also advertise in their magazines. At one point, brainstorming ways to get exposure, I thought I'd write an article or two to sell to the magazine. Then I found that I would not be selling the articles, but actually paying for them to be published. Like another form of advertising. Ridiculous.

The gym makes a fortune off of the trainers, a monthly amount that likely rivals the income from memberships. And they keep hiring more, more to work for chicken-feed, more to pay rent and multitudes of advertising fees, more and more when there's already too many, with little to no standards for intelligence, knowledge, experience, and work ethic. Thus further spirals out of control the struggle of the trainers, the need for the hard sell (and market distortions that come with it), and the disappointment and mishandling of clients. And the gym profits from it all.

There are ways to solve these problems, of course, but to raise the quality of training and the availability of clients would not be worth the business's bottom line. So, I won't go into these things. Maybe things are different at the other gyms in town, or maybe Vegas is too fickle and uncommitted for old-school training.

From what I've come to understand, from my own experience and from the words of wiser fellow trainers, there are three ways to get clients. One is referrals. That seems to be the supreme pull for new business. Of course, you need real clients before other real clients can be referred to you. The other way is to have a magnificent body. Your body is your business card. The other way is to hustle people. Otherwise, all you can do is be available, and dedicated potentials will drop out of the sky once and a great while.

One of the more experienced and ethical trainers I knew only acquired clients from such strikes of lightning, and referrals. He's been doing it for decades, and never hard-sells. He may have someone approach him ever nine to twelve months. Everything else is from referrals. Doing it this way takes time -- and the money or another job to ride out the long, long time it takes to pick up enough people to live off of.

Outside marketing doesn't seem to work much, from the limited amount I tried (of course, I could have done more), and from what I hear from the other trainers. Even advertising in the gym's magazine doesn't pull much (from what I heard -- I never felt the potential was great enough to risk the fee). Maybe one or two people, according to those who have done it. I tried forming relationships with doctors to refer back and forth. That was a far shot. Forget it. You have to be in thick with a doctor or chiropractor to be fed referrals that way, to have a doctor risk his license. I never got a single reply.

If you want to be a trainer, and are good enough to know what you're doing and take pride in your work, you'll have to realize:

1. It's really hard to get started. Takes a long, hungry time. Everybody's hungry. It's cut-throat, and the gym wants a (disproportionate) piece of you. Check out the environment and atmosphere (especially behind the scenes) of where you intend to train. I've heard of other places that are better. Even other cities where it would be inconceivable to charge 'rent'.

2. You'll have to look good enough to have people approach you and want to look like you. Or, you'll have to hustle people. Or, you'll have to wait a long, long time for random potential clients and the referrals they might bring.
I haven't been training myself long enough to inspire awe in others. I value my integrity more than the convenience of hustling, and I've been waiting long enough.

3. It will never be stable. Clients come. Clients go. No benefits, no steady income. Even that experienced and ethical trainer I mentioned earlier has been on hard times lately, because his clients (of many years) have been dropping off, and he hasn't been picking anyone up to replace them. He told me that if he could go back, he wouldn't do it again.

4. Training should be a second job. A small thing on the side of something steady, at least until you hit it off. You can't just quit your job, say "I want to be a trainer", and dive in guns blazing (as I did), unless you are willing to hustle people. Without the hard sell, it's a business of patience.

5. If you are a hard-sell trainer, a hustler, who spends most of your sessions chatting and bullshitting and flirting with your client instead of paying attention to his/her form (if you even know about proper form and biomechanics), you're messing things up for everybody, destroying your credibility, and reducing the future profitability of the business.

I still love training. What a way to make money! Being paid for the fruits of my intellect instead of selling my time to work for some employer's goals. Being the hero of the client who I motivated and helped pull out of a hole; made them stronger, leaner, healthier, feel better about themselves, reversed their osteoporosis, lowered their blood pressure. On a societal scale, I'm furthering the cause of health and fitness, fighting against the epidemic of 'civilization disease', one person at a time. Very noble work.

Armed with new knowledge and experience, I'll likely train again, but always as something on the side. Never as a sole source of income, and never as a career -- never as something from which to build a life, support a family.

That bears emphasis: training is not a career. At least, not if you're ethical. If you're a hustler, and can deal with your lack of principles, you can always round up a quantity of "here for a little while" clients, but it's still unstable. If you are ethical, and make it into a thirty year business without hustling, it'll take time, and you'll make it (if you can last), but you'd better be investing money away into plans for the future, because it can all disappear. They come and go, and that's all there is.
 
Too long.
 
I think it is important that you took the time to write your observations about Personal Training in Las Vegas. I'm sorry that you've become disillusioned with the industry, or at least with what you've seen of it.

It is true, that there are some people out there that are hurting the reputation of the industry. It is the hope of many that there are Personal Trainers like you who want to be in the fitness industry because they truly feel that they can help people and have a passion for sharing that fitness knowledge.

Without knowing your educational background, but seeing that you do have the passion to make a career out of Personal Training, I may be playing the optimist, but I think that you have what it takes to succeed despite what you see around you.

Good luck in your fitness search,
Boh

David I. Bohmiller, BS, NSCA-CSCS
President/Owner
My Personal Trainer School
http://www.my-personal-trainer-school.com
 
This very same reason why I failed as a trainer. I couldn't sell the packages especially to people who didn't have the money. I keep my certification so I can learn new concepts and keep myself on my toes. Occasionally, I train people who I know have money and are motivated to workout, otherwise, I teach classes (Pilates and spin).
 
ooghost1oo said:
The Folly of Personal Training in Las Vegas
________________________________________________

If I heard myself, back in early 2007, listing the reasons why personal fitness training was a good business to get into, I would still listen to that person, and still even be inspired by that person, but I wouldn't do it again in Las Vegas. The industry is, and will be for quite some time, a great one. Full of promise, brimming with potential profit, and reaching far into the trends of the future. However, an aspiring trainer must consider more than his love of the
job and his own skill. There are things to consider in the environment, and,
above all, inside one's self.

I am guilty of the crime of self-dishonesty. I held faith in the blind, emotion-bourne hope of the way things should have been, instead of respecting reality. Since far back in the beginning of my stint as a trainer, I saw the signs, though I convinced myself blind. I felt the distortions of the market, though I justified my instincts away. In the end, it took a long time to realize and spell out the most basic of reasons why I would fail as a trainer: I refused to hustle people. My integrity would not allow me to stoop to the level of hard-selling personal training, because I believed in the concept of the soft-sell in order to attract only the serious potential clients. The ones that would stick around, show results through their own convictions, and make my professional reputation.

The problem with this integral approach, was the over-saturation of trainers. Those potential clients that truly felt the need to change themselves and seek out a trainer for the long term were few and far between. Take my (one) steady client, for instance: he came to me, professed his intentions, and stayed with me until today. But, any one of those rare, dedicated individuals, could choose from hundreds of trainers. And if they came across a volume-hungry, fast-talking pseudo-trainer (which were quite prevalent), forget it.

So, picking up real clients was either the luck of the draw -- the right place at the right time -- or by referrals from the real clients you already had. Unfortunately, my one real client, through his social hobbies, never came across any prospects.

In the ideal environment, a theoretical vaccuum, potential clients, especially those participating in membership-included personal training sessions, would see the value of a trainer's regular direction, motivation, and scientific knowledge. Following the logical conclusion of their original intentions of getting back to the gym, it would be in these peoples' best interests to purchase the further services of the trainer, at least once a week. Of course, human beings are rarely logical, particularly when it comes to such emotionally-driven aspects of their lives as their appearance, body-fat, diet habits, etc. Human beings are also easily swayed away from following through with things, especially in Las Vegas, such a fickle and transient city.

The gym in which I worked offers a free personal training session, every month, to its members. Because of this, potential clients who are already finicky and undisciplined, would be even less likely to take their training to the next level, when they can just follow their prescribed routine and have it updated month to month. This, combined with the over-saturation of trainers (good, bad, and downright incompetent) leaves slim pickings. So, what happens? Less ethical trainers hard-sell.

Hard-selling personal training leads to three things: bad results, a bad reputation for the industry, and a distorted market. Bad results, because a hard-sell picks up clients who were never serious enough to follow through with their programs, so never really get anywhere. Because hard-sell clients come and go much more than dedicated clients, the hard-sell trainer must focus more on volume than on quality. Due to the lack of quality (and believe me -- I've seen a lot of that), the hard-sold, never-serious clients may feel cheated and disillusioned with training, which hurts the reputation and profitability of the real trainers out there. Now, the industry (at least at that particular gym chain in Las Vegas) is distorted, because the real trainers make themselves available and approachable, but the hard-sell trainers are all over everybody like car salesmen, hustling, flirting, and convincing their way into half-hearted training sessions, and all the potential clients out there (serious or not) never know what they're gonna get.

On top of this market distortion and the plethora of fake trainers overshadowing those noble to the profession, the gym has seized the opportunity to exploit the trainers who already struggle to play the game. It charges ludicrous 'rent' of the facility, or allows the trainer to work off the rent instead for so many hours a week at a pay rate that is hardly better than indentured servitude. You can also advertise in their magazines. At one point, brainstorming ways to get exposure, I thought I'd write an article or two to sell to the magazine. Then I found that I would not be selling the articles, but actually paying for them to be published. Like another form of advertising. Ridiculous.

The gym makes a fortune off of the trainers, a monthly amount that likely rivals the income from memberships. And they keep hiring more, more to work for chicken-feed, more to pay rent and multitudes of advertising fees, more and more when there's already too many, with little to no standards for intelligence, knowledge, experience, and work ethic. Thus further spirals out of control the struggle of the trainers, the need for the hard sell (and market distortions that come with it), and the disappointment and mishandling of clients. And the gym profits from it all.

There are ways to solve these problems, of course, but to raise the quality of training and the availability of clients would not be worth the business's bottom line. So, I won't go into these things. Maybe things are different at the other gyms in town, or maybe Vegas is too fickle and uncommitted for old-school training.

From what I've come to understand, from my own experience and from the words of wiser fellow trainers, there are three ways to get clients. One is referrals. That seems to be the supreme pull for new business. Of course, you need real clients before other real clients can be referred to you. The other way is to have a magnificent body. Your body is your business card. The other way is to hustle people. Otherwise, all you can do is be available, and dedicated potentials will drop out of the sky once and a great while.

One of the more experienced and ethical trainers I knew only acquired clients from such strikes of lightning, and referrals. He's been doing it for decades, and never hard-sells. He may have someone approach him ever nine to twelve months. Everything else is from referrals. Doing it this way takes time -- and the money or another job to ride out the long, long time it takes to pick up enough people to live off of.

Outside marketing doesn't seem to work much, from the limited amount I tried (of course, I could have done more), and from what I hear from the other trainers. Even advertising in the gym's magazine doesn't pull much (from what I heard -- I never felt the potential was great enough to risk the fee). Maybe one or two people, according to those who have done it. I tried forming relationships with doctors to refer back and forth. That was a far shot. Forget it. You have to be in thick with a doctor or chiropractor to be fed referrals that way, to have a doctor risk his license. I never got a single reply.

If you want to be a trainer, and are good enough to know what you're doing and take pride in your work, you'll have to realize:

1. It's really hard to get started. Takes a long, hungry time. Everybody's hungry. It's cut-throat, and the gym wants a (disproportionate) piece of you. Check out the environment and atmosphere (especially behind the scenes) of where you intend to train. I've heard of other places that are better. Even other cities where it would be inconceivable to charge 'rent'.

2. You'll have to look good enough to have people approach you and want to look like you. Or, you'll have to hustle people. Or, you'll have to wait a long, long time for random potential clients and the referrals they might bring.
I haven't been training myself long enough to inspire awe in others. I value my integrity more than the convenience of hustling, and I've been waiting long enough.

3. It will never be stable. Clients come. Clients go. No benefits, no steady income. Even that experienced and ethical trainer I mentioned earlier has been on hard times lately, because his clients (of many years) have been dropping off, and he hasn't been picking anyone up to replace them. He told me that if he could go back, he wouldn't do it again.

4. Training should be a second job. A small thing on the side of something steady, at least until you hit it off. You can't just quit your job, say "I want to be a trainer", and dive in guns blazing (as I did), unless you are willing to hustle people. Without the hard sell, it's a business of patience.

5. If you are a hard-sell trainer, a hustler, who spends most of your sessions chatting and bullshitting and flirting with your client instead of paying attention to his/her form (if you even know about proper form and biomechanics), you're messing things up for everybody, destroying your credibility, and reducing the future profitability of the business.

I still love training. What a way to make money! Being paid for the fruits of my intellect instead of selling my time to work for some employer's goals. Being the hero of the client who I motivated and helped pull out of a hole; made them stronger, leaner, healthier, feel better about themselves, reversed their osteoporosis, lowered their blood pressure. On a societal scale, I'm furthering the cause of health and fitness, fighting against the epidemic of 'civilization disease', one person at a time. Very noble work.

Armed with new knowledge and experience, I'll likely train again, but always as something on the side. Never as a sole source of income, and never as a career -- never as something from which to build a life, support a family.

That bears emphasis: training is not a career. At least, not if you're ethical. If you're a hustler, and can deal with your lack of principles, you can always round up a quantity of "here for a little while" clients, but it's still unstable. If you are ethical, and make it into a thirty year business without hustling, it'll take time, and you'll make it (if you can last), but you'd better be investing money away into plans for the future, because it can all disappear. They come and go, and that's all there is.


wow, really sad post. really really sad post. I too work at Las Vegas Athletic Club. I paid my dues as a "yellow shirt" and donated 300 hours of service in order to "pay rent" and now THRIVE in the environment as an independent personal trainer making $85 per session. LVAC has a member base of over 200,ooo members... how can you go wrong?
It took me 6 months to build a strong client base of 100% retention....... and now have a wait list with deposits paid for the new club opening in May. I work 45+ hours per week at 1 club, and it's not even the busiest.... I work at the smallest one. Vegas IS saturated, but if you're good, it does not matter... you will get clients... Vegas is one of the best places to be a trainer... this city is alll about appearance... I can't believe you could fail here.
 
ooghost1oo said:
The Folly of Personal Training in Las Vegas
That bears emphasis: training is not a career. At least, not if you're ethical. If you're a hustler, and can deal with your lack of principles, you can always round up a quantity of "here for a little while" clients, but it's still unstable. If you are ethical, and make it into a thirty year business without hustling, it'll take time, and you'll make it (if you can last), but you'd better be investing money away into plans for the future, because it can all disappear. They come and go, and that's all there is.


I understand where you are coming from because things didn't work out for you, but bullshit. You don't have to be a hustler or have a lack of pricipals to be successful. I know a lot of guys and a few girls who live off of training. They make decent money, set their own hours, and are really happpy. But you know what they all have in common? They great results, are realistic and up front with clients, and get their OWN name out. You can't rely on others to make you successful or to get you clients. It helps, no doubt, but you have to build your own reputation. Helping the clients get good results will bring people to you. But sell yourself. If you just are bland, lack a personality, ect, then the clients aren't going to enjoy working with you. Adapt to their personality. Some want to be pushed, some want laid back, some want a very varied approach (doing volume training one day, circuit the next, ect,), and some want to know what exactly they will be doing for the next workout.
No matter what job you have, investing for the future is important. Not just training.
As for it all can disappear, thats just life. Deal with it. One heart attack, car wreck, fire, ect and anything is gone. Why live life if you fear everything is going to fail?
 
Personal Training Is Survival Of The Fittest

Sorry it didn't work out for you man -
Almost all of us trainers got a sob story like you -
But we fought through it and came out the other side -
This is not a traditional profession - it's survival of the fittest -

Needless to say but I've got a different feeling about this than you -
I think Personal Training is the world's best profession - here are the reasons why:

* The work is very simple: For the overwhelming majority of the Personal Trainers, their main job is guiding and mentoring the general population in the area of fitness. We help people that know little about exercise or have any significant ability, and tell them what to do. Hardly any advanced, highly specialized knowledge is required for the work a trainer does on a daily basis.

* The field is very exciting: After all, it’s fitness - there are millions of people that spend every minute of their free time working-out and learning about fitness. But Trainers are the only ones that get paid to do it. When you think about it, we actually get paid to look good: just like models, athletes, or actors, who are among the most highly glorified people in our society. Who doesn’t want to look and feel great? If you haven’t tried, I’d highly recommend it!

* The people you get to work with are exceptional: The service of training has traditionally been geared toward the highest earning and most successful people in our society. They typically are the people that are too busy and tired from work to exercise on their own. In that case they hire someone to stand there and make them do it. Beyond just a client base, you gain a social circle of some of the highest paid, most respected people in our society. My steady client base consists of a Harvard lawyer, high-ranking business execs, actors, models, and a major hotel magnate.

* You don’t need a long, expensive college degree to get started: Even though a Personal Trainer can make more than a high-end lawyer (which we’ll discuss later), they don’t have to go through the nearly 10 years of schooling and work experience to get started. All it takes is a decision. In fact, the highest qualification most Personal Trainers have, even the ones you see on TV training celebrities and models, is a simple weekend certification. That’s all that’s separating you from geting started in this amazing field.

* The field is very high paying: The average rate for trainers is $60 per hour, but that’s just the average. If you make the decision to be perceived as above average (which isn’t asking too much, is it?), it’s much closer to $100. Most people in our society have to go through more than a decade of graduate schooling, work experience, and ungodly hours to earn that much. It’s true that an independent trainer can’t realistically work 50 hours a week (if they have a life!), but if they form an S-Corp they can keep nearly all of their earnings and earn a take-home income of nearly $100,000, easily putting them in the top 10% of wage earners in our society.

* It has a high rate of consumption: People go to their chiropractors at most once a month, nutritionists at most once every three months, and there doctor and dentist as little as possible! Considering this, these other professionals need a huge number of clients to stay viable. They have to go to extraordinary lengths to gain qualifications to set them apart from their competitors. And managed health-care has robbed most health professions of their high earnings. But Training is completely different. People see their trainers a minimum of twice, usually three times, and as many as four or five times a week. When you consider this, you only need a float of about a dozen steady clients to have a viable, thriving training practice. Since most clients hire trainers indefinitely, at a certain point a trainer no longer has to market and may cease to even accept new clients. And most surprising of all, Personal Training has less competition than any of these other health fields, a situation that’s hard to believe but true!

* High-level trainers get a lot of respect: They have a certain mystique about them and people feel a certain prestige to train with them. It’s not uncommon for these trainers to lead fast-paced adventurous life-styles. Clients prefer trainers like this because it gives them an escape from their own boring , monotonous lives. They like a trainer that lives the fitness lifestyle, has a good personality, and great experiences to share. The rely on their trainer for not only their fitness needs, but also as a trusted adviser and confidant.

* Complete freedom: Personal Trainers set their own hours, have track-suits as their primary uniforms, and bodybuilding and fitness magazines as their text books. Health club memberships, trips to training conferences, and fitness classes are all tax deductible expenses for them.

* The sky’s the limit: While getting to the top-level of Personal Trainers carries with it a six-figure salary, the common bench-mark of success in our society, this is hardly the limit. The health and wellness field is growing faster than almost any other business sector in our society: it’s being hailed as the next trillion dollar industry. Personal Training allows someone to enter this field without any barriers. They can gain experience, learn a specialty, and establish contacts, all the while earning a high income in the process. What results are the skills and abilities to move on in the field. After a few years of being a mentor to high-level people, sharing in their lifestyles and learning from them, earning a six-figure salary yourself, and being respected and esteemed as a fit, focused professional, it’s clear that a trainer is poised to jump right into and succeed in any related business project that this tremendous field makes available to them. This could be in Personal Training or any other neighboring area of the wellness industry. You hear this story so many times among trainers that it’s a cliche. And this can all happen in the span of just a few years. In less time than most people take to earn a bachelors degree (which gives them the right to earn less than 40K a year), top fitness professional can grow to the point where they earn 5 times that much.

This is not pie in the sky bullshit - this is my reality and the reality of alot of other trainers I know - you just need some better role-models -

I've talked to and profiled some of the biggest names in this business on my Personal Trainer's blog:
http://super-trainer.com/
Read and listen to some of their stories if you want to know what's possible -

And funny you mentioned Vegas - I'm headed out there next week -
I'll be talking to top-trainer Dan Eiden while I'm out there - I'm going to record our convo and put in on my blog -

We'll hear his story about what training in Vegas is like -

ps - how was that for a first post?
 
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