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The Dangers Of Steroid Use with an elevated body fat: A new video by Dylan Gemelli

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you totally obliterate anyone who has a counter arguement from 7 minutes on.

I've been preaching this on here for years and people don't want to listen to it and then end up either quitting or get injured.
 
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thanks guys... i am really hoping more guys take the time to watch this video and really understand why this is preached on here so often...
 
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I just wish people would listen to well-informed, well done videos like this but unfortunately people are going to do what they're going to do.

Great vid.
 
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Excellent video very informative...

What do you think the perfect BF% to start a Cylce...

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Nicely put together! It's just sad that even after watching/preaching this people are still going to make this mistake. It's literally burned into everyone's heads that steroids make you look like the guys on stage and on the covers of magazines. I've known a lot of guys with high amounts of bodyfat that will try EVERYTHING to get the fat down, as long as they don't have to do any kind of work for it. People are just so damn ignorant when it comes to hard work, they all look for a shortcut.
 
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LiftLearnLove said:
Excellent video very informative...

What do you think the perfect BF% to start a Cylce...

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just cause your body fat is low doesn't mean you are ready to run steroids either. i see a lot of skinny 6% body fat guys at my gym or at road races who barely have any muscle on their frames.

generally 5-13% body fat with a solid base of mass on your frame is a good point to consider steroids. I would say a solid 5 years of weight training consistently is a bare minimum. to put that in perspective I trained for about 16 years and i would say 12 of those years i was training religiously. i also was around 7% body fat when i ran my first cycle which left me a lot of room to bulk up ..

if you start a cycle with lets say 20% body fat then you are in the danger zone of being unable to focus on building mass .. so even a cycle where you were to lose 2% body fat and gain some mass which would be a tremendous cycle and very successful you still would be 18% body fat and honestly you wouldn't look good. so it would be a waste of a cycle.
 
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It's a great video, would love to see more guys cutting bodyfat before running cycles.
 
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there are a lot of determining factors on when your ready to run a cycle but if we are looking at an ideal body fat for someone who is ready to cycle then my recommendation would be to be around 12%... You need to have demonstrated consistency in diet and training and be in good condition to really get the max benefits...
 
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Consistency is definitely the key. It's hard work but if you're not putting in hard work before using steroids, you're cheating yourself and looking for trouble. If you need help meeting your goals before steroid use, I'd suggest a sarms cycle with a strict diet. Nothing more. You could safely lose bodyfat an hold on to muscle this way.
 
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So what's up with powerlifter using them. Most of them are high body fat %. I'm a newb, just wondering and learning

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raytripp86 said:
So what's up with powerlifter using them. Most of them are high body fat %. I'm a newb, just wondering and learning

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powerlifters ARE NOT ALL high body fat at all.. I am a former competitive powerlifter and had to make weight which meant my body fat was extremely low.. i'm talking 5 or 6% during season. we would run daily. if you are even a pound too heavy you would get scratched or be forced into the higher weight class which meant you were in deep shit.

what you are thinking about is just some fat fart who just throws around heavy weight like a gorilla in the gym. thats a totally different discussion. OR it could be a powerlifter in the heavyweight division OR it could be a strongman who isn't subject to weight requirements.
 
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stevesmi said:
what you are thinking about is just some fat fart who just throws around heavy weight like a gorilla in the gym. thats a totally different discussion. OR it could be a powerlifter in the heavyweight division OR it could be a strongman who isn't subject to weight requirements.
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OK maybe this than

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raytripp86 said:
OK maybe this than

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well I know a guy like that who is a good friend at my gym.. he is about 5 9ish.. weighs 240.. has a big gut. he benches 480 and is 50 years old. his knees, elbows are falling apart.. he has diabetes, he has heart problems, he says he sleeps about 3 hours a night and takes anti-inflamms before working out.. he says he has anxiety and yes he juices. if that is what you want then juice at a high body fat.

i'm not a fan at all of that lifestyle, you should never have to wrap yourself up and take drugs before your workouts just to put up a few reps heavy. thats how you cripple yourself and spend the rest of your life in pain
 
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stevesmi said:
well I know a guy like that who is a good friend at my gym.. he is about 5 9ish.. weighs 240.. has a big gut. he benches 480 and is 50 years old. his knees, elbows are falling apart.. he has diabetes, he has heart problems, he says he sleeps about 3 hours a night and takes anti-inflamms before working out.. he says he has anxiety and yes he juices. if that is what you want then juice at a high body fat.

i'm not a fan at all of that lifestyle, you should never have to wrap yourself up and take drugs before your workouts just to put up a few reps heavy. thats how you cripple yourself and spend the rest of your life in pain
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exactly... if your not actually competing for something, i will never understand why anyone takes this route... it just leaves you a mess as you age and is such a detriment to your long term health... it just makes no sense to me...
 
Re: The Dangers Of Steroid Use with an elevated body fat: A new video by Dylan Gemell

A little history...
The old timers never thought of doing steroids with high bf. But back in the late 90's Bill Roberts started getting some attention as a protege' of Dan Duchaine and he started talking about using steroid cycles to lose fat. I adamantly disagreed.

Fast forward a few years, the internet blew up and message board gurus latched onto this concept. And that's where it's remained to this day.

So, props to Dylan for reminding everyone that these are growth drugs and you need to get into shape before using drugs to get that extra edge. It's like getting a professional Simonize treatment for a car that's dirty and rusty. It's a waste. First things first.
 
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Nelson Montana said:
A little history...
The old timers never thought of doing steroids with high bf. But back in the late 90's Bill Roberts started getting some attention as a protege' of Dan Duchaine and he started talking about using steroid cycles to lose fat. I adamantly disagreed.

Fast forward a few years, the internet blew up and message board gurus latched onto this concept. And that's where it's remained to this day.

So, props to Dylan for reminding everyone that these are growth drugs and you need to get into shape before using drugs to get that extra edge. It's like getting a professional Simonize treatment for a car that's dirty and rusty. It's a waste. First things first.
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Most guys don't control their ego and when you add roids to guys like that, the end result is a disaster.
I will never understand that if you are not a pro why would you want a body that is not even atractive to women.
I would suggest to start by controling the ego and the mind before even touching protein shakes.
 
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Lou Super Man 123 said:
Most guys don't control their ego and when you add roids to guys like that, the end result is a disaster.
I will never understand that if you are not a pro why would you want a body that is not even atractive to women.
I would suggest to start by controling the ego and the mind before even touching protein shakes.
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Not all women find bodybuilders disgusting. And not everyone gets into bodybuilding for women..

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Nelson Montana said:
A little history...
The old timers never thought of doing steroids with high bf. But back in the late 90's Bill Roberts started getting some attention as a protege' of Dan Duchaine and he started talking about using steroid cycles to lose fat. I adamantly disagreed.

Fast forward a few years, the internet blew up and message board gurus latched onto this concept. And that's where it's remained to this day.

So, props to Dylan for reminding everyone that these are growth drugs and you need to get into shape before using drugs to get that extra edge. It's like getting a professional Simonize treatment for a car that's dirty and rusty. It's a waste. First things first.
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thanks bro... i appreciate that and i completely agree with you... how frustrating is it over and over to see everyone thinking steroids are some sort of magic fat burner? steroids don't put you into shape... YOU put yourself into shape... they get you over the hurdles that you take years to get to... that's why they get such a bad name because people hurt themselves by doing things they either should not be doing or don't know how to do... I just hope people listen and understand to these concepts and do things right...
 
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Cipp21 said:
Nicely put together! It's just sad that even after watching/preaching this people are still going to make this mistake. It's literally burned into everyone's heads that steroids make you look like the guys on stage and on the covers of magazines. I've known a lot of guys with high amounts of bodyfat that will try EVERYTHING to get the fat down, as long as they don't have to do any kind of work for it. People are just so damn ignorant when it comes to hard work, they all look for a shortcut.
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I blame the way that steroids are treated by society these days. All these scare videos that they show you in high school displaying the adverse effects of AAS make it sounds like the second you put a pin in your ass you're going to look like Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler. Even though that's clearly not their goal, intrinsically it perpetuates that idea. Kids that age watching those videos seeing all of the freakishly large and ripped guys on stage who have no background knowledge on the subject see those types of videos and think that the only thing standing between them and those guys is juice, when really there is likely a huge genetic gap and years of training and dieting harder than they could imagine. Why do you think we get these 130lb guys coming on here thinking that they need to use AAS? Its because AAS has been perpetuated in the media as a "shortcut" that people use to get ripped, when in reality it should be seen as a way to grow once you've reached your natural potential.

It infuriates me so much that I cant even talk about it correctly lol
 
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Very nice pal
 
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damn good work, D!!!
 
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this may need to be made a sticky... what do you think?
 
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I think most people fall for the more muscle the more calories you burn. I did too until I read a lot of these forums. I mean its half right but most people don't research before they take shit anyways

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you can cram all the knowledge you want down someones throat but their going to do what they want regardless.
 
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That is an EXCELLENT video, and it's done in plain English and with an attitude that is open and fair, and not annoying to listen to. This is unlike so many other things written or spoken in medical terms, and in a fatherly, scolding attitude which makes many of us want to go against the advice just because we're annoyed with the source.

There is a fact of life which applies here, as well as just about everywhere else in life: There is no free lunch, and there is no get rich overnight plan that works, and there is no way to get fit and have a body to brag about without years of hard work and discipline, and EDUCATION in how the body works. And when you add Gear, you MUST be ready, and you MUST know your numbers!!!!

Charles
 
Re: The Dangers Of Steroid Use with an elevated body fat: A new video by Dylan Gemell

Thanks for posting this. I have been researching cycles so much, but never really found the high bf/cycle info. Looks like I will be cutting another 10% bf before I start thinking about this again, researching all the way. Thanks for posting this. Very informative.
 
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dylangemelli said:
thanks bro... i appreciate that and i completely agree with you... how frustrating is it over and over to see everyone thinking steroids are some sort of magic fat burner? steroids don't put you into shape... YOU put yourself into shape... they get you over the hurdles that you take years to get to... that's why they get such a bad name because people hurt themselves by doing things they either should not be doing or don't know how to do... I just hope people listen and understand to these concepts and do things right...
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Agree 100% Dylan. Thanks again for all the useful info you contribute, bro.
 
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Great Video - Enjoyed it!
 
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I had to pause the video and get all of blood test reports together and after reading the latest two reports, I'm proud to say, "Warp Factor 7, Mr. Chekov" "Aye Captain".
 
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I am 3/4 thru my first cycle....im 34 and have been training for 18 years....took three years off (had three boys) gained a fair amount of weight...12 months ago i started training again focusing in diet and cardio fitness/HIIT...my best stats before this break was 262 lbs 9% bf (6' tall)...when istarted back up i was up to 300lbs about 22% bf....it took me 8 months to regain strength and got my mile time down to 8:30 but still weighed in at 294 17% bf.

I have never ran t before however i decided to give it a go...blood pressure, sugar and cholesterol all in good health...i have been runnin 500mg tst enanthate and 300 mg tren ace for last 12 weeks...blood work still in check...i have been doing two a days in gym...morning workouts are HIIT with moderate weight high rep for elevated heart rate and vo2 max training...evening is HIIT cardio and then 20 minutes at 60% mrh.... My mile is down to 7:20, i have went from 12 pull ups to 18, legs are showing vascularity in quads as never before...i have dropped 18lbs and 2" on waist...i feel great...

I guess in ways i fit the profile for someone who shouldnt be running...while steroids are not directly helping me burn fat i can tell you the amount of workload i can perform now, is....and i am burning fat pretty efficiently...
 
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The recovery is allowing additional workload and mire calories nurned thru week..
 
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Nickel said:
I am 3/4 thru my first cycle....im 34 and have been training for 18 years....took three years off (had three boys) gained a fair amount of weight...12 months ago i started training again focusing in diet and cardio fitness/HIIT...my best stats before this break was 262 lbs 9% bf (6' tall)...when istarted back up i was up to 300lbs about 22% bf....it took me 8 months to regain strength and got my mile time down to 8:30 but still weighed in at 294 17% bf.

I have never ran t before however i decided to give it a go...blood pressure, sugar and cholesterol all in good health...i have been runnin 500mg tst enanthate and 300 mg tren ace for last 12 weeks...blood work still in check...i have been doing two a days in gym...morning workouts are HIIT with moderate weight high rep for elevated heart rate and vo2 max training...evening is HIIT cardio and then 20 minutes at 60% mrh.... My mile is down to 7:20, i have went from 12 pull ups to 18, legs are showing vascularity in quads as never before...i have dropped 18lbs and 2" on waist...i feel great...

I guess in ways i fit the profile for someone who shouldnt be running...while steroids are not directly helping me burn fat i can tell you the amount of workload i can perform now, is....and i am burning fat pretty efficiently...
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The point of this whole thread/video combo that Dylan put together isn't to say that you won't burn fat running steroids, its to point out the *REAL* purpose for which steroids should be used if they are to be used safely.

Your 17% body fat isn't extremely high, but when you get people over 20% running cycles, they run extremely high risk of getting bad, irreversible estrogen side effects and hormone damage.

Besides the damage to themselves, it creates a bad image for the steroid culture in general. Steroids are meant to be used as a means ELITE ATHLETES to break through plateaus that would otherwise be impassable by natural means. They are NOT meant to be a shortcut for people who don't want to put time and effort into becoming an elite athlete. More importantly, they really cannot be used safely in the latter manner; if you're a skinny guy trying to put on muscle before being at your natural limit, you're going to injure yourself because your frame can't handle it, if youre a fat guy trying to lean out, you're going to have serious side effects and probably hurt yourself as well. That's the point.

One of the other overlooked nuances regarding this subject is the unnecessary nature of juicing to lose fat. Look at what you said you've been doing for training - moderate weight, all HIIT and cardio. With a little bit of research you could have saved yourself a lot of time, money, and who knows what else by just ordering a few bottles of solid GW. I guarantee with the training regiment that you're on, you would have seen very comparable results without having to run any gear.

Besides any of this I'm wondering how on earth youre able to do all of that HIIT and cardio while on Tren........
 
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99fenix said:
Thanks for posting this. I have been researching cycles so much, but never really found the high bf/cycle info. Looks like I will be cutting another 10% bf before I start thinking about this again, researching all the way. Thanks for posting this. Very informative.
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Try getting on some GW - GW was developed as a potential treatment for obesity and is therefore perfectly tailored for people with high levels of body fat to have amplified results from working out.

SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators has the best GW around
 
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Thing is, not everyone who uses is a bodybuilder. I did my cycle at 14% and for me, my goals, my age, and my frame thats a decent number. At 12% I get comments at the gym about how ripped I look but outside of the gym I get comments on how gaunt and skinny I look. Personally I prefer to carry a bit more fat than that. It has nothing to do with discipline - I had < 10% bf consistently for a couple of years to prove to myself that I could do it. At 15-16% I get a lot of female attention and respect from men (and some who posture around me, lol - love that).

I don't do this to please other people but its interesting to hear what people think of you. Lots of time it doesn't match up to what we think of ourselves.
 
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MaxxReps said:
Thing is, not everyone who uses is a bodybuilder. I did my cycle at 14% and for me, my goals, my age, and my frame thats a decent number. At 12% I get comments at the gym about how ripped I look but outside of the gym I get comments on how gaunt and skinny I look. Personally I prefer to carry a bit more fat than that. It has nothing to do with discipline - I had < 10% bf consistently for a couple of years to prove to myself that I could do it. At 15-16% I get a lot of female attention and respect from men (and some who posture around me, lol - love that).

I don't do this to please other people but its interesting to hear what people think of you. Lots of time it doesn't match up to what we think of ourselves.
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Yea but none of those are "high" body fat percentages bro. I'm talking about these 20% plus people who are unhealthily fat that are trying to cheat hard work by using AAS. It not only doesn't work but it creates a bad rap for the steroid culture.

I don't think anyone here would say that you have to be under 10% to cycle, that's ludicrous. Its not really even about the number, its about what the number indicates: someone with a body fat percentage above 16% or so can be almost certainly said to have something wrong with either their exercise routine or their diet - both of which are going to be seriously detrimental to gaining anything on a steroid cycle. You see what I'm saying? Its not all just about how much fat you have, it has to do with your habits too - a person with 20%+ body fat is not in good shape and does not have a good diet which mean that steroids will not be useful for them.
 
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liffalot said:
Yea but none of those are "high" body fat percentages bro. I'm talking about these 20% plus people who are unhealthily fat that are trying to cheat hard work by using AAS. It not only doesn't work but it creates a bad rap for the steroid culture.

I don't think anyone here would say that you have to be under 10% to cycle, that's ludicrous. Its not really even about the number, its about what the number indicates: someone with a body fat percentage above 16% or so can be almost certainly said to have something wrong with either their exercise routine or their diet - both of which are going to be seriously detrimental to gaining anything on a steroid cycle. You see what I'm saying? Its not all just about how much fat you have, it has to do with your habits too - a person with 20%+ body fat is not in good shape and does not have a good diet which mean that steroids will not be useful for them.
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I agree totally with this. Dont have to be sub 10% before steroids to do a cycle but they should definitely be below 20%. Below 15% is ideal IMO

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Why does it have to be below 20%?


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Why does it have to be below 20%?


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Because if you are 20% or more you are too fat. You need to get your diet straightened out dirst and learn how to train. Everyone who is even thinking about touching AAS should be watching this video

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Why does it have to be below 20%?


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To me it shows a level of commitment and dedication that you're not just a weekend warrior but someone who takes training and diet seriously.

If joe blogs who never steps foot in a gym can be 18-20% bf then someone who is serious about being fit should be well under that..

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bonacris said:
If joe blogs who never steps foot in a gym can be 18-20% bf then someone who is serious about being fit should be well under that..
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This

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Thank you for posting this, this thread just saved me from making a huge mistake. Time to refocus on getting healthy instead of the numbers i'm putting up in the gym.
 
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pacifikfuzion said:
Thank you for posting this, this thread just saved me from making a huge mistake. Time to refocus on getting healthy instead of the numbers i'm putting up in the gym.
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I'm happy to help... Sarms are an excellent way to get your body fat down while still building lean muscle...


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pacifikfuzion said:
Thank you for posting this, this thread just saved me from making a huge mistake. Time to refocus on getting healthy instead of the numbers i'm putting up in the gym.
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Glad to hear this helped someone out!

Like Dylan said, Sarms are a great way to start into the research chemicals world, and supplements before that.

I get all my supps from Bodybuilding, Need to Build Muscle, Muscle Bodybuilding and all my SARMs from SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators - best sites on the market.
 
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